ALL LIVES MATTER

[ruby sparks]

Imo, that's a very regrettable and unhelpful attitude given what was done and said in this case.

You mean what was said.

No, I mean what was done and said. I'm taking into account that the people saying the things you are not in the least bit concerned about are saying them about a man and a woman who were, it seems, guilty of nothing more than sitting in their car doing their job, and who were shot in what appears to be attempted cold-blooded murder.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Imo, that's a very regrettable and unhelpful attitude given what was done and said in this case.

You mean what was said.

No, I mean what was done and said. I'm taking into account that the people saying the things you are not in the least bit concerned about are saying them about a man and a woman who were, it seems, guilty of nothing more than sitting in their car doing their job and who were shot in what appears to be attempted cold-blooded murder.

Yea, but all cops are bad and deserve 40 lashes!

 

[Angry Floof]

Imo, that's a very regrettable and unhelpful attitude given what was done and said in this case.

You mean what was said.

No, I mean what was done and said. I'm taking into account that the people saying the things you are not in the least bit concerned about are saying them about a man and a woman who were, it seems, guilty of nothing more than sitting in their car doing their job and who were shot in what appears to be attempted cold-blooded murder.

Then we're not talking about the same thing and so I don't understand your response to my previous comment. I'm talking about criticizing protesters. I do not care one bit about what black people say about cops who got shot by black people (if that's the case) as long as police continue to murder black people in the street for sport.

 

[ruby sparks]

I do not care one bit about what black people say about cops who got shot by black people (if that's the case) as long as police continue to murder black people in the street for sport.

Yes that's what I thought you were saying, which is why I said I thought it was regrettable and unhelpful in this case. And I was biting my tongue a bit. Quite honestly, I think it's appalling.

 

[Angry Floof]

I do not care one bit about what black people say about cops who got shot by black people (if that's the case) as long as police continue to murder black people in the street for sport.

Yes that's what I thought you were saying, which is why I said I thought it was regrettable and unhelpful in this case. And I was biting my tongue a bit. Quite honestly, I think it's appalling.

What is appalling exactly?

 

[Swammerdami]

if we didn't have to worry about getting Trump reelected.​

Saying that there needs to be a cultural shift and scaring them about funding into changing would be a rational thing if we didn't have to worry about getting Trump reelected.

I liked and agreed with your entire post, but this one sentence should be bold-faced, underlined and in a larger font. There is great danger that the "woke" folk will win some battles, but cause a backlash that will help the Kremlin-GOP win the War for the Soul of America on November 3.

 

[Harry Bosch]

if we didn't have to worry about getting Trump reelected.​

Saying that there needs to be a cultural shift and scaring them about funding into changing would be a rational thing if we didn't have to worry about getting Trump reelected.

I liked and agreed with your entire post, but this one sentence should be bold-faced, underlined and in a larger font. There is great danger that the "woke" folk will win some battles, but cause a backlash that will help the Kremlin-GOP win the War for the Soul of America on November 3.

Of course there's going to be a backlash. We're already seeing it. Trump's poll numbers are going up. I agree with many of Don's posts. But you agreed with his entire post? I think that the defund movement is doomed to failure because the movement is so nebulous and cavalier about how it would address fairness while allowing the police to protect people. Sending psychologists into dangerous unpredictable domestic disputes is an idea that most people see as just silly and unworkable. People with the privilege of living in nice comfy crime free households don't have to worry about the police being available to help them if needed. But there are many people who don't have that privilege. And the protests and the defund movement is pushing them back to the republican fold.

 

[Angry Floof]

if we didn't have to worry about getting Trump reelected.​

Saying that there needs to be a cultural shift and scaring them about funding into changing would be a rational thing if we didn't have to worry about getting Trump reelected.

I liked and agreed with your entire post, but this one sentence should be bold-faced, underlined and in a larger font. There is great danger that the "woke" folk will win some battles, but cause a backlash that will help the Kremlin-GOP win the War for the Soul of America on November 3.

Of course there's going to be a backlash. We're already seeing it. Trump's poll numbers are going up. I agree with many of Don's posts. But you agreed with his entire post? I think that the defund movement is doomed to failure because the movement is so nebulous and cavalier about how it would address fairness while allowing the police to protect people. Sending psychologists into dangerous unpredictable domestic disputes is an idea that most people see as just silly and unworkable. People with the privilege of living in nice comfy crime free households don't have to worry about the police being available to help them if needed. But there are many people who don't have that privilege. And the protests and the defund movement is pushing them back to the republican fold.

