Punching "nazi" not working out so well for nazi puncher.

[dismal]

Man accused of attacking a conservative activist on UC Berkeley campus faces felony charges

(CNN)The Alameda County District Attorney's Office has filed three felony charges and one misdemeanor against Zachary Greenberg after an attack on the University of California Berkeley campus against a conservative activist. The attack was caught on video.

UC Berkeley campus police arrested Greenberg on Friday. He bonded out of jail and his arraignment is set for Wednesday. CNN has reached out to Greenberg's representatives for comment.

I bring this up largely as a public service because we have some people who seem to get giddy about punching nazis here.

And if you can't punch nazis at Berkeley, it could be even worse somewhere else.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/04/politics/charges-possible-conservative-activist-attack/index.html

 

[prideandfall]

"thing that is not related to the thing in which you're condemning happened, therefore justifying your condemnation of the thing that is unrelated"

strawman, thy name is dismal.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Also, just because something is technically illegal, doesn't mean it's wrong.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Seems like a victimless crime. Police should really be focusing their resources elsewhere.

 

[Elixir]

He should just deny deny deny, scream fake news! a couple of times, then talk about Hillary. Works every time.

 

[Mumbles]

Isn't the so-called "Nazi" in this case just some TPUSA goober? Despite Candace Owens' confusion on what Hitler was about, those guys aren't waving swastikas or anything, and they don't advocate turning the US into a white ethnostate, so no, they aren't nazis - or at least, not in public.

 

[Derec]

Isn't the so-called "Nazi" in this case just some TPUSA goober? Despite Candace Owens' confusion on what Hitler was about, those guys aren't waving swastikas or anything, and they don't advocate turning the US into a white ethnostate, so no, they aren't nazis - or at least, not in public.

To the Antifas everybody to the right of Trotsky is a "Nazi".

 

[WAB]

"Conservative activist" does not equal nazi.

Personally, I think the puncher here is little more than an ape who thinks that swinging his fat hands actually means something. He was going for the spotlight and got it.

 

[Bronzeage]

The critical element of civil disobedience is being willing to suffer the state imposed consequences of your actions. Greenberg can plead guilty and smile for the judge.

Ever since the left embraced the peace movement, the right has come to believe they hold the only threat of violence and no one will dare resist. They elect a President who wants his supporters to "rough 'em up," and he'll pay the legal bills. It's a real shock when the violence comes their way. They really think their opponents are going to sing Kumbayah and then run away.

The practices of civil disobedience gained a lot of attention because of "not violent" civil disobedience, but there's no rule that says it has to be non violent. And if there was a rule, why would disobedient people pay any attention to it.

 

[laughing dog]

Isn't the so-called "Nazi" in this case just some TPUSA goober? Despite Candace Owens' confusion on what Hitler was about, those guys aren't waving swastikas or anything, and they don't advocate turning the US into a white ethnostate, so no, they aren't nazis - or at least, not in public.

To the Antifas everybody to the right of Trotsky is a "Nazi".

First time I've seen someone describe dismal as a member of Antifas.

 

[WAB]

The critical element of civil disobedience is being willing to suffer the state imposed consequences of your actions. Greenberg can plead guilty and smile for the judge.

Ever since the left embraced the peace movement, the right has come to believe they hold the only threat of violence and no one will dare resist. They elect a President who wants his supporters to "rough 'em up," and he'll pay the legal bills. It's a real shock when the violence comes their way. They really think their opponents are going to sing Kumbayah and then run away.

The practices of civil disobedience gained a lot of attention because of "not violent" civil disobedience, but there's no rule that says it has to be non violent. And if there was a rule, why would disobedient people pay any attention to it.

The left won't gain any ground or earn respect by randomly assaulting people on the street. If this victim was a real nazi, I might not have that much of a problem - but the article merely says "conservative activist", and that's the problem. If the radical left starts uncritically equating conservatives with nazis, and believes that gives them free reign to assault people at will, it will only make the radical left look worse. It won't just make them "look" worse, it will make them worse. They will become the very thing they claim to despise.

 

[untermensche]

For freedom of speech to mean anything you have to let the speech you despise be spoken.

It is not freedom of speech to just let the speech you agree with be spoken.

Even Nazi's with power allow the speech they agree with to be spoken.

 

[dismal]

He should just deny deny deny, scream fake news! a couple of times, then talk about Hillary. Works every time.

This works every time in real court against felony charges? Cite?

My point is exactly about this sort of rhetoric. I fear if Greenberg and future other Greenbergs listen to people at websites like this they may end up serving long jail sentences.

 

[AirPoh]

The critical element of civil disobedience is being willing to suffer the state imposed consequences of your actions. Greenberg can plead guilty and smile for the judge.

Ever since the left embraced the peace movement, the right has come to believe they hold the only threat of violence and no one will dare resist. They elect a President who wants his supporters to "rough 'em up," and he'll pay the legal bills. It's a real shock when the violence comes their way. They really think their opponents are going to sing Kumbayah and then run away.

