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Elixir said:
Derec said:
Had democratic politicians allowed immigration laws to be properly enforced instead of protecting illegals, we would not be here.
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“We”?? You and ICE are an item?
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We, including y'all. As in the country would not be here, with Trump 2.0.
Immigration policy failures are a big reason Trump prevailed in 2024.
To think of it, it is also a big reason he won the 2016 primaries against the likes of ¡Jeb! "illegal immigration is an act of love" Bush.
Your slip is showing, ma’am.
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I wish! Not rich enough for a boat.
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And who are you calling "ma'am"?
Everything is Dems’ fault so fuck ‘em if “we” decide to murder them, disappear them or whatever. All for the public good! Ask any Trumpsucker, and they’ll agree.
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What are you babbling about? Nobody here is condoning murdering or disappearing people.
 
Elixir said:
You’re blind.
Their incompetence is made of the same vaporware as Trump’s competence.
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I genuinely don't have an idea what you mean by this.
Between the Musks, the Russians, the Saudis,
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Three very different groups. Also, other than Elon, who are the other Musks? I do not think his brother or children are politically active.
their collective willingness to lie cheat steal and deceive with all the smoke and mirrors money could buy, they fooled enough people like you to elect a proven rapist fraud.
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First of all, not "like me". I reluctantly voted for Kamala and the Knucklehead.
People they fooled most is the Gaza contingent. Them voting for Trump was like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
The other group that voted for Trump are the independents that Biden won over in 2020 (remember, he even won Georgia!), but who were dissatisfied with his administration's performance - on issues like inflation and yes, immigration.
Second, "proven rapist" refers to a civil case in a jurisdiction (NYC) where Trump is very unpopular. EJC's story of getting assaulted in the changing room at Bergdorf's is highly unbelievable, especially in the light of other similar allegedly autobiographical vignettes from her misandrist book "What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal". The whole thing was a farce that probably helped Trump more than it hurt him. Just like that misguided hush money prosecution by Alvin Bragg and his ADA chipmunks, where they invented "novel legal theories" to elevate a misdemeanor past the statute of limitation into 34 felonies. But I digress.
Quite a feat, no matter how you slice it.
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Indeed. Dems should have had an easy time winning against Trump in both 2016 and 2024. Losing to him twice was quite a feat indeed.
 
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Swammerdami said:
From Trump's 2025 Inauguration to December, there have been 622,000 deported, 1,900,000 self-deportations and at least 65,735 migrants currently in ICE detention. The Trump regime has been a rip-roaring success for xenophobes.
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Do you think everybody opposed to illegal or otherwise mass migration is a "xenophobe"?
They've been so successful perhaps their charter should be expanded to other undesirables: socialists, Demoncrats, lesbians, Jews.
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Those most opposed to Jews are on the hard Left.
Could the 1st-person pronoun have been deployed for even more personal reasons?
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No. It has more to do with the fact that English - unlike some other languages like Vietnamese or Tagalog - lacks the distinction between an inclusive and exclusive first person plural pronoun. I meant "we" in the inclusive sense.
gun thugs like Zimmerman and Rittenhouse.
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Swammerdami said:
Swammerdami said:
From Trump's 2025 Inauguration to December, there have been 622,000 deported, 1,900,000 self-deportations and at least 65,735 migrants currently in ICE detention.
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@Derec -- What's your immediate emotional response when you read facts like the above?
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I think that it has been too difficult to deport people, even those who committed crimes. In part, that was due to sanctuary policies where local authorities would protect illegals from deportation.
That does not mean that Trump's approach is correct, just that what has been going on previously has been inadequate and directly led to Trump. We can see the same in Europe where decades of "Willkommenskultur" by mainstream parties from both sides of the aisle led to a bankruptcy of credibility for the mainstream parties and emergence of far-right parties like AfD or RN.
The ambiguity in "we would not be here" is interesting. There is a literal meaning and a more figurative meaning. I'm not sure what my initial reading would have been. (I first read the Derec quote inside Elixir's response.)
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As I said in my reply to your previous post (which you are quoting in this one - talking to yourself?) the ambiguity came from lack of distinction between inclusive and exclusive "we" in English.
I meant "we" to include my audience, at least those who are in the US. But seeing things like Trump threatening Greenland, "we would not be in this mess" applies outside our borders as well.
I strongly believe that Derec intended the figurative meaning (perhaps with "noble warriors" substituted for "fascist thugs" and "cleansings" subbing for "crimes")
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*Sigh*
I think that Trump's ICE is overly aggressive stance is wrong and counterproductive in the long run.
 
