Bernie Can't Win

[Derec]

When a large percentage of those crimes consist of using and selling drugs, then yes.

What percentage is that? Also, dealing is quite different than merely using. Often dealers are violent. And as we can see from this and other police shooting cases, people with extensive criminal background are often not "warehoused". It is more reminiscent of a revolving door, where they are sent out after relatively short stints in jail.

 

[arkirk]

Yeah, a lot of blacks are being warehoused. Pretty pathetic.

Warehoused?

By the way, how many of these prisoners do you think are actually innocent? Is it somehow wrong to imprison people guilty of actual crimes?

Your criticism is shallow and utterly without any understanding of the fact that '''crimes" can be created to facilitate the jailing of a group the political and investment class would like to see warehoused. You are always wound up with condemnation for poor people...er poor blacks for example. Your question about innocence is a joke when the crime they are guilty of is being black.

 

[untermensche]

What exactly is ghetto in modern American parlance......

A ghetto is a place of low opportunity and therefore high crime.

It is a place of substandard schools and police harassment.

It is the feeding ground for the prison industrial complex.

The US has more people per capita in prison than any other industrial nation.

It is the prison nation.

And a nation littered with ghettos.

 

[untermensche]

Bernie wins in Michigan.

 

[angelo]

Bernie has some catching up to do according to that graph above.

 

[untermensche]

Bernie has some catching up to do according to that graph above.

You see the glass as half empty.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Bernie has some catching up to do according to that graph above.

You see the glass as half empty.

The problem is that Florida has a lot of older more mature voters who understand that most of Bernie's ideas are completely based in fairy land! They aren't going to fall that we can pay for college for everyone by simply taxing wall street transactions!

 

[untermensche]

You see the glass as half empty.

The problem is that Florida has a lot of older more mature voters who understand that most of Bernie's ideas are completely based in fairy land! They aren't going to fall that we can pay for college for everyone by simply taxing wall street transactions!

If you want to call Germany and many other nations, like Mexico, "fairyland" then you are right.

 

[bigfield]

You see the glass as half empty.

The problem is that Florida has a lot of older more mature voters who understand that most of Bernie's ideas are completely based in fairy land! They aren't going to fall that we can pay for college for everyone by simply taxing wall street transactions!

Where was their wizened economic skepticism in past elections?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

At this point in time, I agree with the op title (not necessarily reasons why). Hillary will take most of New York and somewhere around half (possibly even a little less) in other states. Those delegates for Bernie aren't high enough in count to get past that or the superdelegate barrier. I said Hillary would win before but now it is a much more certain thing.

 

[angelo]

You see the glass as half empty.

The problem is that Florida has a lot of older more mature voters who understand that most of Bernie's ideas are completely based in fairy land! They aren't going to fall that we can pay for college for everyone by simply taxing wall street transactions!

Do you think they know there's no such thing as a free lunch?

 

[Derec]

Do you think they know there's no such thing as a free lunch?

There may not be a free lunch but there is an early bird special for dinner.

 

[Derec]

Your criticism is shallow and utterly without any understanding of the fact that '''crimes" can be created to facilitate the jailing of a group the political and investment class would like to see warehoused.

What the hell are you talking about? Definitions of crimes have to be passed as laws by their respective legislatures. Do I agree with all these crimes? No, but most crimes are criminalized for a good reason. If you rob somebody, if you attack somebody, if you kill somebody, you should go to jail or prison.

You are always wound up with condemnation for poor people...er poor blacks for example.

For many poor people that poverty is a result of their own choices. Not finishing school. Having children at an early age and out of wedlock. Choosing the quick and easy money by engaging in criminal activity (and then getting caught). And let's talk about conspicuous consumption. This article is from Alternet, a far left wing website, so they have a predictable slant, but even they admit to it being a self-inflicted wound.

Consequently, a poor black single mother in a ghetto underclass community may see it as a perfectly “rational” behavior to spend hundreds of dollars on a toddler’s sneakers and jeans.
Alternatively, a middle aged black working class man may judge it “rational” to spend 600 dollars a month to lease a luxury car--even when he does not own his own home.

Both of these things are stupid and are contributing to long term financial problems.

Your question about innocence is a joke when the crime they are guilty of is being black.

There is no state that has that crime on the books. People are convicted of other crimes. Now,do I agree with all of them? No. Laws against sex work are idiotic moralizing. The war on drugs is a failure. That doesn't mean I think selling crack is ok. Or more serious crimes like robbery, assault and battery, homicide. Blacks are, according to FBI, more than 5 times as likely to commit homicide than whites. Most of their victims are black as well, something #BLM ignores. And contrary to the picture painted by media, when it comes to interracial homicides, there are twice as many black on white murders than white on black.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The problem is that Florida has a lot of older more mature voters who understand that most of Bernie's ideas are completely based in fairy land! They aren't going to fall that we can pay for college for everyone by simply taxing wall street transactions!

Do you think they know there's no such thing as a free lunch?

