Would You Choose to Live in Heaven?

[Rhea]

Heaven is a one fits all... whether or not each individual imagined differently. Like er.. "A nice surprise - there are more varieties of trees in the garden than we could ever have imagined."

“One size fits all.”
Raise your hand if you’ve every been completely happpy wiha one-size-fits-all product.

...This is why I thought to leave it earlier because you were faffing about asking for something just short of forensic details, i.e. avoiding. I was sort of doing you a favour, so you needn't give an answer, which seemed to me, you found a little difficultly.

I have no idea what this paragraph means at all.

(and the crux of the question btw: was about Living under Jesus's rule)

“Living Under Jesus’ Rule”
What does that even mean?

 

[DBT]

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Going a little more in-depth, everyone is family ...

That's what my old boss used to say. "We're all family here." Having heard stories about his family I knew that wasn't going to work out particularly well. The simple message is that loyalty is all that matters even at the need to sacrifice your own personal integrity.

Yahweh tells Abraham to sacrifice his own son but then stops him at the last second, like some fucked up hidden camera prank show, just to test the loyalty of a follower.

Something He should already know, being omniscient, the event reduced to a game, like a child burning ants with a magnifying glass for amusement.

 

[Treedbear]

Yahweh tells Abraham to sacrifice his own son but then stops him at the last second, like some fucked up hidden camera prank show, just to test the loyalty of a follower.

Something He should already know, being omniscient, the event reduced to a game, like a child burning ants with a magnifying glass for amusement.

I knew there was a reason I liked you DBT.

 

[Learner]

I see your dilemma. There are a lot of family members of mine that are no longer here now. As sad as it is not seeing them... I can cope with it. People usually do.

cope with it = “Joy, bliss, nirvana, no sadness”
I am learning so much new vocabulary from this!

Oh. Shit. Wait.

As sad as it is not seeing them

No sadness. TILT !!!

If I can cope with it on this earth, what more in heaven among Divine comforters eh?

 

[Learner]

Thats the difference then isn't it? I don't agree with your theological representation. As your post portrays.. It's not for you. But cheers, you've answered the OP question.

Going a little more in-depth, everyone is family in heaven. The emphasis on that (the treating each individual as your brother and sister etc.) is throughout the bible. Context relationship.. God & Jesus ARE your kin!

LOL, "everyone is family in heaven", except, you know, your actual family and friends who aren't there because your new daddy torched them out of existence.

Shouldn't you at least respect and honour their descisions not to be there?

New daddy? LOL It's the BIG Daddy. Hint...Creation.

 

[Learner]

...
Going a little more in-depth, everyone is family ...

That's what my old boss used to say. "We're all family here." Having heard stories about his family I knew that wasn't going to work out particularly well. The simple message is that loyalty is all that matters even at the need to sacrifice your own personal integrity.

No probs with the above. With Jesus and His way (contained in His message), there has to be humility etc..

 

[Learner]

“One size fits all.”
Raise your hand if you’ve every been completely happpy wiha one-size-fits-all product.

Eating strawberries and ice-cream, and 'not a Bully in sight to take it from you?' Come on now, what's not to like about that?

I have no idea what this paragraph means at all.

Nevermind.

“Living Under Jesus’ Rule”
What does that even mean?

In context: Jesus as Ruler maybe conflicting with your (plural) preferred way of life. Hence the Yes or No answer - living under His rule.

I was trying to highlight why it may be difficult for some people to say yes.

You don't neccesarily have to believe Jesus exists to answer, contrary to what some posters think in terms of HYPOTHETICAL. IF knowing what Jesus says to do, and not to do from the NT. One could make some assessment from the texts and say No, because Jesus & commandments etc.. conflicts with that individual's own ideal world.

 

[skepticalbip]

Eating strawberries and ice-cream, and 'not a Bully in sight to take it from you?' Come on now, what's not to like about that?

There is a lot to dislike there for those who are lactose intolerant and have an allergy to strawberries.

