Berkeley "liberals" contra free speech

[untermensche]

Yvette Felarca, a radical leftist schoolteacher from Berkeley, admits that she was among those who caused violence at Berkeley to shut down speech they don't like.

To me it looked like she got the best of that one.

Carlson just puts on a stupid grin every time he's bested.

Ultimately I don't agree with her but in the US white "fascists" white homophobic, Islamophobic, xenophobic fascists are a far bigger problem than her.

She at least is honest.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Yvette Felarca, a radical leftist schoolteacher from Berkeley, admits that she was among those who caused violence at Berkeley to shut down speech they don't like.

To me it looked like she got the best of that one.

Carlson just puts on a stupid grin every time he's bested.

Ultimately I don't agree with her but in the US white "fascists" white homophobic, Islamophobic, xenophobic fascists are a far bigger problem than her.

She at least is honest.

She's not honest. She was using violence to shutdown an opposing view from a homosexual on the right wing of politics who has no record of inciting violence.

The left used to support free speech just as feminism used to campaign for equality of the sexes (equal rights and opportunities etc). She is the flip side of fascists and it seems what she has resisted she has become.

 

[untermensche]

She's not honest. She was using violence to shutdown an opposing view from a homosexual on the right wing of politics who has no record of inciting violence.

The left used to support free speech just as feminism used to campaign for equality of the sexes (equal rights and opportunities etc). She is the flip side of fascists and it seems what she has resisted she has become.

Don't make me puke with your ignorant "the left used to".

This one person is not the left.

And this is not as white and black as you want to make it.

The question is: What should a society do to prevent fascists from organizing and causing harm to many?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

The question is: What should a society do to prevent fascists from organizing and causing harm to many?

They should counter their ideas with alternative ideas and not do anything to prevent them from anything until they actually start causing harm.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

To me it looked like she got the best of that one.

Carlson just puts on a stupid grin every time he's bested.

Ultimately I don't agree with her but in the US white "fascists" white homophobic, Islamophobic, xenophobic fascists are a far bigger problem than her.

She at least is honest.

She's not honest. She was using violence to shutdown an opposing view from a homosexual on the right wing of politics who has no record of inciting violence.

I would put targeted harassment of individuals because of their opinions in the violence category. Psychological abuse is still abuse.

The left used to support free speech just as feminism used to campaign for equality of the sexes (equal rights and opportunities etc). She is the flip side of fascists and it seems what she has resisted she has become.

So if you see injustice, would you just let it happen?

Let me know when women have equal rights by the way.

 

[untermensche]

The question is: What should a society do to prevent fascists from organizing and causing harm to many?

They should counter their ideas with alternative ideas and not do anything to prevent them from anything until they actually start causing harm.

They are causing harm already.

White petty fascists are harming people everyday.

The question is: What do you do to keep the problem from getting worse?

Pretend it isn't happening?

Pretend much smaller problems are what really need addressing?

 

[laughing dog]

What exactly qualifies this woman as a "radical leftist" or a "fascist"?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

What exactly qualifies this woman as a "radical leftist" or a "fascist"?

She has a vagina and speaks her mind.

 

[whichphilosophy]

She's not honest. She was using violence to shutdown an opposing view from a homosexual on the right wing of politics who has no record of inciting violence.

The left used to support free speech just as feminism used to campaign for equality of the sexes (equal rights and opportunities etc). She is the flip side of fascists and it seems what she has resisted she has become.

Don't make me puke with your ignorant "the left used to".

This one person is not the left.

And this is not as white and black as you want to make it.

The question is: What should a society do to prevent fascists from organising and causing harm to many?

The question should be directed to dealing with fascists. If there is actual organising attacks to cause harm and causing harm that's also for law enforcement. Expressing an unacceptable view that does not incite violence etc is not in itself a crime.

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What exactly qualifies this woman as a "radical leftist" or a "fascist"?

I would qualify here as a lunatic.

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What exactly qualifies this woman as a "radical leftist" or a "fascist"?

She has a vagina and speaks her mind.

That could apply to both. I suppose you could say that someone ranting and hitting someone is speaking their mind. I mean is direct after all.

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She's not honest. She was using violence to shutdown an opposing view from a homosexual on the right wing of politics who has no record of inciting violence.

I would put targeted harassment of individuals because of their opinions in the violence category. Psychological abuse is still abuse.