Derec said:
Colonel Sanders said:
The Dems are undoubtedly incompetent and they are severely out of touch with most Americans, but their intentions are not to take away rights and terrify people.
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And yet their incompetence, and out-of-touch positions led to Trump getting (re)elected, and to the current situation.
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The GOP is doing what they are doing because they have the backing of the oligarchs and are good at using disinformation for political gain.
 
Derec said:
Immigration policy failures are a big reason Trump prevailed in 2024.
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Well, not really.

Immigration concerns were; But there's no actual policy failure that wasn't entirely bipartisan.

Many Trump voters were concerned about fictional immigration issues. No amount of policy can fix belief.

You might as well suggest that if his political opponents hadn't wanted Hitler to take power, they should have taken a tougher line on preventing Jewish terrorists from burning the Reichstag.

Policy had nothing to do with either of Trump's elections; The deciding factor was propaganda.
 
bilby said:
Derec said:
Immigration policy failures are a big reason Trump prevailed in 2024.
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Well, not really.

Immigration concerns were; But there's no actual policy failure that wasn't entirely bipartisan.

Many Trump voters were concerned about fictional immigration issues. No amount of policy can fix belief.

You might as well suggest that if his political opponents hadn't wanted Hitler to take power, they should have taken a tougher line on preventing Jewish terrorists from burning the Reichstag.

Policy had nothing to do with either of Trump's elections; The deciding factor was propaganda.
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Indeed. There were more deportations under Obama than under Trump45. The Biden administration introduced tougher legislation that the Republicans voted against, under instruction from Trump, because he wanted this false perception to exist, so as to help him become Trump47.
 
Just curious, but doesn't most police training teach officers NOT to put themselves in front of any vehicle?
 
KCFlyer said:
Just curious, but doesn't most police training teach officers NOT to put themselves in front of any vehicle?
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Yes it's been mentioned here several times that almost all police forces prohibit getting in front of the car and prohibit firing into a moving car, with limited exceptions. DHS has such rules. The shooter violated those rules.
 
Derec said:
Swammerdami said:
They [ICE} have been so successful perhaps their charter should be expanded to other undesirables: socialists, Demoncrats, lesbians, Jews.
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Those most opposed to Jews are on the hard Left.
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That is SO FALSE that it confirms our impression that you are just another low-information right-wing bigot.

Many (especially but not limited to the left) are opposed to WAR CRIMES. That is NOT the same as opposing Jews. Geez!

Pop quiz:

Which group was it that held a demonstration and chanted "Jews will not replace us"?​
Were they on the "Left" or on the "Right"?​

(Please tell us if you were able to answer from memory or needed to consult an AI bot to answer.)

Derec said:
Swammerdami said:
Swammerdami said:
From Trump's 2025 Inauguration to December, there have been 622,000 deported, 1,900,000 self-deportations and at least 65,735 migrants currently in ICE detention.
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@Derec -- What's your immediate emotional response when you read facts like the above?
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I think that it has been too difficult to deport people, even those who committed crimes. In part, that was due to sanctuary policies where local authorities would protect illegals from deportation.
That does not mean that Trump's approach is correct, ...
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Oh! A concession! Not quite willing to say Trump's policy might be incorrect (let alone despicable) but conceding that ICE's "successes" do not PROVE Trump's policy to be correct.

Here you are, feigning uncertainty about your Messiah's approach, but unwilling to "go the extra mile" and use words like "inappropriate" to describe the crimes of Trump, Noem, etc. Wow.

BTW, re: "committed crimes. I guess you're unaware that U.S. citizens commit crimes at a much higher rate than undocumented immigrants. And (Spoiler alert) The Haitians were NOT really eating the cats and the dogs.

Derec said:
As I said in my reply to your previous post (which you are quoting in this one - talking to yourself?) ...
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Spoiler: I DO talk to myself more than most. But I DO also find it remarkable that you need to make a little dig ... dig for what? To impugn my mental health? I AM impressed! Impressed enough for another mocking "Wow". Go ahead: Dig at me for repetition.

Derec said:
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I think that Trump's ICE is overly aggressive stance is wrong and counterproductive in the long run.
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A concession!!1!!!1! The W-word!!!!1!11!!! Trump's secret police -- deliberately recruited from thugs, sadists, gun nuts and racists -- are "aggressive" and even "wrong." While presumably necessary and appropriate in the short run, their criminal actions might be "counterproductive in the LONG run."