 

[bilby]

Thats the difference then isn't it? I don't agree with your theological representation. As your post portrays.. It's not for you. But cheers, you've answered the OP question.

Going a little more in-depth, everyone is family in heaven. The emphasis on that (the treating each individual as your brother and sister etc.) is throughout the bible. Context relationship.. God & Jesus ARE your kin!

LOL, "everyone is family in heaven", except, you know, your actual family and friends who aren't there because your new daddy torched them out of existence.

Shouldn't you at least respect and honour their descisions not to be there?

New daddy? LOL It's the BIG Daddy. Hint...Creation.

Shirley Crabtree?

 

[Treedbear]

...
Going a little more in-depth, everyone is family ...

That's what my old boss used to say. "We're all family here." Having heard stories about his family I knew that wasn't going to work out particularly well. The simple message is that loyalty is all that matters even at the need to sacrifice your own personal integrity.

No probs with the above. With Jesus and His way (contained in His message), there has to be humility etc..

The line between humility and arrogance can be surprisingly thin.

 

[Learner]

I'm not so sure about there being a thin line between the two. But I do hope to gain more humility and become less arrogant.

 

[Lion IRC]

...
Going a little more in-depth, everyone is family ...

That's what my old boss used to say. "We're all family here." Having heard stories about his family I knew that wasn't going to work out particularly well. The simple message is that loyalty is all that matters even at the need to sacrifice your own personal integrity.

Yahweh tells Abraham to sacrifice his own son...

No. God tells Abraham to OFFER his son. God does not tell Abraham to actually sacrifice Isaac.

...but then stops him at the last second.

No. Abraham knew all along that he could trust God would not take the life of Isaac. The text plainly states that Abraham knew God would provide the sacrifice. (See Genesis 15:5 and Genesis 22:7-8)

 

[Atheos]

Wow.

Genesis 22:1-2 - And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

 

[bigfield]

The NIV makes it plain as day:

Genesis 22:2 - Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, whom you love--Isaac--and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you."

 

[ideologyhunter]

It's also consonant with a bushel of Bible narratives that deal with the slaughter or sacrifice of children: the flood, in which all the fetuses, babies, and children of earth were killed; the tenth plague; the multiple genocides in Joshua, which are often specifically narrated with infanticide as a theme; Absalom dying for David's sin; the grotesque story of Jepthah's daughter (she doesn't even get named); all of Job's kids by his (also dead) wife #1; of course God "sacrificing" his own son, although, being God, he still has his son...I'm sure there's more.

 

[Lion IRC]

So, in Learner's theological POV, could you explain a few more details about this 'hell' and who goes there?

Based on previous form, Learner probably imagines a fire-and-brimstone Hell, like this:

Basically, this is what Jesus does to you if you aren't willing to buy his pig in a poke.

Heaven is not a pig in a poke. Its an idiotic analogy because you don't buy your way into heaven.

 

[Lion IRC]

Wow.

Genesis 22:1-2 - And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Ah...you see?
It says offer him.

Did you also read the part where Isaac asks Abraham where the sacrifice is? Abraham doesn't say..."don't be stupid Isaac, you are the sacrifice."

No, he reassures Isaac that God will provide the sacrifice....which of course God does.

 

[Lion IRC]

Good thing they don't let atheists teach the bible.

...well, I suppose there's still a lot of atheists masquerading as clergy. #fraudsters
https://clergyproject.org/nonbelieving-clergy-join/

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I'm not so sure about there being a thin line between the two. But I do hope to gain more humility and become less arrogant.

But how exactly is god less arrogant?

 

[DBT]

Good thing they don't let atheists teach the bible.

...well, I suppose there's still a lot of atheists masquerading as clergy. #fraudsters
https://clergyproject.org/nonbelieving-clergy-join/

You may have overlooked context, ignoring verses where God orders killings that are carried out. The man gathering sticks on a Sabbath, for example.

These are bronze age morality tales, telling the people of the time to obey or face the consequences. Reward and punishment, carrot and stick.......