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All blacks are owed reparations

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I hesitated before deciding to make a thread on this, because over the past year it has become increasingly clear to me that this is actually a fairly center-right forum. I used to look at it as a bastion of the left, but that was before I knew what the left was about. The majority of users here are considerably to the right of someone like Noam Chomsky or Michael Parenti, or really anyone who is even slightly critical of capitalism. But even those people don't say much about what I'm about to discuss, at least not as much as other topics. So, I don't expect any buy-in from this crowd, but I hope to at least educate some visitors and perhaps make some of the more left-leaning members see that this is an important topic.

All blacks everywhere are owed reparations from all wealthy first-world capitalist nations. As a start.

Why? Well, first we have to talk about what reparations are and what it means to be "owed" them. Reparations are not a check from the government, and they are not owed as punishment for wrongdoing on the part of whoever is providing them. Reparations are tangible resources, material and otherwise, that would allow the unification and self-determination of a people that was forcibly divided and dispersed throughout the world. They are owed because the prosperity of the entire capitalist world rests on the European colonization of Africa, the extraction of its inhabitants and natural resources, and the subsequent disenfranchisement of people of African descent wherever they are in the world.

How so? Before the imperialist invasion of Africa by Europe, there was neither an Africa nor a Europe proper. Both landmasses were occupied by their respective inhabitants, who engaged in internal conflicts as any nation would. Europe was in the midst of a dark era of widespread poverty and disease. The dawn of imperialism, which predates industrial capitalism but is indispensable for it, lifted Europe out of that feudal cesspool. The European conquest of Africa robbed it of minerals, crops, wildlife, and perhaps most importantly, human beings. The continent was carved up based on European interests, resulting in the national divisions we see today, which were established in Germany by committee. Suddenly, Europe had electricity and sanitation, enabled by the labor and materials they extracted from Africa, and in doing so stifled the African people from having electricity and sanitation of their own. Cobblestone roads were laid down across Europe using stones removed from Africa and laid by African slaves. Pretty much every major city in Belgium, Spain, Italy, and overseas into Brazil, Mexico, and of course the United States, was built by African slaves using African materials. The entire western world is built upon the unpaid labor and stolen resources of a once-independent Africa.

This has left the African people and their progeny fractured and divided across the globe, in places like Haiti and Jamaica. Some, of course, are still in Africa, but under the rule of petty bourgeoisie neo-colonial governments that continue to extract wealth from them. The colonization that had occurred in the open prior to the industrial development of Europe and the Americas continues on a smaller scale to this day. When cities that contain large percentages of black people are gentrified, raising property values and driving out the low-income workers as well as the businesses they work at, it's another version of the same process: enriching white European capitalism by either removing people from or co-opting the spaces where Africans live. Where this does not occur, blacks are segregated from everyone else in metropolitan areas that are underdeveloped, poorly funded, and devoid of meaningful cultural monuments. And for more than a century, black people have been targeted by law enforcement from the highest levels of government on down.

I'm going to stop here with a recommendation: if you vehemently disagree with this account of European history, then you probably won't be sympathetic to reparations. You can post about your disagreement if you want, but I won't respond to you. I'm not interested in arguing about what has already taken place. The facts are clear: Africans, through their forced labor and the resources of their homeland, literally constructed the base structure of Western capitalist society as we know it. None of this would exist without the African people doing unpaid work for centuries, African natural resources forming the infrastructure of our civil and technological development, and the intentional division and dispersal of a previously unified continent of people with their own economies, laws, art, philosophy, politics, science, and literature. As they would continue to do for indigenous populations in Asia, the Americas, and elsewhere, Europe has effectively erased Africa from modern history as an actor and turned it into an object of exploitation. That is the reality that has burdened black people for five hundred years.

