Berkeley "liberals" contra free speech

[Elixir]

Opportunity lost... Fuckface von Clownstick should have called out the guard and imposed martial law. Maybe kill a few of them and lock up the rest. Let everyone get a glimpse of what's to come. Put those rabble rousers "on notice".

So may I assume you support rioting against people you disagree with? Would you also support rioting against left-wing speakers at colleges?

Sure, if you can muster a crowd of racist Nazis to protest against tolerance and the tragic dilution of the White Genome, have at it. It would be nice to know those assholes are.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Isn't Antifa the flip side of Fascism?

No. One seeks to control others and seeks power based upon race and ideology the other sees the harm to innocents caused by these ideologies, but will not take direct action against other forms of conservatism.

In some cases the distinction between conservative and fascist may be blurred. What's wrong with a debate in college. Antifa has been termed as a loose collective or socialists which can include communists, anarchists, anti-racists and liberals.

Do you have a website reference as third party information could be completely distorted. I did check wiki but perhaps something straight from the horses mouth (or sometimes I use the word bottom) would be fine.

I'm not sure whether Milo Yiannopoulos qualifies as Nazi. I may be wrong

 

[braces_for_impact]

The problem with Milo is usually more complex than any side wishes to let on. Milo himself likes the controversy. If you've ever seen him speak, he's much better at screaming at leftists than making coherent arguments. Often, the problems that surround Milo as he travels from place to place isn't censorship, it's his army of alt-right fuckwits than goes with it. When Milo is coming to a school near you, it's not like he shows up, he talks, and it's over. Often what happens is his supporters get whipped into a frenzy, and start targeting certain "undesirables" for the same treatment he was thrown off Twitter for. You have students that leave school over this and so on, not because they're "special snowflakes" but because they're unable to cope with a metric fuck ton of half wits physically and verbally harassing them for long periods of time. These are usually people that have little to no power to begin with, like Trans students and the like.

The protests that crop up are often a response to this type of harassment, as yet another campus draws a line and says "not here". Still, there are better and worse ways to draw attention to this type of thing, and either way Milo and his crop of fuck wits wins. Then everyone withdraws to their respective corners, paints everyone else with absolutes, and Milo is on to the next campus. Not because his views are carefully crafted, or worthy of debate, or even novel in any way. In fact, unless you're Dave Rubin most have heard what Milo has to say and doesn't find it all that interesting.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

No. One seeks to control others and seeks power based upon race and ideology the other sees the harm to innocents caused by these ideologies, but will not take direct action against other forms of conservatism.

In some cases the distinction between conservative and fascist may be blurred. What's wrong with a debate in college. Antifa has been termed as a loose collective or socialists which can include communists, anarchists, anti-racists and liberals.

Do you have a website reference as third party information could be completely distorted. I did check wiki but perhaps something straight from the horses mouth (or sometimes I use the word bottom) would be fine.

There is nothing wrong with debate. I am not an anarchist, and should probably say my philosophy stems from a mix of Punk ideologies and attitudes of World War II survivors.

 

[ronburgundy]

In some cases the distinction between conservative and fascist may be blurred. What's wrong with a debate in college. Antifa has been termed as a loose collective or socialists which can include communists, anarchists, anti-racists and liberals.

Do you have a website reference as third party information could be completely distorted. I did check wiki but perhaps something straight from the horses mouth (or sometimes I use the word bottom) would be fine.

There is nothing wrong with debate. I am not an anarchist, and should probably say my philosophy stems from a mix of Punk ideologies and attitudes of World War II survivors.

Then you should oppose these violent actions, because they were perpetrated by Black Bloc anarchists who undermine debate and discussion, and mock actual liberals for employing non-violent efforts. They are just a bunch of violent criminals looking for an excuse to riot.

Where is a trigger-happy cop when you need one?

All accounts are that close to 2000 Berkeley students and faculty were peacefully protesting when about 150 Black Bloc thugs came on campus in their typical riot gear and starting engaging in criminal violence and destruction.

Actual liberals should take these left-wing fascists to task, take pics of them with their phones, and use their greater numbers to make citizens arrests while they call the cops.
That would have actually seriously undermined Milo's efforts and the Breitbart narrative rather than give them exactly what they wanted.

 

[KeepTalking]

I support direct action to deny platforms for fascists and Nazis to disseminate their ideology. If this crosses into some types of antisocial behavior that is fine with me. I am not saying those who take such actions are heros or should not be punished. The aim is not to instill terror, but an understanding that we are out there and will take direct action until they publicly denounce fascist and Nazi ideology.

I can't agree. I believe in free speech, even for those whose views are reprehensible. Otherwise you don't have free speech. You don't need to defend popular speech, only unpopular speech.

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." - H. L. Mencken

Is Milo Yiannopoulos an actual fascist, or is he a fascist according to SJWs?

I agree with Jason on this one.

Protesting his speech is one thing, but keeping him from speaking is quite another.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Is Milo Yiannopoulos an actual fascist, or is he a fascist according to SJWs?

Milo is irrelevant. Why in the heck would anyone want to hear the guy speak?

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There is nothing wrong with debate. I am not an anarchist, and should probably say my philosophy stems from a mix of Punk ideologies and attitudes of World War II survivors.

Then you should oppose these violent actions, because they were perpetrated by Black Bloc anarchists who undermine debate and discussion, and mock actual liberals for employing non-violent efforts. They are just a bunch of violent criminals looking for an excuse to riot.

Where is a trigger-happy cop when you need one?

All accounts are that close to 2000 Berkeley students and faculty were peacefully protesting when about 150 Black Bloc thugs came on campus in their typical riot gear and starting engaging in criminal violence and destruction.

