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Define God

Define God. Simple request. What is a god? Simple question, simple answers. Define what a god is. This should be pinned. to the top of this forum on Existence of God(s) IMHO.:slowclap:

I like Jürgen Habermas definition. "It's a metaphor for our hopes and dreams".

Dan Harmon has God as a stand in for "the unknown" or rather "our hopes for how the unknowable is".

Lacan's is also good. God as an empty space to project whatever onto. So a version of Habermas. But one with space for an evil or destructive God.

I like all of these
 
We live in a universe that's suited to the existence of life. How could it be otherwise? If the universe wasn't suited to life, we wouldn't be here to question why not, or to ponder how likely or unlikely it is.

That explains how we’re able to ask, surely it doesn't treat the how as if it were the why. I think the problem for some people is that they feel there has to be a ‘why,’ without considering that maybe, just maybe, there isn’t one.
 
Take the death of a child in an accident. We can explain how it happened, the physics, the sequence, the medical cause, but there’s no ‘why’ that satisfies reason or compassion. To see purpose in that kind of pain, you’d have to believe in a higher power who planned every scream, every breath, every second of suffering, and called it meaningful.

The ridiculous explanation I’ve often heard, especially from Christians, is that God has nothing to do with the suffering in this world. To that, I usually say: if you know the God of all that’s good, maybe you should go looking for the God of all that’s bad, and introduce the two.
 
Reality has a double aspect. On the one hand, there are reason, evolution and order. On the other, there are the irrational, entropy and chaos. These aspects are complementary: the one cannot exist without the other. However, it is the destiny of mankind to embrace reason over the irrational, evolution over entropy and order over chaos.

To him who looks upon the world rationally, the world in its turn presents a rational aspect. The relation is mutual.--Hegel
 
Take the death of a child in an accident. We can explain how it happened, the physics, the sequence, the medical cause, but there’s no ‘why’ that satisfies reason or compassion.
Yeah, the idea that things generally have meaning or purpose strikes me as so absurd that I forget that many people genuinely believe it. Saying "everything happens for a reason" strikes me as an obvious joke, like saying "I could fall off the edge of the world" - surely nobody would say it and mean it literally and seriously?

But of course, they do. :(
 
Reality has a double aspect. On the one hand, there are reason, evolution and order. On the other, there are the irrational, entropy and chaos. These aspects are complementary: the one cannot exist without the other. However, it is the destiny of mankind to embrace reason over the irrational, evolution over entropy and order over chaos.

To him who looks upon the world rationally, the world in its turn presents a rational aspect. The relation is mutual.--Hegel

It is the destiny of mankind to go extinct.
 
Take the death of a child in an accident. We can explain how it happened, the physics, the sequence, the medical cause, but there’s no ‘why’ that satisfies reason or compassion. To see purpose in that kind of pain, you’d have to believe in a higher power who planned every scream, every breath, every second of suffering, and called it meaningful.

The ridiculous explanation I’ve often heard, especially from Christians, is that God has nothing to do with the suffering in this world. To that, I usually say: if you know the God of all that’s good, maybe you should go looking for the God of all that’s bad, and introduce the two.

To answer this question, let’s start with something else, not a human tragedy, but the death of an elephant.

Another elephant from the same herd comes across the corpse. It stops. It mourns. It touches the dead body with its trunk. Other elephants gather, doing the same, and for days they linger. One begins to cover the body with foliage, another assists. They eventually leave, but sometimes return to the spot.

Elephants clearly experience grief-- measurable through behavioral and hormonal responses -- and display empathy across individuals and even species. Yet despite their deep emotional intelligence, they do not ask why their companion died.

That’s because the human "why" isn’t merely causal (“A causes B”), but teleological--we want events to have purpose. We can describe the physics or biology of death, but our linguistic minds repackage causation into meaning. Complex language lets us construct abstractions that go far beyond experience--a powerful tool in science, but also the root of our metaphysical confusion. The same mechanism that enables abstraction in mathematics or philosophy also generates misplaced abstractions in moral stereotypes, conspiracy thinking, and theology.

So perhaps the “why” isn’t a metaphysical question at all. It’s a linguistic one--a product of how symbolic brains evolved to compress and generalize the world. Other intelligent species (like elephants, dolphins, or corvids) grieve and learn causality, but without recursive symbolic language, they do not imagine "purpose."

When a child dies, the grief is amplified not only by empathy but by expectation--the narrative that a child should live longer. A few centuries ago, when child mortality was common, grief was still real but perhaps less entwined with cosmic injustice. In modern societies, where we expect long life and emotional fulfillment, tragedy feels anomalous, intolerable, and in need of explanation.

Thus, the “why” emerges as cognitive dissonance against a backdrop of some organized philosophy of meaning, i.e. religion. A "patch" is needed to repair the cognitive dissonance. Religious excuses offer ready-made patches: the belief in a benevolent higher power whose plans, however cruel, are purposeful. Or "mysterious." Or "you will see them in Heaven one day." Logically, this resolves nothing--but psychologically, it soothes.

So what is god?

