Walmart and Gun Control

[starwater]

As repubs often say - let the marketplace handle issues instead of overreaching government regulations. So is Walmart's kinda sorta new request to please not carry guns into the store and reduced the selling of ammunition a marketplace response to the lack of gun control? I think it is but it's token. Are there companies that are willing to withdrawal from Texas because it's too violent. Probably not. I as a business owner have had opportunities in Texas, but its very much an OBC (Old Boys Club). I have found more opportunities in Wyoming surprisingly (as a female business owner), but I digress.

I don't think the marketplace can handle the gun violence issue. There will still be too many ways to obtain guns illegally and without laws that regulate guns - more gun violence will happen at greater frequency.,

 

[Derec]

Are there companies that are willing to withdrawal from Texas because it's too violent. Probably not.

Actually Texas doesn't have a particularly high murder rate.

Are companies going to withdraw out of South Carolina, DC, Louisiana or Missouri because they are too violent? Probably not.

 

[fast]

Just talkin’ out loud here—while I wonder if other enumerated constitutionally backed rights are given unequal consideration.

Shouldn’t my constitutionally protected right to free speech to say “good morning” not be disallowed as a condition of patronizing a business open to the public regardless of whether the marketplace acquiesces to it being acceptable?

 

[Bomb#20]

Just talkin’ out loud here—while I wonder if other enumerated constitutionally backed rights are given unequal consideration.

Shouldn’t my constitutionally protected right to free speech to say “good morning” not be disallowed as a condition of patronizing a business open to the public regardless of whether the marketplace acquiesces to it being acceptable?

Dicey. Your constitutionally protected right to free speech to say “good morning” is constitutionally protected from being infringed by the government. Not a word in the constitution about whether a business or a marketplace can penalize you for saying good morning. But where it gets dicey is that governments have been known to maneuver around constitutional prohibitions by leaning on businesses and marketplaces to do their dirty work for them, much the way they've been known to render suspects to Poland or Egypt to get around habeas corpus. Assuming Walmart is going anti-gun because they don't like guns because some schmucks shot up some Walmarts, the constitution is just fine with that -- you have rights but the Walmart owners have rights too. On the other hand, if Walmart were going anti-gun because a government put them up to it, then that would raise constitutional issues.

 

[southernhybrid]

Just talkin’ out loud here—while I wonder if other enumerated constitutionally backed rights are given unequal consideration.

Shouldn’t my constitutionally protected right to free speech to say “good morning” not be disallowed as a condition of patronizing a business open to the public regardless of whether the marketplace acquiesces to it being acceptable?

To put it very simply. The government gives you the right to free speech, but that doesn't mean that Walmart has to allow you to say whatever you want in their stores.

The government gives you the right to own a gun, assuming you aren't a criminal, but that doesn't mean that Walmart has to allow you to carry your gun into their stores.

 

[braces_for_impact]

What an incredibly bold stance by Walmart. Pfft.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Just talkin’ out loud here—while I wonder if other enumerated constitutionally backed rights are given unequal consideration.

Shouldn’t my constitutionally protected right to free speech to say “good morning” not be disallowed as a condition of patronizing a business open to the public regardless of whether the marketplace acquiesces to it being acceptable?

Why are some people so criminally negligent when it comes to understanding what a Constitutionally protected right means?

 

[starwater]

According to the AP

most firearms sales come from thousands of unaffiliated gun shops or gun shows, not big retail chains, so it’s not clear how much difference Walmart’s moves will make. About half of its more than 4,750 U.S. stores sell firearms, or only around 2% of all U.S. firearms.

It's likely that the sales from Walmart will go to the unaffiliated gun shops. Walmart is not going to decrease sales. Their move is largely symbolic. Other large retailers are following.