The practices of civil disobedience gained a lot of attention because of "not violent" civil disobedience, but there's no rule that says it has to be non violent. And if there was a rule, why would disobedient people pay any attention to it.

The left won't gain any ground or earn respect by randomly assaulting people on the street. If this victim was a real nazi, I might not have that much of a problem - but the article merely says "conservative activist", and that's the problem. If the radical left starts uncritically equating conservatives with nazis, and believes that gives them free reign to assault people at will, it will only make the radical left look worse. It won't just make them "look" worse, it will make them worse. They will become the very thing they claim to despise.

It's not the radical left uncritically equating conservatives with nazis.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

The critical element of civil disobedience is being willing to suffer the state imposed consequences of your actions. Greenberg can plead guilty and smile for the judge.

Ever since the left embraced the peace movement, the right has come to believe they hold the only threat of violence and no one will dare resist. They elect a President who wants his supporters to "rough 'em up," and he'll pay the legal bills. It's a real shock when the violence comes their way. They really think their opponents are going to sing Kumbayah and then run away.

The practices of civil disobedience gained a lot of attention because of "not violent" civil disobedience, but there's no rule that says it has to be non violent. And if there was a rule, why would disobedient people pay any attention to it.

The left won't gain any ground or earn respect by randomly assaulting people on the street. If this victim was a real nazi, I might not have that much of a problem - but the article merely says "conservative activist", and that's the problem. If the radical left starts uncritically equating conservatives with nazis, and believes that gives them free reign to assault people at will, it will only make the radical left look worse. It won't just make them "look" worse, it will make them worse. They will become the very thing they claim to despise.

The mentality started when people on the fringe left of the same mindset started pushing the idea that speech is violence; that not agreeing with their ideas is violence. "You invalidate my lived experience and that is violence". It then creates the logic of fight "violence" with actual violence. You can see it forming here in what the bald prof in glasses is saying to Peterson during this now infamous exchange (that later led to the Lindsay Shepherd incident; where again we saw a similar disagreeable speech = violence line of thought against her ).

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDBtDSSGKMU[/youtube]

So this seeps from the radical left into the left at large and we get to odd very illiberal ideas like "its ok to punch a 'Nazi'" regardless of if the Nazi is threatening any sort of violence whatsoever, and despite the 'Nazi' not being an actual Nazi but being somebody we have decided to label as such because they have ugly or intolerable views, or get assumed to have such or have such projected onto them.

 

[Elixir]

It's okay to punch a Nazi as long as you don't leave a hanging chad.

 

[WAB]

The critical element of civil disobedience is being willing to suffer the state imposed consequences of your actions. Greenberg can plead guilty and smile for the judge.

Ever since the left embraced the peace movement, the right has come to believe they hold the only threat of violence and no one will dare resist. They elect a President who wants his supporters to "rough 'em up," and he'll pay the legal bills. It's a real shock when the violence comes their way. They really think their opponents are going to sing Kumbayah and then run away.

The practices of civil disobedience gained a lot of attention because of "not violent" civil disobedience, but there's no rule that says it has to be non violent. And if there was a rule, why would disobedient people pay any attention to it.

The left won't gain any ground or earn respect by randomly assaulting people on the street. If this victim was a real nazi, I might not have that much of a problem - but the article merely says "conservative activist", and that's the problem. If the radical left starts uncritically equating conservatives with nazis, and believes that gives them free reign to assault people at will, it will only make the radical left look worse. It won't just make them "look" worse, it will make them worse. They will become the very thing they claim to despise.

It's not the radical left uncritically equating conservatives with nazis.

Of course they are. But I'd like to hear you elaborate on your response. Perhaps I misspoke, or was too pat.

ETA: Just as a side note: Of those of us who advocate punching people (nazis, conservatives, anyone with unsavory ideas, whatever), how many of you have been struck full bore by a fully grown man? Well, I have, hence my disapproval of this kind of thuggery. Look at the size of Greenberg: he's a big man, and in my opinion this was no mere political statement, but an act of brutal assault.

If he wanted a fist-fight, he should have made that clear, and given the man the chance to defend himself, or to back down. Greenberg would have had a more satisfying victory that way. Instead, he cold-cocks him, without warning. Totally shameful, however noble he believes himself to be.

 

[ZiprHead]

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/HSExpmrDogU[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It's not the radical left uncritically equating conservatives with nazis.

Of course they are. But I'd like to hear you elaborate on your response. Perhaps I misspoke, or was too pat.

Wasn't one person involved in punching a conservative artist (is there such a thing?). One person =/ the left or radical left or leftists. And I don't anyone here suggests the victim was a Nazi.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Totally shameful, however noble he believes himself to be.

Perhaps so, but victimless crimes are still victimless crimes and there's only a certain level anyone should be working themselves up to over them.