The left used to support free speech just as feminism used to campaign for equality of the sexes (equal rights and opportunities etc). She is the flip side of fascists and it seems what she has resisted she has become.

So if you see injustice, would you just let it happen?

Let me know when women have equal rights by the way.

The clip showed the women and then followed by some men attacking someone.
I mentioned feminism used to be about equality. Women have more equal rights nowadays. Enforcing them in the courts is sometimes necessary.

She represents a group who organise violent attacks to shut down free speech. She said that very clearly. and demonstrated her violent character. Her group openly used violence as an agenda. Seems more like she is a fascist who has a problem with US democracy and free speech.

 

[untermensche]

Don't make me puke with your ignorant "the left used to".

This one person is not the left.

And this is not as white and black as you want to make it.

The question is: What should a society do to prevent fascists from organising and causing harm to many?

The question should be directed to dealing with fascists. If there is actual organising attacks to cause harm and causing harm that's also for law enforcement. Expressing an unacceptable view that does not incite violence etc is not in itself a crime.

Should fascists be allowed to freely recruit?

 

[whichphilosophy]

The question should be directed to dealing with fascists. If there is actual organising attacks to cause harm and causing harm that's also for law enforcement. Expressing an unacceptable view that does not incite violence etc is not in itself a crime.

Should fascists be allowed to freely recruit?

We are in a free society so they are allowed to. I don't see that as the issue. since in a democracy we must listen to views we don't agree with.
The issue is if they use violence. If the organisation is totally violent like ISIS then they should be banned. An unstable woman attacking protesters is not a very good advert for anti fascim

 

[untermensche]

Should fascists be allowed to freely recruit?

We are in a free society so they are allowed to. I don't see that as the issue. since in a democracy we must listen to views we don't agree with.
The issue is if they use violence. If the organisation is totally violent like ISIS then they should be banned. An unstable woman attacking protesters is not a very good advert for anti fascim

That women represents herself and the very few, probably handful, who are with her.

We learn nothing from history if we let white supremacists openly recruit and spread their ignorance.

Strafgesetzbuch section 86a

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

 

[LordKiran]

We are in a free society so they are allowed to. I don't see that as the issue. since in a democracy we must listen to views we don't agree with.
The issue is if they use violence. If the organisation is totally violent like ISIS then they should be banned. An unstable woman attacking protesters is not a very good advert for anti fascim

That women represents herself and the very few, probably handful, who are with her.

We learn nothing from history if we let white supremacists openly recruit and spread their ignorance.

Strafgesetzbuch section 86a

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

It's not really freedom if you aren't allowed to make your own decisions. At that point it's just a state allowance. I do think Milo is a problem who should be treated like the non-credible internet agitator he is, but the real problem is that we let people mislead each other, not that we let people come to their own conclusions and act on them.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Don't make me puke with your ignorant "the left used to".

This one person is not the left.

And this is not as white and black as you want to make it.

The question is: What should a society do to prevent fascists from organising and causing harm to many?

The question should be directed to dealing with fascists. If there is actual organising attacks to cause harm and causing harm that's also for law enforcement. Expressing an unacceptable view that does not incite violence etc is not in itself a crime.

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What exactly qualifies this woman as a "radical leftist" or a "fascist"?

I would qualify here as a lunatic.

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What exactly qualifies this woman as a "radical leftist" or a "fascist"?

She has a vagina and speaks her mind.

That could apply to both. I suppose you could say that someone ranting and hitting someone is speaking their mind. I mean is direct after all.

- - - Updated - - -

She's not honest. She was using violence to shutdown an opposing view from a homosexual on the right wing of politics who has no record of inciting violence.

I would put targeted harassment of individuals because of their opinions in the violence category. Psychological abuse is still abuse.

The left used to support free speech just as feminism used to campaign for equality of the sexes (equal rights and opportunities etc). She is the flip side of fascists and it seems what she has resisted she has become.

So if you see injustice, would you just let it happen?

Let me know when women have equal rights by the way.

The clip showed the women and then followed by some men attacking someone.
I mentioned feminism used to be about equality. Women have more equal rights nowadays. Enforcing them in the courts is sometimes necessary.

She represents a group who organise violent attacks to shut down free speech. She said that very clearly. and demonstrated her violent character.

