Women Drivers

[Trausti]

Norwegian warship accident raises questions on women in armed forces

A multi-million dollar warship under the NATO command was entirely submerged after it struck an oil tanker in the early hours of November 8 in a Norwegian fjord.

The KNM Helge Ingstad, dubbed as 'unsinkable', collided with a Malta oil tanker Sola TS. A 10-metre-long gash was torn into the side of the warship, which is one of the five in Norway's navy. The tanker, however, is said to be unharmed.

Questions remain as to why the well-equipped warship could not avoid hitting the slow moving, 62,557 ton, 250-metre-long oil tanker. The KMN Helge Ingstad is one of the five Nansen-class frigates billed as “unsinkable” due to its construction with water-tight zones designed to keep the warship “intact and operable”.

The crash and the subsequent sinking of the frigate has given rise to discussions on gender politics and political correctness in Norway.

Sound recordings and radar logs have revealed crude, almost incomprehensible, human errors made by the crew. According to experienced naval officers, the mistakes make the crew look amateurs. This, too, seems to have supported the claim of sceptics who have wondered about the role of women in armed forces.

In 2016, Norway introduced conscription for women. The Navy received the highest number of women after conscription duties were introduced.

The Norwegian publication Armed Forces had in an article heaped praises on the KNM Helge Ingstad crew in which four out of five navigatos were women. “It is advantageous to have many women on board. It will be a natural thing and a completely different environment, which I look at as positive,” Lieutenant Iselin Emilie Jakobsen Ophus, a navigation officer at the warship, had said.

Norwegians may not be able to defend their country but at least they're Woke.

The uninsured frigate has cost the Norwegian Navy its entire annual budget, but the country also lost millions of dollars with several oil and gas fields being temporarily shut down due to the accident.

Heh.

 

[DBT]

Probably more an issue of training than gender.

 

[Bomb#20]

Probably more an issue of training than gender.

More training wouldn't have helped. Once the bloody fools called it "unsinkable", that ship was doomed.

 

[thebeave]

Well, to be fair, us guys have the Titanic monkey on our back. Its going to take quite a few female-led boat sinkings to even up the score.

You do have to wonder if maybe all the women's cycles got synced and maybe there was some sort of massive cat fight taking place when it happened.

 

[Rhea]

You make this sound like it's the very first ship to crash out there.
How astonishing.


Here's the USS Fitzgerald
https://www.postcrescent.com/story/...d-and-now-blames-wisconsin-native/1087640001/


Here's the USS John McCain
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-navy-ship-accidents/4285600.html


Male drivers.

 

[fast]

I blame the lack of drinking on the job. Very few are drunk off their ass. The quick reflexes where a more calm laxidaisical reaction is called for is causing too many ships to be wrecked and lives to be lost. Just look (male or female) and with soberness comes (wait for it, wait for it) crash. Sober-crash. Sober crash. Like a horse and carriage or love and marriage.

Cheers

 

[Rhea]

I blame the lack of drinking on the job. Very few are drunk off their ass. The quick reflexes where a more calm laxidaisical reaction is called for is causing too many ships to be wrecked and lives to be lost. Just look (male or female) and with soberness comes (wait for it, wait for it) crash. Sober-crash. Sober crash. Like a horse and carriage or love and marriage.

Cheers

Exxon Valdez.

 

[Underseer]

Huh.

Isn't it funny how Trausti and the other fascists don't like it when I accept their logic and makes generalizations about white men?

Why are all white men mass murderers, Trausti?

Explain yourself and apologize for the others.

Trausti won't mind if I use his own argument to say that all white men are terrorists, because the only way he can refuse my argument is to also Reggie the generalization in his original post.

I mean, her can't possibly be a hypocrite.

Conservatives white supremacists alt-right free speech warriors are never hypocrites on account of their superior white brains.

 

[Tigers!]

Huh.

Isn't it funny how Trausti and the other fascists don't like it when I accept their logic and makes generalizations about white men?

Why are all white men mass murderers, Trausti?

Explain yourself and apologize for the others.

Trausti won't mind if I use his own argument to say that all white men are terrorists, because the only way he can refuse my argument is to also Reggie the generalization in his original post.

I mean, her can't possibly be a hypocrite.

Conservatives white supremacists alt-right free speech warriors are never hypocrites on account of their superior white brains.

Pardon?

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Poor driving skills are non-gender specific.

 

[ruby sparks]

Poor driving skills are non-gender specific.