If you basically acknowledge the previous few paragraphs as even roughly accurate, I would like to know: why should black people respect white laws and their enforcers? Why should they want to pay white taxes, why should they show up to work to enrich the owners of white companies? And I'm not using the word "white" here to differentiate between the biological races of whoever enacted the laws, invented the taxes, or owns the particular companies (even though most of those people are, in fact, white). It's just a label for the arc of European imperial colonization that has erected social and economic structures to protect its bounty; even when black police officers harass black sex workers, the underlying function of that power dynamic serves the white ruling class. Black politicians and black CEOs who carry out the ongoing accumulation of capitalism are agents of white power in their capacity as politicians and CEOs.

And so, from an ethical standpoint, black people are entitled to reparations. Not because the people who will be paying them are the ones responsible for the situation that needs repairing--although some of them certainly are--but because the material resources they are owed belong to them as endowments of the African continent whose rape and pillage form the basis of virtually our entire society. Will undeserving blacks end up getting reparations? Yup. Lucky them! Too bad. Will violent criminals get some? Yup. Lucky them! Too bad. There is no other way, no means-testing or parsing that will ever do justice to the genocide Africans have endured around the world at the hands of European colonial capitalism. And since we live in a capitalist world, the provision of reparations can only be the beginning. A consolidated, unified, self-determining African working class must be empowered to guide its own destiny fully and without white permission. This has gone on far too long. If white power does not concede reparations, black power should take them.

Reparations are not just cutting a check. For an idea of what they might look like, I will reproduce this from the platform of the African People's Socialist Party, an organization chaired by Omali Yeshitela that has been fighting for reparations for decades.

1. We want peace, dignity, and the right to build a prosperous life through our own labor and in our own interests.
2. We want the rights to economic development and creative and productive employment which promote the needs and well-being of our entire people.
3. We want an end to all local, state, federal, and other taxation of black people by the U.S. government and any of its agencies.
4. We want the right to free speech and political association, a guarantee of the right to work for the betterment and emancipation of black people without fear of political imprisonment and the loss of life, limb, and livelihood.
5. We want the right to international political and economic association with Africans and all other peoples anywhere on the face of the Earth.
6. We want the immediate and unconditional release of all black people who are presently locked down in U.S. prisons.
7. We want complete amnesty for all African political prisoners and prisoners of war from U.S. prisons or their immediate release to any friendly country which will accept them and give them political asylum.
8. We want the immediate withdrawal of the U.S. police from our oppressed and exploited communities.
9. We want an end to the political and social oppression and economic exploitation of African women.
10. We want the right to build an African People’s Liberation Army.
11. We want the U.S. and the international European ruling class and states to pay Africa and African people for the centuries of genocide, oppression, and enslavement of our people.
12. We want an end to the vicious, self-serving U.S. and Western European political, economic, and military interference in the affairs of Africa and African people throughout the world.
13. We want an end to U.S. colonial domination of African people within the U.S.
14. We want the total liberation and unification of Africa under an All-African socialist government.

Each one is expounded upon at this page.

We believe that U.S. and European civilization were born from, and are presently maintained by, the horrendous theft of human and material resources from Africa and its people. We also believe that this theft of human and material resources is responsible for the present underpopulation and underdevelopment of Africa and her people and the political servitude, material impoverishment, and cultural discontinuity and disintegration of African people throughout the world. We believe that Africa and African people are due reparations, just economic compensation, billions of dollars which must be paid to the Organization of African Unity or any other legitimate international organization of African people, for equitable distribution for the development of Africa. We also believe that reparations must be distributed to the various independent African states dispersed throughout the world, and to the legitimate representatives of African people forcibly dispersed throughout the world who have not yet won liberation.
 