If she said it very clearly then how could she be lying?

 

[untermensche]

That women represents herself and the very few, probably handful, who are with her.

We learn nothing from history if we let white supremacists openly recruit and spread their ignorance.

Strafgesetzbuch section 86a

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

It's not really freedom if you aren't allowed to make your own decisions. At that point it's just a state allowance. I do think Milo is a problem who should be treated like the non-credible internet agitator he is, but the real problem is that we let people mislead each other, not that we let people come to their own conclusions and act on them.

If it were me I would invite people like that to take place in debates where their ideas can be confronted.

But if they want a platform to spread intolerance unopposed I would not give them one.

 

[whichphilosophy]

That women represents herself and the very few, probably handful, who are with her.

We learn nothing from history if we let white supremacists openly recruit and spread their ignorance.

Strafgesetzbuch section 86a

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

It's not really freedom if you aren't allowed to make your own decisions. At that point it's just a state allowance. I do think Milo is a problem who should be treated like the non-credible internet agitator he is, but the real problem is that we let people mislead each other, not that we let people come to their own conclusions and act on them.

If it were me I would invite people like that to take place in debates where their ideas can be confronted.

But if they want a platform to spread intolerance unopposed I would not give them one.

The problem is these people do not wish to confront alternative ideas. If there is evidence of incitement then of course legal action could be taken.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The question should be directed to dealing with fascists. If there is actual organising attacks to cause harm and causing harm that's also for law enforcement. Expressing an unacceptable view that does not incite violence etc is not in itself a crime.

- - - Updated - - -

What exactly qualifies this woman as a "radical leftist" or a "fascist"?

I would qualify here as a lunatic.

- - - Updated - - -

What exactly qualifies this woman as a "radical leftist" or a "fascist"?

She has a vagina and speaks her mind.

That could apply to both. I suppose you could say that someone ranting and hitting someone is speaking their mind. I mean is direct after all.

- - - Updated - - -

She's not honest. She was using violence to shutdown an opposing view from a homosexual on the right wing of politics who has no record of inciting violence.

I would put targeted harassment of individuals because of their opinions in the violence category. Psychological abuse is still abuse.

The left used to support free speech just as feminism used to campaign for equality of the sexes (equal rights and opportunities etc). She is the flip side of fascists and it seems what she has resisted she has become.

So if you see injustice, would you just let it happen?

Let me know when women have equal rights by the way.

The clip showed the women and then followed by some men attacking someone.
I mentioned feminism used to be about equality. Women have more equal rights nowadays. Enforcing them in the courts is sometimes necessary.

She represents a group who organise violent attacks to shut down free speech. She said that very clearly. and demonstrated her violent character.

If she said it very clearly then how could she be lying?

She claims the person is amongst other things homophobic when he is homosexual and racist when he has not said anything against any race. (He also states he has many black boyfriends ).

 

[J842P]

She's not honest. She was using violence to shutdown an opposing view from a homosexual on the right wing of politics who has no record of inciting violence.

The left used to support free speech just as feminism used to campaign for equality of the sexes (equal rights and opportunities etc). She is the flip side of fascists and it seems what she has resisted she has become.

Don't make me puke with your ignorant "the left used to".

This one person is not the left.

And this is not as white and black as you want to make it.

The question is: What should a society do to prevent fascists from organizing and causing harm to many?

No, it's not. Fascism has nothing to do with Milo.

 

[J842P]

She's not honest. She was using violence to shutdown an opposing view from a homosexual on the right wing of politics who has no record of inciting violence.

I would put targeted harassment of individuals because of their opinions in the violence category. Psychological abuse is still abuse.

The left used to support free speech just as feminism used to campaign for equality of the sexes (equal rights and opportunities etc). She is the flip side of fascists and it seems what she has resisted she has become.

So if you see injustice, would you just let it happen?

Let me know when women have equal rights by the way.

What the fuck are you talking about? What does any of this have to do with Milo? None of his talks could be misconstrued as fascist, or even "alt-right."

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What exactly qualifies this woman as a "radical leftist" or a "fascist"?

The fact that she uses violence to shut down ideas she doesn't like.

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What exactly qualifies this woman as a "radical leftist" or a "fascist"?

She has a vagina and speaks her mind.

 

[Derec]

She has a vagina and speaks her mind.

So does she.

Your point is?