 

[Gun Nut]

As repubs often say - let the marketplace handle issues instead of overreaching government regulations. So is Walmart's kinda sorta new request to please not carry guns into the store and reduced the selling of ammunition a marketplace response to the lack of gun control? I think it is but it's token. Are there companies that are willing to withdrawal from Texas because it's too violent. Probably not. I as a business owner have had opportunities in Texas, but its very much an OBC (Old Boys Club). I have found more opportunities in Wyoming surprisingly (as a female business owner), but I digress.

I don't think the marketplace can handle the gun violence issue. There will still be too many ways to obtain guns illegally and without laws that regulate guns - more gun violence will happen at greater frequency.,

How about a Federal law that says stores that sell guns and / or ammo are prohibited from preventing anyone from openly (or concealed) carry on the store's property, regardless of State laws around licensing.... and that discharging a gun on such property is not a crime in itself (but injuring a person or destroying property is).
That'll give "the marketplace" something to consider when deciding if they want to be a gun merchant and handle the overhead of insanely tight security.
Don't want bullets flying around you while you shop? Go to a store that does not sell guns, then.

 

[starwater]

As repubs often say - let the marketplace handle issues instead of overreaching government regulations. So is Walmart's kinda sorta new request to please not carry guns into the store and reduced the selling of ammunition a marketplace response to the lack of gun control? I think it is but it's token. Are there companies that are willing to withdrawal from Texas because it's too violent. Probably not. I as a business owner have had opportunities in Texas, but its very much an OBC (Old Boys Club). I have found more opportunities in Wyoming surprisingly (as a female business owner), but I digress.

I don't think the marketplace can handle the gun violence issue. There will still be too many ways to obtain guns illegally and without laws that regulate guns - more gun violence will happen at greater frequency.,

How about a Federal law that says stores that sell guns and / or ammo are prohibited from preventing anyone from openly (or concealed) carry on the store's property, regardless of State laws around licensing.... and that discharging a gun on such property is not a crime in itself (but injuring a person or destroying property is).
That'll give "the marketplace" something to consider when deciding if they want to be a gun merchant and handle the overhead of insanely tight security.
Don't want bullets flying around you while you shop? Go to a store that does not sell guns, then.

Can you provide a cite to the Federal law you reference?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

As repubs often say - let the marketplace handle issues instead of overreaching government regulations. So is Walmart's kinda sorta new request to please not carry guns into the store and reduced the selling of ammunition a marketplace response to the lack of gun control? I think it is but it's token. Are there companies that are willing to withdrawal from Texas because it's too violent. Probably not. I as a business owner have had opportunities in Texas, but its very much an OBC (Old Boys Club). I have found more opportunities in Wyoming surprisingly (as a female business owner), but I digress.

I don't think the marketplace can handle the gun violence issue. There will still be too many ways to obtain guns illegally and without laws that regulate guns - more gun violence will happen at greater frequency.,

How about a Federal law that says stores that sell guns and / or ammo are prohibited from preventing anyone from openly (or concealed) carry on the store's property, regardless of State laws around licensing.... and that discharging a gun on such property is not a crime in itself (but injuring a person or destroying property is).

How about just make a law that a guy must either leave his gun or his penis in the car when entering private businesses.

 

[Gun Nut]

As repubs often say - let the marketplace handle issues instead of overreaching government regulations. So is Walmart's kinda sorta new request to please not carry guns into the store and reduced the selling of ammunition a marketplace response to the lack of gun control? I think it is but it's token. Are there companies that are willing to withdrawal from Texas because it's too violent. Probably not. I as a business owner have had opportunities in Texas, but its very much an OBC (Old Boys Club). I have found more opportunities in Wyoming surprisingly (as a female business owner), but I digress.

I don't think the marketplace can handle the gun violence issue. There will still be too many ways to obtain guns illegally and without laws that regulate guns - more gun violence will happen at greater frequency.,

How about a Federal law that says stores that sell guns and / or ammo are prohibited from preventing anyone from openly (or concealed) carry on the store's property, regardless of State laws around licensing.... and that discharging a gun on such property is not a crime in itself (but injuring a person or destroying property is).