1. We want peace, dignity, and the right to build a prosperous life through our own labor and in our own interests.
2. We want the rights to economic development and creative and productive employment which promote the needs and well-being of our entire people.
3. We want an end to all local, state, federal, and other taxation of black people by the U.S. government and any of its agencies.
4. We want the right to free speech and political association, a guarantee of the right to work for the betterment and emancipation of black people without fear of political imprisonment and the loss of life, limb, and livelihood.
5. We want the right to international political and economic association with Africans and all other peoples anywhere on the face of the Earth.
6. We want the immediate and unconditional release of all black people who are presently locked down in U.S. prisons.
7. We want complete amnesty for all African political prisoners and prisoners of war from U.S. prisons or their immediate release to any friendly country which will accept them and give them political asylum.
8. We want the immediate withdrawal of the U.S. police from our oppressed and exploited communities.
9. We want an end to the political and social oppression and economic exploitation of African women.
10. We want the right to build an African People’s Liberation Army.
11. We want the U.S. and the international European ruling class and states to pay Africa and African people for the centuries of genocide, oppression, and enslavement of our people.
12. We want an end to the vicious, self-serving U.S. and Western European political, economic, and military interference in the affairs of Africa and African people throughout the world.
13. We want an end to U.S. colonial domination of African people within the U.S.
14. We want the total liberation and unification of Africa under an All-African socialist government.

Numbers 3, 6, 8 are immoral and impossible and most people, including most black people, would object to them. The premise of them could be the basis of a dystopian television series, though.

The rest are either things that all people in the United States already have, or are vacuous rhetorical puffery, or are totally delusional (14 is especially chuckle-worthy).

If white power does not concede reparations, black power should take them.

Good luck with that.
 
1. We want peace, dignity, and the right to build a prosperous life through our own labor and in our own interests.
2. We want the rights to economic development and creative and productive employment which promote the needs and well-being of our entire people.
3. We want an end to all local, state, federal, and other taxation of black people by the U.S. government and any of its agencies.
4. We want the right to free speech and political association, a guarantee of the right to work for the betterment and emancipation of black people without fear of political imprisonment and the loss of life, limb, and livelihood.
5. We want the right to international political and economic association with Africans and all other peoples anywhere on the face of the Earth.
6. We want the immediate and unconditional release of all black people who are presently locked down in U.S. prisons.
7. We want complete amnesty for all African political prisoners and prisoners of war from U.S. prisons or their immediate release to any friendly country which will accept them and give them political asylum.
8. We want the immediate withdrawal of the U.S. police from our oppressed and exploited communities.
9. We want an end to the political and social oppression and economic exploitation of African women.
10. We want the right to build an African People’s Liberation Army.
11. We want the U.S. and the international European ruling class and states to pay Africa and African people for the centuries of genocide, oppression, and enslavement of our people.
12. We want an end to the vicious, self-serving U.S. and Western European political, economic, and military interference in the affairs of Africa and African people throughout the world.
13. We want an end to U.S. colonial domination of African people within the U.S.
14. We want the total liberation and unification of Africa under an All-African socialist government.
That list reads a bit of crazy with Number 14 being Utopian silliness.
 
They are owed because the prosperity of the entire capitalist world rests on the European colonization of Africa

Sitting here in prosperous downtown Bangkok, I'm not sold on this part of the argument. Because some white people long ago did something bad and exploitative to some black people long ago, prosperous Thai merchants owe all black people everywhere today something?? Huh?
 
There's enough utter insanity in that list that there's no point in even dealing with the rest of it.
 
The All Blacks get pretty good money. It's reported that the team captain makes around NZ$1million a year, so further reparations probably aren't needed.

It's also a slippery slope. If we start paying reparations to the All Blacks, New Zealand Cricket will want reparations for the underarm fiasco of 1981. Where does it end?
 
It's also a slippery slope. If we start paying reparations to the All Blacks, New Zealand Cricket will want reparations for the underarm fiasco of 1981. Where does it end?
All Whites can demand reparations for not qualifying for the 2018 World Cup.
 
Every race or ethnicity or clan or group that has ever been exploited or oppressed by another is owed reparations. I'm Slavic. The very word "slave" comes from the experience of my ancestors. So there are a lot of people who owe me a lot of reparations I suppose. Or should I not be compensated because I am white?
 