Another side of oblivious privilege is when white affluent people don't bother to ask people in those neighborhoods just why it is that they so often do NOT want police coming into their neighborhood.

Of course, from that privileged view, you can also say without the slightest irony that all incidents where police are called actually need police. People with all kinds of problems that do not require police end up being harassed, brutalized, or murdered by police who were not needed to begin with.

The defund movement is about policing what needs policing and no more, and not every single incident treated as a dangerous crime.

You're right - it is very easy from a position of privilege to think that every neighborhood benefits from police "protection."

 

[Harry Bosch]

Of course there's going to be a backlash. We're already seeing it. Trump's poll numbers are going up. I agree with many of Don's posts. But you agreed with his entire post? I think that the defund movement is doomed to failure because the movement is so nebulous and cavalier about how it would address fairness while allowing the police to protect people. Sending psychologists into dangerous unpredictable domestic disputes is an idea that most people see as just silly and unworkable. People with the privilege of living in nice comfy crime free households don't have to worry about the police being available to help them if needed. But there are many people who don't have that privilege. And the protests and the defund movement is pushing them back to the republican fold.

Another side of oblivious privilege is when white affluent people don't bother to ask people in those neighborhoods just why it is that they so often do NOT want police coming into their neighborhood.

Of course, from that privileged view, you can also say without the slightest irony that all incidents where police are called actually need police. People with all kinds of problems that do not require police end up being harassed, brutalized, or murdered by police who were not needed to begin with.

The defund movement is about policing what needs policing and no more, and not every single incident treated as a dangerous crime.

You're right - it is very easy from a position of privilege to think that every neighborhood benefits from police "protection."

While I hope to be affluent someday! But I'm not white. So, I don't think that I fit your definition of a privileged person. I come from one of the most crime infested areas in the country. And I can tell you that often poor people need and want the police. In fact, often times we would complain that the police are hard to find in emergency situations in poorer areas. Let me ask you this question, when people call 9-11 due to a domestic disturbance, who do you think they assume will come?

 

[Angry Floof]

Of course there's going to be a backlash. We're already seeing it. Trump's poll numbers are going up. I agree with many of Don's posts. But you agreed with his entire post? I think that the defund movement is doomed to failure because the movement is so nebulous and cavalier about how it would address fairness while allowing the police to protect people. Sending psychologists into dangerous unpredictable domestic disputes is an idea that most people see as just silly and unworkable. People with the privilege of living in nice comfy crime free households don't have to worry about the police being available to help them if needed. But there are many people who don't have that privilege. And the protests and the defund movement is pushing them back to the republican fold.

Another side of oblivious privilege is when white affluent people don't bother to ask people in those neighborhoods just why it is that they so often do NOT want police coming into their neighborhood.

Of course, from that privileged view, you can also say without the slightest irony that all incidents where police are called actually need police. People with all kinds of problems that do not require police end up being harassed, brutalized, or murdered by police who were not needed to begin with.

The defund movement is about policing what needs policing and no more, and not every single incident treated as a dangerous crime.

You're right - it is very easy from a position of privilege to think that every neighborhood benefits from police "protection."

While I hope to be affluent someday! But I'm not white. So, I don't think that I fit your definition of a privileged person. I come from one of the most crime infested areas in the country. And I can tell you that often poor people need and want the police. In fact, often times we would complain that the police are hard to find in emergency situations in poorer areas. Let me ask you this question, when people call 9-11 due to a domestic disturbance, who do you think they assume will come?

Well, of course they expect the police. Most neighborhoods, the vast majority I would say, don't have any alternative. That doesn't mean police are wanted or are the right solution when help is needed. Some cities like Denver are now instituting alternatives to police in responding to 911 calls, something that should have been done before US law enforcement decided to take up murdering black people for sport.

Once again, "defund" doesn't mean getting rid of police. It just means taking away from them the roles that they are not qualified for, especially those where their presence is almost guaranteed to escalate problems rather than help.

 

[Gospel]

I do not care one bit about what black people say about cops who got shot by black people (if that's the case) as long as police continue to murder black people in the street for sport.

Yes that's what I thought you were saying, which is why I said I thought it was regrettable and unhelpful in this case. And I was biting my tongue a bit. Quite honestly, I think it's appalling.