What does that mean anyway? "Counterproductive in the LONG run"? They should be reigned in (or replaced with competent trained police) after 2 or 3 years?
 
Derec said:
Nobody here is condoning murdering or disappearing people.
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Well I condon the murder or disappearence of our tyrant.
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Also, other than Elon, who are the other Musks?
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I think he said Musks because 'olagarcs' is hard to spell.
Derec said:
Dems should have had an easy time winning against Trump in both 2016 and 2024. Losing to him twice was quite a feat indeed.
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The Dems DID beat him, once. Rump only won when running against women. Not because they were Democrats.
 
crazyfingers said:
KCFlyer said:
Just curious, but doesn't most police training teach officers NOT to put themselves in front of any vehicle?
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Yes it's been mentioned here several times that almost all police forces prohibit getting in front of the car and prohibit firing into a moving car, with limited exceptions. DHS has such rules. The shooter violated those rules.
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They all violated the rules. They had no legal right to approach the two women in the first place. The protest was not interfering in the ICE operation at all therefore legal.
 
Derec said:
Swammerdami said:
From Trump's 2025 Inauguration to December, there have been 622,000 deported, 1,900,000 self-deportations and at least 65,735 migrants currently in ICE detention. The Trump regime has been a rip-roaring success for xenophobes.
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Do you think everybody opposed to illegal or otherwise mass migration is a "xenophobe"?
They've been so successful perhaps their charter should be expanded to other undesirables: socialists, Demoncrats, lesbians, Jews.
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Those most opposed to Jews are on the hard Left.
Could the 1st-person pronoun have been deployed for even more personal reasons?
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No. It has more to do with the fact that English - unlike some other languages like Vietnamese or Tagalog - lacks the distinction between an inclusive and exclusive first person plural pronoun. I meant "we" in the inclusive sense.
gun thugs like Zimmerman and Rittenhouse.
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:hobbyhorse:
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Yeah, I think that xenophobia does affect one’s attitudes re: immigration. So does racism.
 
Swammerdami said:
Derec said:
Swammerdami said:
They [ICE} have been so successful perhaps their charter should be expanded to other undesirables: socialists, Demoncrats, lesbians, Jews.
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Those most opposed to Jews are on the hard Left.
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That is SO FALSE that it confirms our impression that you are just another low-information right-wing bigot.

Many (especially but not limited to the left) are opposed to WAR CRIMES. That is NOT the same as opposing Jews. Geez!

Pop quiz:

Which group was it that held a demonstration and chanted "Jews will not replace us"?​
Were they on the "Left" or on the "Right"?​

(Please tell us if you were able to answer from memory or needed to consult an AI bot to answer.)

Derec said:
Swammerdami said:
Swammerdami said:
From Trump's 2025 Inauguration to December, there have been 622,000 deported, 1,900,000 self-deportations and at least 65,735 migrants currently in ICE detention.
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@Derec -- What's your immediate emotional response when you read facts like the above?
Click to expand...
I think that it has been too difficult to deport people, even those who committed crimes. In part, that was due to sanctuary policies where local authorities would protect illegals from deportation.
That does not mean that Trump's approach is correct, ...
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Oh! A concession! Not quite willing to say Trump's policy might be incorrect (let alone despicable) but conceding that ICE's "successes" do not PROVE Trump's policy to be correct.

Here you are, feigning uncertainty about your Messiah's approach, but unwilling to "go the extra mile" and use words like "inappropriate" to describe the crimes of Trump, Noem, etc. Wow.

BTW, re: "committed crimes. I guess you're unaware that U.S. citizens commit crimes at a much higher rate than undocumented immigrants. And (Spoiler alert) The Haitians were NOT really eating the cats and the dogs.

Derec said:
As I said in my reply to your previous post (which you are quoting in this one - talking to yourself?) ...
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Spoiler: I DO talk to myself more than most. But I DO also find it remarkable that you need to make a little dig ... dig for what? To impugn my mental health? I AM impressed! Impressed enough for another mocking "Wow". Go ahead: Dig at me for repetition.

Derec said:
*Sigh*
I think that Trump's ICE is overly aggressive stance is wrong and counterproductive in the long run.
Click to expand...

A concession!!1!!!1! The W-word!!!!1!11!!! Trump's secret police -- deliberately recruited from thugs, sadists, gun nuts and racists -- are "aggressive" and even "wrong." While presumably necessary and appropriate in the short run, their criminal actions might be "counterproductive in the LONG run."

