Social Justice out of control

[thebeave]

It is getting a bit out of hand, yes.

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1281023987242487808

I don't think it is anywhere close to as bad as the news media make it seem. They show people who have visceral hated for anyone who disagrees with them and many with apparently deep self loathing problems. These are unbalanced people who are a danger to others and themselves. I have seen absolutely no one in real life like these nuts so I can only conclude that they are a fringe minority that the news hypes for the clicks they will get.

Like you, I don't know anyone in real life like these lunatics either. I guess that means we tend to hang out with rational, sensible people. But, they are out there and do have the power to destroy, which is worrisome to me. Just came across this:

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/sdge-worker-fired-over-alleged-racist-gesture-says-he-was-cracking-knuckles/2347414/

There are actually a number of ridiculous cases like this. A tennis commentator recently lost his job for saying Venus Williams was using "guerilla tactics" in her playing style, and a journalist interpreted it as "gorilla tactics", and assumed he was being racist. The whole thing reminds me of those old Ghosthunter stories where people run screaming from the haunted house yelling "Ghosts!!!" when the house was just creaking, drafty or had bad electrical problems.

 

[repoman]

Large corporations control of social media and bank transfers (Mastercard and so on) are fully behind this for one reason that I think almost no one is considering.

The large amount of natural resistence to immigration rates and temporary immigration (H1B etc) will affect them directly. Less people coming in the US and Europe means less growth, less money coming in to pay for investments on recent and current construction, less new housing starts. Also, tech companies have a direct conflict of interest to keep H1Bs off the table of discussion.

 

[lpetrich]

"Slave" is in the context of "master/slave networking" and similar. When I learned of that usage, I found it rather odd, because "slave" is usually considered a demeaning sort of status."Master/servant" would be nicer, since being a servant is a much less demeaning status. There has to be some simple way of stating a command hierarchy here.


As to "blacklist" vs "whitelist", "blocklist" and "allowlist" seems more neutral. "Enemylist" and "friendlist" is another possibility. I've seen "watchlist" in a different context.


As to black and dark being bad and white and light being good, I think that that is a result of what is easier to see -- one can't see very much without a lot of light in one's surrounded. One can't see very much in a dark environment.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

"Slave" is in the context of "master/slave networking" and similar. When I learned of that usage, I found it rather odd, because "slave" is usually considered a demeaning sort of status."Master/servant" would be nicer, since being a servant is a much less demeaning status. There has to be some simple way of stating a command hierarchy here.


As to "blacklist" vs "whitelist", "blocklist" and "allowlist" seems more neutral. "Enemylist" and "friendlist" is another possibility. I've seen "watchlist" in a different context.


As to black and dark being bad and white and light being good, I think that that is a result of what is easier to see -- one can't see very much without a lot of light in one's surrounded. One can't see very much in a dark environment.

And dark is generally the criminal's friend, whereas crime has a hard time hiding in the light.

 

[repoman]

so, there are a few times when connotations of light and pale means sickly, anemic and darker skin color is associated more with health and vitality.

But there was also a consumption (tuberculosis) chic for some loony reason

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-tuberculosis-shaped-victorian-fashion-180959029/

 

[lpetrich]

Another bit of negative whiteness is "whitebread", meaning plain and bland.

 

[fromderinside]

Oh. You mean the kind of bread a big Greek would crush down to a one inch ball then polish it off in two bites interspersed with thee slugs of ouzo? What's so negative about that? Think Mother country.

 

[lpetrich]

This issue reminds me of a certain issue about CPU instructions. A bad one is sometimes called "illegal", and I've seen that name criticized as intimidating. "Invalid" would be a good substitute. I recall that one CPU architecture has one instruction permanently named "Illegal", meaning that if one wants to test its response to invalid instructions, one can always use that one.

 

[fromderinside]

Oh. Bad memories. Back in the day, early eighties, presented a real problem with validating time and process critical code. If memory has consistent failure one might get the wrong command signal from operator input. We had a lot of trouble at DoD SSSAs validating SW changes in the presence of memory substrate issues in ECM systems. The fix, more frequent replacement of memory and memory interfaces with CPU. Automated SW validation procedures were incapable of detecting memory failures without change out of memory modules.

 

[DrZoidberg]

"Slave" is in the context of "master/slave networking" and similar. When I learned of that usage, I found it rather odd, because "slave" is usually considered a demeaning sort of status."Master/servant" would be nicer, since being a servant is a much less demeaning status. There has to be some simple way of stating a command hierarchy here.


As to "blacklist" vs "whitelist", "blocklist" and "allowlist" seems more neutral. "Enemylist" and "friendlist" is another possibility. I've seen "watchlist" in a different context.


As to black and dark being bad and white and light being good, I think that that is a result of what is easier to see -- one can't see very much without a lot of light in one's surrounded. One can't see very much in a dark environment.

The point is clarity. How isn't Master/servant as demeaning? I'd argue that slave is more appropriate since a slave drive has to obey the master drive or it won't work. A servant always has the option to fuck off at any moment. A slave drive is in no way an indipendent unit. Which is what we're trying to communicate. I think it's a great metaphor. Very clear.

 

[fromderinside]

I'm pretty sure that an apt onto description of a process relation "Master/Slave" is outside one's need for the social comfort of Euphemizing it to "Master/Servant".

 

[DrZoidberg]

I'm pretty sure that an apt onto description of a process relation "Master/Slave" is outside one's need for the social comfort of Euphemizing it to "Master/Servant".

