Another Day In The USA

[bilby]

It always seems that a lot of pro-gun folks view these events like they were natural disasters. Nothing you can do. Send thoughts and prayers.

Same when people die in car accidents. No one's going to ban all cars.
Same when people die in an airplane crash. No one's going to ban all airplanes.
Same when people die of obesity. No one's going to ban sugar and fatty foods.

No one is going to ban all guns.

The United Kingdom has strict gun control. It doesn't ban all guns. Indeed, when I lived there, I worked for a time for a gunsmith. We repaired shotguns for game and skeet shooters, rifles for deer stalkers, and even pistols for competition target shooters.

All of these guns were legally and privately owned. So if 'banning all guns' is the only thing you are seeking to avoid, how about the USA adopting the existing UK laws and regulations on firearms? Would that be unreasonable?

 

[Toni]

Which mass shootings were accidents?

They were not accidents.

So it is unreasonable to compare mass shootings to car accidents or plane crashes. Obesity does not happen in a matter of seconds or minutes and does not involve killing other people. So, that's also something that seems difficult to compare to mass shootings.

That was my first thought. So why include dissimilar types of events?

But, there have been people who stabbed people to death. Ban all knives? Or perhaps people should go through a background check if they attempt to buy a knife from a store?

I haven't heard a lot of call for banning all guns. Have you?

But since you brought it up, a lot of localities do have bans in effect for certain kinds of knives and certain blade lengths.

 

[laughing dog]

Which mass shootings were accidents?

They were not accidents. But, there have been people who stabbed people to death. Ban all knives? Or perhaps people should go through a background check if they attempt to buy a knife from a store?

If that is the tradeoff to get background checks for buying firearms, I'd be in favor of it.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gun-control-legislation-mitch-mcconnell-213823898.html

...
The Kentucky Republican (Moscow Mitch) has blocked gun control legislation in the Senate that had previously passed the House by wide margins. McConnell had the bills placed on the Senate calendar, rather than having them referred to a committee to potentially be passed by the full Senate. Here's what that legislation would do.
...


Why we can't have nice things.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

It always seems that a lot of pro-gun folks view these events like they were natural disasters. Nothing you can do. Send thoughts and prayers.

Same when people die in car accidents. No one's going to ban all cars.
Same when people die in an airplane crash. No one's going to ban all airplanes.
Same when people die of obesity. No one's going to ban sugar and fatty foods.

No one is going to ban all guns.

The United Kingdom has strict gun control. It doesn't ban all guns. Indeed, when I lived there, I worked for a time for a gunsmith. We repaired shotguns for game and skeet shooters, rifles for deer stalkers, and even pistols for competition target shooters.

All of these guns were legally and privately owned. So if 'banning all guns' is the only thing you are seeking to avoid, how about the USA adopting the existing UK laws and regulations on firearms? Would that be unreasonable?

Halfie isn't going to touch this one with a ten foot musket.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile, Trump three months ago:

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9AXGPo1vvM[/YOUTUBE]

The irony of him saying panhandle (Florida) when the shooting occurred in another panhandle (Texas) is biting coincidence. And in his defense he only smirked about shooting people coming up to the border, not people in the US.

 

[Patooka]

No one is going to ban all guns.

The United Kingdom has strict gun control. It doesn't ban all guns. Indeed, when I lived there, I worked for a time for a gunsmith. We repaired shotguns for game and skeet shooters, rifles for deer stalkers, and even pistols for competition target shooters.

All of these guns were legally and privately owned. So if 'banning all guns' is the only thing you are seeking to avoid, how about the USA adopting the existing UK laws and regulations on firearms? Would that be unreasonable?

Halfie isn't going to touch this one with a ten foot musket.

The irony being no one wants to take away his ten foot musket.

 

[Ford]

It always seems that a lot of pro-gun folks view these events like they were natural disasters. Nothing you can do. Send thoughts and prayers.

Same when people die in car accidents. No one's going to ban all cars.
Same when people die in an airplane crash. No one's going to ban all airplanes.
Same when people die of obesity. No one's going to ban sugar and fatty foods.

No one is going to ban all guns.

You have to remember that you're dealing with people for whom there is no middle ground. Either everyone has guns, or nobody does. Either you believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, or you're a horrible atheist person. Either you support "traditional marriage" or you're a flaming homosexual.

Middle ground? Compromise? These are alien concepts to absolutists.

 

[Patooka]

No one is going to ban all guns.

You have to remember that you're dealing with people for whom there is no middle ground. Either everyone has guns, or nobody does. Either you believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, or you're a horrible atheist person. Either you support "traditional marriage" or you're a flaming homosexual.

Middle ground? Compromise? These are alien concepts to absolutists.

You left out concentration camps, or open borders.

 

[bilby]

No one is going to ban all guns.

You have to remember that you're dealing with people for whom there is no middle ground. Either everyone has guns, or nobody does. Either you believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, or you're a horrible atheist person. Either you support "traditional marriage" or you're a flaming homosexual.

Middle ground? Compromise? These are alien concepts to absolutists.

I prefer to refer to them as simpletons. They are people who are incapable of considering any issue in any terms other than the most simple - having more than two possibilities to consider scares the shit out of them and overloads their brains.