Actually, I believe it's fairly-well accepted and evidenced that men are worse drivers.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

When I was learning to drive from my parents I always preferred to have Mom in the car. If I was driving too slowly she'd say, "You can go a little faster." Dad would bark out. "WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? STEP ON THE GAS!" Mom was calm, unhurried and observant, same as my wife, while Dad always seemed bothered and impatient.

As I've aged I am certainly more like Mom when it comes to driving. They were both good drivers though Dad was a bit quick on the horn.

 

[bigfield]

Insurance costs make it quite clear that men are poorer drivers.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Actually, I believe it's fairly-well accepted and evidenced that men are worse drivers.

Every ship I've ever seen run aground, a male officer had the Conn.

On the other hand, I have never actually seen a female officer conning a ship, so my collected statistics may be misleading.

 

[Bomb#20]

Insurance costs make it quite clear that men are poorer drivers.

Well, sure, after we've paid our insurance premiums.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Wow you're like, so politically incorrect. Totally edgy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Insurance costs make it quite clear that men are poorer drivers.

Actually, I'm not sure of that. From what I've seen women are the worse drivers but the men tend to be more spectacularly wrong. Thinking of what insurance has paid out on accidents over the years there was only one case when it was a man driving--but that one payout is considerably more than the total of the handful of times it was women who hit me.

 

[Rhea]

Insurance costs make it quite clear that men are poorer drivers.

Actually, I'm not sure of that. From what I've seen women are the worse drivers but the men tend to be more spectacularly wrong. Thinking of what insurance has paid out on accidents over the years there was only one case when it was a man driving--but that one payout is considerably more than the total of the handful of times it was women who hit me.

Let the record show that Loren agrees that men are spectacularly worse drivers than women.
And no, data is not the plural of anecdote.
The insurance companies are spectacularly certain of this.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Insurance costs make it quite clear that men are poorer drivers.

From here:

Men are more likely than women to be driving drunk in fatal crashes. In 2016, 21 percent of males were drunk in these crashes, compared to 14 percent for females.

Huh, so I guess men are worse drivers than women.

Also:

Many more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes. Men typically drive more miles than women and more often engage in risky driving practices including not using safety belts, driving while impaired by alcohol, and speeding. Crashes involving male drivers often are more severe than those involving female drivers. 1 However, females are more likely than males to be killed or injured in crashes of equal severity, although gender differences in fatality risk diminish with age.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Insurance costs make it quite clear that men are poorer drivers.

Actually, I'm not sure of that. From what I've seen women are the worse drivers but the men tend to be more spectacularly wrong. Thinking of what insurance has paid out on accidents over the years there was only one case when it was a man driving--but that one payout is considerably more than the total of the handful of times it was women who hit me.

Let the record show that Loren agrees that men are spectacularly worse drivers than women.
And no, data is not the plural of anecdote.
The insurance companies are spectacularly certain of this.

From here:



Huh, so I guess men are worse drivers than women.

Also:

Many more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes. Men typically drive more miles than women and more often engage in risky driving practices including not using safety belts, driving while impaired by alcohol, and speeding. Crashes involving male drivers often are more severe than those involving female drivers. 1 However, females are more likely than males to be killed or injured in crashes of equal severity, although gender differences in fatality risk diminish with age.

Note that the very next message is someone providing data that agrees with the pattern I had noted.

 

[Rhea]

Let the record show that Loren agrees that men are spectacularly worse drivers than women.
And no, data is not the plural of anecdote.
The insurance companies are spectacularly certain of this.

From here:



Huh, so I guess men are worse drivers than women.

Also:

Many more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes. Men typically drive more miles than women and more often engage in risky driving practices including not using safety belts, driving while impaired by alcohol, and speeding. Crashes involving male drivers often are more severe than those involving female drivers. 1 However, females are more likely than males to be killed or injured in crashes of equal severity, although gender differences in fatality risk diminish with age.

Note that the very next message is someone providing data that agrees with the pattern I had noted.

What? No it doesn’t.
It does not say women are worse drivers. It says they are more likely to be killed in equal severity, which we all know since the safety devices are sized for men and leave women with sub-standard protection.

But it definitely does NOT say that women are worse drivers. You had a little anecdote about that which is instantly disproven by my own anecdote which is the opposite and is no more a “data” than your anecdote was.

The data says clearly that men are worse drivers based on the objective evidence of them crashing all the time.