God is the ultimate abstraction--the final "why" layered atop all other whys. The endpoint of our recursive search for meaning, the personification of causation itself. The benevolent version comforts; the punitive version controls. But either way, god functions as both explanation and anesthesia--the illusion that there is a reason where there is only cause. And even when the illusion results in a massive contradictory network of data, the emotional need can be too strong to let go.

In case this reality sounds too cynical, I will add that purpose can exist. It is just subjective, not a metaphysical truth of the Universe. We can all find purpose and meaning in life by deciding what we value and making personal goals. As humans with empathy, those goals can be compassionate and we can seek our own happiness in our lifetimes.
 
And that's what we all do, because there's no intrinsic purpose to the universe. Atheists and theists both supply their own life purpose. Atheists just affirm that we're doing it.
 
Reality has a double aspect. On the one hand, there are reason, evolution and order. On the other, there are the irrational, entropy and chaos. These aspects are complementary: the one cannot exist without the other. However, it is the destiny of mankind to embrace reason over the irrational, evolution over entropy and order over chaos.

To him who looks upon the world rationally, the world in its turn presents a rational aspect. The relation is mutual.--Hegel

It is the destiny of mankind to go extinct.
This is the dominant view today. It permeates science, politics and business. Accelerationists actually want to bring it about. It feeds indifference to destruction of the biosphere and it offers vain fantasies of off-world colonies. It creates apathy, depression and hopelessness. It is functionally identical to end-times doctrines of religion.
 
Reality has a double aspect. On the one hand, there are reason, evolution and order. On the other, there are the irrational, entropy and chaos. These aspects are complementary: the one cannot exist without the other. However, it is the destiny of mankind to embrace reason over the irrational, evolution over entropy and order over chaos.

To him who looks upon the world rationally, the world in its turn presents a rational aspect. The relation is mutual.--Hegel

It is the destiny of mankind to go extinct.
This is the dominant view today. It permeates science, politics and business. Accelerationists actually want to bring it about. It feeds indifference to destruction of the biosphere and it offers vain fantasies of off-world colonies. It creates apathy, depression and hopelessness. It is functionally identical to end-times doctrines of religion.

It still happens to be true.
 
^It is a flight from truth. The truth is that mankind is eternal and is destined to attain to reason, moral autonomy and unity with the infinite intellect, ie. God.
 
^It is a flight from truth. The truth is that mankind is eternal and is destined to attain to reason, moral autonomy and unity with the infinite intellect, ie. God.

Evidence?

This is the conceit of humankind, that we are special and that there is a telos to reality and we are at the center of it. In fact we are just another evolved species, no more special than any other, and in due course all will vanish.
 
^It is a flight from truth. The truth is that mankind is eternal and is destined to attain to reason, moral autonomy and unity with the infinite intellect, ie. God.

Evidence?

This is the conceit of humankind, that we are special and that there is a telos to reality and we are at the center of it. In fact we are just another evolved species, no more special than any other, and in due course all will vanish.
Evidence?

Mankind is the endpoint of evolution, which is a process of ever greater integration, rationality and unity with the ultimate.
 
This exaltation of mankind is pretty nauseating. Personally I prefer dogs, cats, elephants and crows.
In rejecting reason, man tries to revert to an animal state. He is not, however, an animal, and in trying to become one, he destroys himself. And coincidentally, mankind's rejection of his own destiny also entails wholesale destruction of all other life-forms.
 
This exaltation of mankind is pretty nauseating. Personally I prefer dogs, cats, elephants and crows.
In rejecting reason, man tries to revert to an animal state. He is not, however, an animal, and in trying to become one, he destroys himself.

You are the one rejecting reason for irrational fantasy and a baseless belief in telos and in some undefined “ultimate.”

Man is an animal. We are a member of the great apes, and related by common descent to all other living entities.
 
Great apes: humans, orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees and bonobos.
Unlike the apes, mankind has reason, the ability to reflect upon himself and all other forms of being and situate them in the context of the unity of the whole of existence. To abdicate from reason means to denigrate other forms of being to the point of exterminating them.
 
Fuck humanity. We garden slugs are the endpoint of evolution. You only miss this truth because you're not a slug. Can you retract your eyes, if something dangerous is coming at you? We can. Can you produce mucus, so that you can glide effortlessly about? We can. Zero stress in our lives -- did you notice? We never rush. We take our time, very zen. We can live on nothing but decayed leaves, which are yummy, so you'll be starving at some point and we'll still have a banquet. We're hermaphrodites, it's all good -- we get it on with all other slugs, even Marxist slugs. (Bolshie slugs believe in centralizing the decayed leaf supply, which makes no sense whatever, since the supply is endless. But Bolshies gonna Bolshie, right?)
We had a Bible, but it stayed out in the rain, and...a couple of the young'uns ate it. No one misses it. It had the four gospels: Mollusk, Mold, Leaves and Jasmine (yum.) But it was pretty dumb, and the slug Messiah simply got stuck on a trellis for three days but then slimed his way down to the ground. Some miracle.
Eat a leaf.
 
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