What does that mean anyway? "Counterproductive in the LONG run"? They should be reigned in (or replaced with competent trained police) after 2 or 3 years?
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Sometimes Derec resorts to digs when he can’t make a valid point. But there is also a streak of perfectionism there, I think. I understand the need for precision when stances depend on definitions and careful word choice. But for me, I post like I’m talking to an old friend who knows I’m a terrible typist and whose phone hates me and sometimes makes its own choices and forgives such errors. We all must do what we think best.
 
Derec said:
Swammerdami said:
Swammerdami said:
From Trump's 2025 Inauguration to December, there have been 622,000 deported, 1,900,000 self-deportations and at least 65,735 migrants currently in ICE detention.
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@Derec -- What's your immediate emotional response when you read facts like the above?
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I think that it has been too difficult to deport people, even those who committed crimes. In part, that was due to sanctuary policies where local authorities would protect illegals from deportation.
That does not mean that Trump's approach is correct, just that what has been going on previously has been inadequate and directly led to Trump. We can see the same in Europe where decades of "Willkommenskultur" by mainstream parties from both sides of the aisle led to a bankruptcy of credibility for the mainstream parties and emergence of far-right parties like AfD or RN.
The ambiguity in "we would not be here" is interesting. There is a literal meaning and a more figurative meaning. I'm not sure what my initial reading would have been. (I first read the Derec quote inside Elixir's response.)
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As I said in my reply to your previous post (which you are quoting in this one - talking to yourself?) the ambiguity came from lack of distinction between inclusive and exclusive "we" in English.
I meant "we" to include my audience, at least those who are in the US. But seeing things like Trump threatening Greenland, "we would not be in this mess" applies outside our borders as well.
I strongly believe that Derec intended the figurative meaning (perhaps with "noble warriors" substituted for "fascist thugs" and "cleansings" subbing for "crimes")
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*Sigh*
I think that Trump's ICE is overly aggressive stance is wrong and counterproductive in the long run.
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It isn’t actually ‘hard’ to deport people who have committed crimes. It takes resources, of course. But the GOP is loathe to fund …anything at all, except ICE and trinkets for billionaires.
 
Toni said:
I'm curious: Exactly what are those 'sanctuary' policies?
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Local governments aiding and abetting illegal immigration.
Usually by not honoring immigration detainers filed by the feds, releasing even criminal illegals back into the community instead of surrendering them to ICE for deportation.
But sometimes it's even worse. Take the case of García Zárate for example. He was already in custody of the feds when SF requested him for an outstanding drug warrant. But instead of returning him, SF released him less then a month later. He then murdered an innocent woman, but got away with it due to a leftist SF jury acquitting him.

How did they lead to 'this over reach?' (I am assuming that you mean Trump's massive ICE deployment but if I'm wrong, please tell me).
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Very simple. Dems' tone deafness on illegal migration helped Trump get reelected. You had the massive influx due to abuse of the asylum process and another high-profile murder by a released illegal, this time in Georgia. José Ibarra murdered the 22 year old Laken Riley. The perp was caught on the border in 2022, but was released under "catch and release" policies. He had been arrested since then, but was always released. Note that the Laken Riley Act, inspired by this case, was opposed by most Democrats.

My belief is that over-reach is entirely the responsibility of those who overstep their authority or respond with disproportionate reaction.
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Overreach can go in both directions. I think sanctuary policies are an overreach, as is lax enforcement at the border, where migrants apprehended are just released into the US.
My belief re: the situation in Minnesota is that Trump is exacting revenge against Minnesota/Tim Walz because Walz had the audacity to run on the opposing ticket in the last election and called Trump weird.
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Possible. Trump is a very petty man.
I agree with it not being great that Walz called Trump weird.
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And yet that was what propelled him to contender status in the 2024 Veepstakes. Kamala ran a very vibes-heavy campaign and he fit with that. It turned out to be a mistake.
adjudicated rapist,
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EJC's accusation lacks credibility, and civil courts get it wrong a lot because the burden of proof is very low which does not minimize Type I errors.
is almost certainly (I'm being kind here) a pedophile and kiddie rapist,
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What evidence is there of that?
I also think that Trump is looking for an excuse to enact the Insurrection Act.
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Again, very possible.
That does not mean that Dems could have prevented him getting power had they not embraced the "no human is illegal" nonsense.
 
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