Most people graduating college right now are pretty clear on that concept. You can't have tens of thousands in loan debts and think that shit is free. I wonder if Aussies know how to read.

 

[Derec]

A ghetto is a place of low opportunity and therefore high crime.

You know that saying, "you are not stuck in traffic, you are traffic"? The high crime in the ghetto is mostly done by its denizens.

It is a place of substandard schools and police harassment.

Police harassment or simply increased policing because of high crime rates?
And as far as schools, misbehaving students, many gang members already, do not make for a productive school environment. So are substandard schools the fault of these students (and their parents) or is it the fault of overworked and overwhelmed teachers or simply, as anything else in these racial discussion, the fault of "whitey".

It is the feeding ground for the prison industrial complex.

It's a choice whether or not to sell crack for example.

The US has more people per capita in prison than any other industrial nation.

True, but that is only partly due to things being criminalized that shouldn't be. It is also the fault of many people choosing to engage in serious criminal activity. And that will not change as long as some blacks continue blaming whites for all their problems. And #BLM is a perfect example of that self-defeating attitude.

 

[angelo]

Instead of blaming the " whites" or anyone else for their problems, why not first look at themselves! Is this what's called the " black privileged?"

 

[Deepak]

Clinton and Sanders aren't all that much different on 90% of their policies and they haven't been harsh towards each other. He's done well enough to guarantee him the VP slot or a major role in her Cabinet. They'll be totally united after the convention and he'll be playing a major role in her campaign in order to get her supporters out and voting and a good number of them will do so.

I agree, but it's not my question. My question is whether the die hard Bernie supporters will rally to Clinton if he asks them to. The discussion here, and in many other internet boards and articles, is that Hillary can't win because she doesn't motivate the base. Many Bernie supporters swear they will not vote for her due to her conservatism, and they just don't like her. They will not abandon the cause to vote for Hillary. They will stay home. I'm not totally convinced regardless. Butt there is an interesting dynamic here that makes this election different from the 2000 election. Gore lost the presidency because Nader siphoned enough votes away in Florida (at least to put it in contention). Maybe a lot of those would've stayed home on Election Day without Nader in the race, but what if he had actively supported Gore instead? That may be the situation we find ourselves in this election cycle. Bernie will likely urge voters for Clinton. But will they listen to him? Especially those who claim they will never vote for Clinton? I'd like to hear from those rabid die hard Sanders fans on that issue.

SLD

John Hagelin and Monica Moorehead cost Gore the election.

Or perhaps it was Gore himself, and his inability to actually appeal to the base (in DNC terms dirty-fucking-hippies).

 

[untermensche]

Bernie points to Germany and says of the US; "Why them and not us?"

"Why are we richer overall yet poorer in so many ways?"

And why do the people who refuse to look at places like Germany and ask why not the US do nothing but put up strawmen about utopias and a free lunch?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Instead of blaming the " whites" or anyone else for their problems, why not first look at themselves! Is this what's called the " black privileged?"

For a person who lives so far away from the country you are talking about, you seem to have a proportional understanding of said nation.

 

[SimpleDon]

You see the glass as half empty.

The problem is that Florida has a lot of older more mature voters who understand that most of Bernie's ideas are completely based in fairy land! They aren't going to fall that we can pay for college for everyone by simply taxing wall street transactions!

There is a lot of talk in the economics blogs about a punished study of Sanders' economic proposals by an economist named Friedman. He found out, much to his surprise, that Sander's projections are not that unrealistic. That the growth projected by Sanders of over 5% requires a multiplier of 1.25, a reasonable number.

It is because of a pendulum effect, we have been running the economy to the supply side for so long that even a small push back to the demand side will result in high growth. We saw this effect in the early days of supply side economics with the high growth numbers in the 1980's under Reagan and also from the push back to the demand side in the 1990's after the Bush I and Clinton tax increases.

I don't know how much can be raised from a transaction tax. Even a one basis point, 0.01%, per transaction would raise maybe 20 billion dollars a year. The unknown is to what degree the tax would reduce the number of transactions, specifically program trading by computers.

But this is the richest country in the world. If we have the political will to provide free tuition to public college it is certainly possible economically. Based on our experience here with the lottery funded Hope scholarship, providing free college for any resident with a "B" average or better, it is probably the single biggest impact thing that you could do to boost the economy.

Friedman was trashed by Paul Krugman and some other mainstream economists for the conclusions that Friedman drew. And they trashed Sanders for running with Friedman's work in his economic proposals.

The problem is that Krugman and the others didn't point out any errors in Friedman's work. They didn't accuse him of using inflated multipliers, they were all actually quite conservative. They didn't accuse him of gaming the analysis like the Republicans do with their asymmetrical "dynamic scoring." They didn't find errors with Friedman's data that he input. They simply reacted to Friedman's conclusions as being unrealistic and that somehow Friedman was gaming the study to make Sanders look good.

This is leads us to another problem. Friedman Is an economics adviser to Clinton! Apparently he undertook the study to prove that Sanders' economic projections were as much in faerie land as the Republicans' projections are.