Actual liberals should take these left-wing fascists to task, take pics of them with their phones, and use their greater numbers to make citizens arrests while they call the cops.
That would have actually seriously undermined Milo's efforts and the Breitbart narrative rather than give them exactly what they wanted.

This goonery is getting out of hand. Happened at the Inauguration as well, where this small group of people come in with all intentions of disrupting the peace and committing acts of violence. Then the college students get blamed by broadbrushers.

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The problem with Milo is usually more complex than any side wishes to let on. Milo himself likes the controversy.

Milo is a SJW, a guy out there trying to raise a banner for a "cause", but really is just out there for notoriety.

 

[Trausti]

I can't agree. I believe in free speech, even for those whose views are reprehensible. Otherwise you don't have free speech. You don't need to defend popular speech, only unpopular speech.

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." - H. L. Mencken

Is Milo Yiannopoulos an actual fascist, or is he a fascist according to SJWs?

I agree with Jason on this one.

Protesting his speech is one thing, but keeping him from speaking is quite another.

One would hope all posters on this forum would agree. After all, we're mostly atheists and agnostics. Plenty of folks out there feel that the non-religious should be shut down or killed. If you don't support Milo and his followers' right to have a different viewpoint, then there's no basis to protest when intolerant thugs go after us.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins

Milo is a SJW, a guy out there trying to raise a banner for a "cause", but really is just out there for notoriety.

Well, if that's what you think an SJW is, so be it, but using such a loaded term both unintentionally and intentionally by many as a straw man seems very unhelpful if the goal is to have substantive conversation. Granted the OP is not interested in any such thing.

 

[TSwizzle]

Milo is irrelevant. Why in the heck would anyone want to hear the guy speak?

I'd never heard of him until quite recently. Because of the controversy I had a listen to a couple of youtube talks he did. He is mildly amusing at times and I can't really remember what his talks were about, that's how much of an impression he made. These protests are counter productive, they draw attention to an irrelevant pantomime villain who makes a living out of being infamous. It's bonkers.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Milo is irrelevant. Why in the heck would anyone want to hear the guy speak?

I'd never heard of him until quite recently. Because of the controversy I had a listen to a couple of youtube talks he did. He is mildly amusing at times and I can't really remember what his talks were about, that's how much of an impression he made. These protests are counter productive, they draw attention to an irrelevant pantomime villain who makes a living out of being infamous. It's bonkers.

The violence was instigated by people who weren't part of the College.

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Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins

Milo is a SJW, a guy out there trying to raise a banner for a "cause", but really is just out there for notoriety.

Well, if that's what you think an SJW is, so be it, but using such a loaded term both unintentionally and intentionally by many as a straw man seems very unhelpful if the goal is to have substantive conversation. Granted the OP is not interested in any such thing.

SJW has two generally accepted meanings.

1) person that uses social causes for self-promotion
2) anyone that disagrees with a conservative

 

[TSwizzle]

I'd never heard of him until quite recently. Because of the controversy I had a listen to a couple of youtube talks he did. He is mildly amusing at times and I can't really remember what his talks were about, that's how much of an impression he made. These protests are counter productive, they draw attention to an irrelevant pantomime villain who makes a living out of being infamous. It's bonkers.

The violence was instigated by people who weren't part of the College.

It doesn't matter, violence or no violence. It's bonkers giving the guy any attention.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Just posted on CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/02/us/milo-yiannopoulos-ivory-tower/index.html?adkey=bn

Milo Yiannopoulos is trying to convince colleges that hate speech is cool

 

[Derec]

Just posted on CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/02/us/milo-yiannopoulos-ivory-tower/index.html?adkey=bn

Milo Yiannopoulos is trying to convince colleges that hate speech is cool

Oh, colleges like Berkeley have been convinced of that. For one kind of hate speech at least.
Louis Farrakhan speaks at UC Berkeley
Note that there were no riots and that he was allowed to speak.

Funny how you and your fellow Antifas have nothing against "Nation of Islam" brand of fascism...

 

[Trausti]

Just posted on CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/02/us/milo-yiannopoulos-ivory-tower/index.html?adkey=bn

Milo Yiannopoulos is trying to convince colleges that hate speech is cool

Oh, Berkeley was already steeped in hate.

 

[Elixir]

In some cases the distinction between conservative and fascist may be blurred.

Very true. And it's a bit of a shame when truly well-meaning conservatives are painted with a broad NAZI brush.
OTOH, when actual fascists are allowed to masquerade as well-meaning conservatives, the results - as we know from history - are disastrous.
I'll gladly risk "a bit of a shame" to ensure against utter disaster, if given the choice.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Just posted on CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/02/us/milo-yiannopoulos-ivory-tower/index.html?adkey=bn

Funny how you and your fellow Antifas have nothing against "Nation of Islam" brand of fascism...

Maybe you should start that group.

 

[Elixir]

Funny how you and your fellow Antifas have nothing against "Nation of Islam" brand of fascism...

Maybe you should start that group.

Right - that's what I have been trying to imply to these hand-wringers. Go ahead - get your most righteous folks together and protest against that which they oppose (the dismepowerment of white males). An inability to do that reflects the extremist nature of their views.

 

[Trausti]

In some cases the distinction between conservative and fascist may be blurred.

Very true. And it's a bit of a shame when truly well-meaning conservatives are painted with a broad NAZI brush.
OTOH, when actual fascists are allowed to masquerade as well-meaning conservatives, the results - as we know from history - are disastrous.
I'll gladly risk "a bit of a shame" to ensure against utter disaster, if given the choice.

 

[Derec]

An inability to do that reflects the extremist nature of their views.

On the contrary. The unwillingness of the Left to oppose extremism from the Left or even extremism from organizations like "Nation of Islam" (which are right-wing but not opposed by the Left because of their racial identity) shows the moral bankruptcy of the modern Left.