 

[bilby]

No one is going to ban all guns.

The United Kingdom has strict gun control. It doesn't ban all guns. Indeed, when I lived there, I worked for a time for a gunsmith. We repaired shotguns for game and skeet shooters, rifles for deer stalkers, and even pistols for competition target shooters.

All of these guns were legally and privately owned. So if 'banning all guns' is the only thing you are seeking to avoid, how about the USA adopting the existing UK laws and regulations on firearms? Would that be unreasonable?

Halfie isn't going to touch this one with a ten foot musket.

The irony being no one wants to take away his ten foot musket.

Indeed. Smooth-bore weapons with one or two barrels greater than 24" long, and without a magazine, are (or at least, were when I was dealing with them back in the 1990s) covered by a simple shotgun certificate in the UK. You can apply for a shotgun certificate at any police station, and the chief constable of your county is required to grant it, unless he can show cause why you should not have access to a shotgun. You must have a secure storage location for the gun (or guns) that are listed on your certificate, and must notify police whenever you transfer possession of a shotgun to or from another certificate holder. Secure storage for the ammunition must be separate from that used for the gun(s). A simple gun lock, and a lockable ammunition box, were considered adequate in my day, though I understand that the use of chain or cable gun locks that pass through the trigger guard are no longer permitted, so a steel cabinet sufficiently long to hold his ten foot musket would probably be required.

In the case of centre-fire cartridge-loaded guns, it was usually considered adequate to remove and secure the firing pins in a locked box, so that long-arms didn't require a full length gun cabinet; However the constable who inspected my English Civil War muskets was doubtful that securing the flints for my flintlock complied with that requirement, and thought the suggestion that securing the slow match for the matchlock might also comply was hilarious.

I seriously doubt that a muzzle loading musket would be an effective weapon for a robbery. Dirty Harry would look a bit daft saying: "I know what you're thinking. 'Did he fire one shot or only none?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself"...

 

[repoman]

The Dayton shooter may have been a lefty who used "He/Him" pronouns.

 

[repoman]

Two birds...

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

It is only a little less than a year and half to election day. Lots of time for many more mass killings by right wingers with assault rifles. It will be interesting to see how this affects the 2020 elections. This will be interesting to see how it makes tight winger Republican candidates squirm, to try to slide by while doing nothing of real effectiveness. Can Moscow Mitch kill many more gun control bills? Will defection work? Will any of this matter? How will Faux, Sinclair, et al deal with it? Lush Limpbrain and Sean Insanity? Is there a tipping point?

Will FF Von Clownstick bloviate? Or will he finally tell Moscow Mitch to pull his thumb out and let bills make to the floor to be voted on?

How many days until the next mass murder with an assault rifle?

 

[bilby]

It is only a little less than a year and half to election day. Lots of time for many more mass killings by right wingers with assault rifles. It will be interesting to see how this affects the 2020 elections. This will be interesting to see how it makes tight winger Republican candidates squirm, to try to slide by while doing nothing of real effectiveness. Can Moscow Mitch kill many more gun control bills? Will defection work? Will any of this matter? How will Faux, Sinclair, et al deal with it? Lush Limpbrain and Sean Insanity? Is there a tipping point?

Will FF Von Clownstick bloviate? Or will he finally tell Moscow Mitch to pull his thumb out and let bills make to the floor to be voted on?

How many days until the next mass murder with an assault rifle?

What kind of blind optimist would expect, or even hint at, a massacre a year and a half before election day having any influence at all on the election?

It hasn't for the last half century and more - why would it start now?

The American electorate can easily forget a gun rampage in a week. I would hesitate to expect an influence on the election if there was a massacre the day before election day. Never mind more than a year.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is only a little less than a year and half to election day. Lots of time for many more mass killings by right wingers with assault rifles. It will be interesting to see how this affects the 2020 elections. This will be interesting to see how it makes tight winger Republican candidates squirm, to try to slide by while doing nothing of real effectiveness. Can Moscow Mitch kill many more gun control bills? Will defection work? Will any of this matter? How will Faux, Sinclair, et al deal with it? Lush Limpbrain and Sean Insanity? Is there a tipping point?

Will FF Von Clownstick bloviate? Or will he finally tell Moscow Mitch to pull his thumb out and let bills make to the floor to be voted on?

How many days until the next mass murder with an assault rifle?

What kind of blind optimist would expect, or even hint at, a massacre a year and a half before election day having any influence at all on the election?

Yeah, the right-wing was busy mocking and scamming on outspoken students at Parkland. And even despite the tenacity of those students, nothing came from it. Other than mockery and slander. In the end, this stuff doesn't effect enough people. So that is why there needs to be a concentration on jobs and health care. That affects most Americans directly, not gun violence.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The Dayton shooter may have been a lefty who used "He/Him" pronouns.

I think he may have been an atheist Incel.

 

[ZiprHead]

Wherever do people get these ideas?

 

[marc]

It always seems that a lot of pro-gun folks view these events like they were natural disasters. Nothing you can do. Send thoughts and prayers.

Unless the shooting was by a muslim or immigrant (legal or illegal). Then immediate legislation is required.