Yeah, it's newspeak. I also doubt that anybody is truly offended. Why would they, unless they're completely derranged.

 

[J842P]

I'm pretty sure that an apt onto description of a process relation "Master/Slave" is outside one's need for the social comfort of Euphemizing it to "Master/Servant".

Yeah, it's newspeak. I also doubt that anybody is truly offended. Why would they, unless they're completely derranged.

There's an entire generation of people being indoctrinated into this derangement. Believe me, it's real.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I'm pretty sure that an apt onto description of a process relation "Master/Slave" is outside one's need for the social comfort of Euphemizing it to "Master/Servant".

Yeah, it's newspeak. I also doubt that anybody is truly offended. Why would they, unless they're completely derranged.

There's an entire generation of people being indoctrinated into this derangement. Believe me, it's real.

Which is why I think it's important not to give in. To stick to the master/slave nomenclature, just to stop this before it spreads further. It's already silly. it's going to get sillier.

 

[Bomb#20]

Which is why I think it's important not to give in. To stick to the master/slave nomenclature, just to stop this before it spreads further. It's already silly. it's going to get sillier.

Ottoman Empire customs officials once blocked an import shipment of electric generators because the manifest contained the phrase "revolutions per minute". History repeats itself, Engels tells us, once as grand tragedy and the second time as rotten farce.

 

[Jokodo]

"Slave" is in the context of "master/slave networking" and similar. When I learned of that usage, I found it rather odd, because "slave" is usually considered a demeaning sort of status."Master/servant" would be nicer, since being a servant is a much less demeaning status. There has to be some simple way of stating a command hierarchy here.


As to "blacklist" vs "whitelist", "blocklist" and "allowlist" seems more neutral. "Enemylist" and "friendlist" is another possibility. I've seen "watchlist" in a different context.


As to black and dark being bad and white and light being good, I think that that is a result of what is easier to see -- one can't see very much without a lot of light in one's surrounded. One can't see very much in a dark environment.

The point is clarity. How isn't Master/servant as demeaning? I'd argue that slave is more appropriate since a slave drive has to obey the master drive or it won't work. A servant always has the option to fuck off at any moment. A slave drive is in no way an indipendent unit. Which is what we're trying to communicate. I think it's a great metaphor. Very clear.

And "gaschamber" is an apt metaphor for /dev/null: nothing that goes there ever comes back.

Yet somehow I don't see us picking that up as official terminology: most people with a brain understand that doing so would trivialize the holocaust.

But some people, otherwise appearing to be equipped with a brain, fail to understand that using "slave/master" can be in a fully parallel fashion seen as trivializing slavery.

That's actually quite deranged, to borrow your word.

 

[Copernicus]

It is foolish to argue over the "master/slave" usage, because it exists in technical jargon that is used internationally. It is in countless contracts, specifications, instructions, warranties, and other legal documentation. Most people could care less about this issue, and it would take a lot of people caring for linguistic usage to start to change.

 

[Jokodo]

It is foolish to argue over the "master/slave" usage, because it exists in technical jargon that is used internationally. It is in countless contracts, specifications, instructions, warranties, and other legal documentation. Most people could care less about this issue, and it would take a lot of people caring for linguistic usage to start to change.

Some people do care, and calling them deranged just because you gont is , well, ironically, rather deranged.

 

[southernhybrid]

It is foolish to argue over the "master/slave" usage, because it exists in technical jargon that is used internationally. It is in countless contracts, specifications, instructions, warranties, and other legal documentation. Most people could care less about this issue, and it would take a lot of people caring for linguistic usage to start to change.

Some people do care, and calling them deranged just because you gont is , well, ironically, rather deranged.

Where did he call them deranged? Copernicus said that most, not all people don't care about this. I think he's right. He was just explaining how difficult it would be to change some of the terms that offend a small percentage of people.

It would be really helpful if people would communicate more effectively and actually listen to each other. Imo, it would be better to use our energy to try and change how people treat each other, and work to change the systemic racism in our system, instead of spending so much time worrying about words that aren't even being used to describe humans.

As individuals, we can avoid using certain terms and words to describe groups of people. We can all do that, but if slave/master are used to describe something that has no relationship to humans, it does seem a bit extreme, even to me, a person who always tries not to use offensive terms when it comes to actual humans. But, to use an old cliche' "actions speak louder than words".

 

[skepticalbip]

It is foolish to argue over the "master/slave" usage, because it exists in technical jargon that is used internationally. It is in countless contracts, specifications, instructions, warranties, and other legal documentation. Most people could care less about this issue, and it would take a lot of people caring for linguistic usage to start to change.

Some people do care, and calling them deranged just because you gont is , well, ironically, rather deranged.

Where did he call them deranged? Copernicus said that most, not all people don't care about this. I think he's right. He was just explaining how difficult it would be to change some of the terms that offend a small percentage of people.

It would be really helpful if people would communicate more effectively and actually listen to each other. Imo, it would be better to use our energy to try and change how people treat each other, and work to change the systemic racism in our system, instead of spending so much time worrying about words that aren't even being used to describe humans.

As individuals, we can avoid using certain terms and words to describe groups of people. We can all do that, but if slave/master are used to describe something that has no relationship to humans, it does seem a bit extreme, even to me, a person who always tries not to use offensive terms when it comes to actual humans. But, to use an old cliche' "actions speak louder than words".

How cold and cruel you are using such an expression. I am offended... there are invalids who are incapable of actions and you are saying they don't matter as much as those are.


Just a little satirical example of those who embrace victimhood and wokeness. No words are safe from them.