How about just make a law that a guy must either leave his gun or his penis in the car when entering private businesses.

I never really got that penis / gun connection. When I see a rocket, I see a rocket, not a penis... that's pretty gay. When I see a gun, I see a gun, not a penis... That's not exactly what's on my mind... like ever.

Perhaps those that imagine penises when they think about anything that has any part on it that is cylindrical may have some issues to work out. <shrug>

 

[ZiprHead]

Are there companies that are willing to withdrawal from Texas because it's too violent. Probably not.

Actually Texas doesn't have a particularly high murder rate.
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That was 2012. What do you think that number will be this year?

 

[Elixir]

Are there companies that are willing to withdrawal from Texas because it's too violent. Probably not.

Actually Texas doesn't have a particularly high murder rate.
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That was 2012. What do you think that number will be this year?

Bigger. Here are some stark numbers by state for 2010 vs 2017

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

How about just make a law that a guy must either leave his gun or his penis in the car when entering private businesses.

I never really got that penis / gun connection. When I see a rocket, I see a rocket, not a penis... that's pretty gay. When I see a gun, I see a gun, not a penis... That's not exactly what's on my mind... like ever.

Perhaps those that imagine penises when they think about anything that has any part on it that is cylindrical may have some issues to work out. <shrug>

If guns are supposed to be substitute genitalia, and only those who dislike guns refer to them that way, what does it say about their desire to restrict and eliminate guns? Some sort of castration fantasy?

 

[Elixir]

How about just make a law that a guy must either leave his gun or his penis in the car when entering private businesses.

I never really got that penis / gun connection. When I see a rocket, I see a rocket, not a penis... that's pretty gay. When I see a gun, I see a gun, not a penis... That's not exactly what's on my mind... like ever.

Perhaps those that imagine penises when they think about anything that has any part on it that is cylindrical may have some issues to work out. <shrug>

If guns are supposed to be substitute genitalia, and only those who dislike guns refer to them that way, what does it say about their desire to restrict and eliminate guns? Some sort of castration fantasy?

Yeah for sure.
But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and the desire to restrict access to weapons of mass murder is just a desire to restrict access to weapons of mass murder.
I have to wonder.... outside of the NRA, how many US citizens would prefer that we return to the early thirties when there were plenty of machine guns in the streets. Why didn't the 2nd Amendment-adoring right rise up and revolt when fully automatic weapons were outlawed? Wouldn't full-auto AR15s make their precious "well-regulated militia" SO MUCH more effective?
Fucking hypocrites.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How about just make a law that a guy must either leave his gun or his penis in the car when entering private businesses.

I never really got that penis / gun connection.

You don't need to. It is a simple option. gun or penis stays in the car.

 

[starwater]

That was 2012. What do you think that number will be this year?

Bigger. Here are some stark numbers by state for 2010 vs 2017

It's interesting that Alaska is in the top five. Until recently this was the only state that Walmart still sold handguns.

 

[Elixir]

That was 2012. What do you think that number will be this year?

Bigger. Here are some stark numbers by state for 2010 vs 2017

It's interesting that Alaska is in the top five. Until recently this was the only state that Walmart still sold handguns.

What stuck me was that the number of murders per capita more than doubled in 7 years in many States. At that rate of increase, murder will not only be the leading cause of death, it will be the ONLY cause of death in 50 years!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It's interesting that Alaska is in the top five. Until recently this was the only state that Walmart still sold handguns.

What stuck me was that the number of murders per capita more than doubled in 7 years in many States. At that rate of increase, murder will not only be the leading cause of death, it will be the ONLY cause of death in 50 years!

What struck me was that New Hampshire had > 0.0 murders, yet a 0 per capita murder rate. That link has issues. First off, they list per capita numbers as percentages. Secondly, six states have a 0 per capita murder rate. The Alabama numbers seem quite off as well. US Murders aren't exploding.

Try this.