So, I can fairly say I am left of most of these forums. Some people overshoot me, but I apply my principles consistently and persistently. Sometimes those principles change, admittedly, but it is generally a result of hard-thought philosophy brather than wishy-washy social bullshit as is common among certain others I tend to argue with.

That said, this is fucking stupid.

I don't disagree that something is necessary to elevate the people who we have categorically robbed and raped under the excuse that they didn't have the technological breakthrough to cash in on the resources they happened to be living around and above; I think that we need to respect, educate, and to remove the correlation between poverty and being of any particular "race". That is what is owed, and it is owed across the world, and it is payed through widespread education and the distribution of infrastructural improvement.

It is not paid through bullshit like excusing people from the very real obligation they have to the collective of humans to contribute, nor is it paid through any manner of segregationist concession, whether that segregation is enforced by black or white culture.

The crime was always a failure to distribute knowledge of how resources had value and how to impart that value on resources without "Western" control or forcing. It was a crime of maintenance of ignorance. It is corrected by decimating the ignorance.
 
And what about those Native Americans who sold Manhattan for some beads. We sure owe those guys.
 
The All Blacks get pretty good money. It's reported that the team captain makes around NZ$1million a year, so further reparations probably aren't needed.
What about The Black Caps?
 
The All Blacks get pretty good money. It's reported that the team captain makes around NZ$1million a year, so further reparations probably aren't needed.

It's also a slippery slope. If we start paying reparations to the All Blacks, New Zealand Cricket will want reparations for the underarm fiasco of 1981. Where does it end?

We could sent Russell Crowe back.
 
The All Blacks get pretty good money. It's reported that the team captain makes around NZ$1million a year, so further reparations probably aren't needed.

Ya, but does he have a government provided mule?
 
And what about those Native Americans who sold Manhattan for some beads. We sure owe those guys.

What about women? Should we include all the reparations to women also? They were basically treated like slaves in the past. And our economy would have collapsed without them. I say that we expand the reparation clause to the following narrow group: Blacks, First Nations, Women?
 
And what about those Native Americans who sold Manhattan for some beads. We sure owe those guys.

What about women? Should we include all the reparations to women also? They were basically treated like slaves in the past. And our economy would have collapsed without them. I say that we expand the reparation clause to the following narrow group: Blacks, First Nations, Women?

We already have a measure of how much a person's forebears were oppressed, which would give a much better estimate of the degree of reparations owed to an individual by society than that individual's ethnicity, gender, or other broad categorisation.

Wealth.

We should have the wealthy pay reparations to the poor. It's both justified and equitable; and we could call it 'tax and spend'.

Of course it's not a perfect solution. But it's a fuck of a lot better than using skin colour as the criterion for deciding who needs to be compensated for past abuses.

And it's a sliding scale. If only three of someone's bears were oppressed, they will likely pay somewhat more in taxes, and have somewhat less provided to them as benefits.
 
And what about those Native Americans who sold Manhattan for some beads. We sure owe those guys.

What about women? Should we include all the reparations to women also? They were basically treated like slaves in the past. And our economy would have collapsed without them. I say that we expand the reparation clause to the following narrow group: Blacks, First Nations, Women?

We already have a measure of how much a person's forebears were oppressed, which would give a much better estimate of the degree of reparations owed to an individual by society than that individual's ethnicity, gender, or other broad categorisation.

Wealth.

We should have the wealthy pay reparations to the poor. It's both justified and equitable; and we could call it 'tax and spend'.

Of course it's not a perfect solution. But it's a fuck of a lot better than using skin colour as the criterion for deciding who needs to be compensated for past abuses.

And it's a sliding scale. If only three of someone's bears were oppressed, they will likely pay somewhat more in taxes, and have somewhat less provided to them as benefits.

I like it! Let's go bold: reparations to Blacks, First Nations, Women, and people with $500million or less in wealth?!
 
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