What is appalling exactly?

I think it's the part where you seem to be saying it's not OK for police to murder black people and as long as they continue to do so, it's OK for black people to murder police. That's appalling.

Edit: Changed the second murder from kill to murder. I think I had to make that distinction, since I personally would be fine with an officer who unjustly threatens to shoot anyone being shot in self defense as a result.

 

[Angry Floof]

What is appalling exactly?

I think it's the part where you seem to be saying it's not OK for police to murder black people and as long as they continue to do so, it's OK for black people to murder police. That's appalling.

Edit: Changed the second murder from kill to murder. I think I had to make that distinction, since I personally would be fine with an officer who unjustly threatens to shoot anyone being shot in self defense as a result.

Except that's not what I said. Nowhere did I say it's ok to murder cops under any circumstances.

 

[Gospel]

What is appalling exactly?

I think it's the part where you seem to be saying it's not OK for police to murder black people and as long as they continue to do so, it's OK for black people to murder police. That's appalling.

Edit: Changed the second murder from kill to murder. I think I had to make that distinction, since I personally would be fine with an officer who unjustly threatens to shoot anyone being shot in self defense as a result.

Except that's not what I said. Nowhere did I say it's ok to murder cops under any circumstances.

I was so convinced that's what you said because of the use of the word appalling to describe it. You're only trying to get ruby to understand that having issues with the protesters wishing death on the injured officers with words is less of a grievance than the protesters issues with black people getting killed with guns. It seems to be an empathy problem.

 

[Angry Floof]

Except that's not what I said. Nowhere did I say it's ok to murder cops under any circumstances.

I was so convinced that's what you said because of the use of the word appalling to describe it. You're only trying to get ruby to understand that having issues with the protesters wishing death on the injured officers with words is less of a grievance than the protesters issues with black people getting killed with guns. It seems to be an empathy problem.

Sure, whatever you say. I mean, he could just read my post and not insert his own additional information into it.

 

[Testy Calibrate]

What is appalling exactly?

I think it's the part where you seem to be saying it's not OK for police to murder black people and as long as they continue to do so, it's OK for black people to murder police. That's appalling.

Edit: Changed the second murder from kill to murder. I think I had to make that distinction, since I personally would be fine with an officer who unjustly threatens to shoot anyone being shot in self defense as a result.

Except that's not what I said. Nowhere did I say it's ok to murder cops under any circumstances.

there are always shades of gray

 

[Angry Floof]

Except that's not what I said. Nowhere did I say it's ok to murder cops under any circumstances.

there are always shades of gray

People are outraged that black people protest outside of a hospital where cops who were shot are recovering. No matter how awful or wrong a given instance of a shooting actually is, it's irrelevant to the specific problem of cops murdering black people in the streets for sport.

 

[Trausti]

Except that's not what I said. Nowhere did I say it's ok to murder cops under any circumstances.

there are always shades of gray

People are outraged that black people protest outside of a hospital where cops who were shot are recovering. No matter how awful or wrong a given instance of a shooting actually is, it's irrelevant to the specific problem of cops murdering black people in the streets for sport.

You'll be happy to know that cops aren't doing that.

 

[Angry Floof]

People are outraged that black people protest outside of a hospital where cops who were shot are recovering. No matter how awful or wrong a given instance of a shooting actually is, it's irrelevant to the specific problem of cops murdering black people in the streets for sport.

You'll be happy to know that cops aren't doing that.

Yeah, that's the ticket!

 

[Jarhyn]

People are outraged that black people protest outside of a hospital where cops who were shot are recovering. No matter how awful or wrong a given instance of a shooting actually is, it's irrelevant to the specific problem of cops murdering black people in the streets for sport.

You'll be happy to know that cops aren't doing that.

Yeah, that's the ticket!

I really wonder then what Trausti thinks those Executioner tattoos are about? That is if they aren't about killing people, and as they seem to be keeping score, doing so for sport.

 

[Trausti]

Yeah, that's the ticket!

I really wonder then what Trausti thinks those Executioner tattoos are about? That is if they aren't about killing people, and as they seem to be keeping score, doing so for sport.

Sorry to disrupt your loonie asylum, but cops are not shooting black people in the street for sport. Statistics and reality don't bear that out. But when you make such inflamed and irresponsible allegations, you get the cops shot in Compton. Knock it off.