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If Trump wins reelection, will there be a civil war?

Is it not the case that the electoral college system has delivered more Democrat Presidents than Republican?

I think you've fallen victim to some source of propaganda that is using "true" statements to mislead.

The popular vote has been 6:1 for the Democrats. The actual elections have been 4:3.

That says the electoral college has given two elections to the Republicans that should have gone to the Democrats. It has given zero to the Democrats that should have gone to the Republicans.

Don't look at the total result, but the change in the result due to the electoral college!
 
Nope, there wont be another civil war in America; ever for any reason. Take a look around you, see that 99.9% of folks looking down at their cell phones? If there is a war it wont be civil.

The term "civil war" is a two worded term with a meaning that ought not be derived by combining the meaning of its constituent words. The term, "civil," for instance, ought not be treated as an adjective; instead, treat the term, "civil war" as a term in its own right that has a meaning independent of the meaning of its constituent words. After all, a civil war, most certainly a civil war, is anything but a war that is civil.

With my last sentence I meant civil as in not only involving Americans & did not mean civil in the courteous and polite sense. Where did I use civil war as an adjective? I basically said there will not be another war between citizens of the same country happening here in the US again.
So by "civil", you meant "intranational," or between our own borders, or on domestic soil?

Nothing else going on?

Alright.
 
Obama was a major contender that people wanted to vote for, so not only did the regulars come out and vote, the lazies did too, explaining the "good margin." How many minority's voted?

Trump was a major contender that people wanted to vote for, so not only did the regulars come out and vote, the jaded did too, explaining the "huge margin." How many minority's voted?

You speak of "5000 fewer." Explain the difference in the two numbers above!
Actually, I'm asking you to explain them. You are the one blaming the lazies.

2012

About 102,000 voted
Obama/Biden 61672 60.48%
Romney/Ryan 38279 37.54%

2016

About 96,000 voted
Trump/Pence 48,152 51.2%
Clinton/White Bread 42,130 44.8%

Trump up'd 10k, Clinton down 19k.

This is where Trump won.

There's insufficient data to demonstrate my position, but then again, the data doesn't show I'm in error either, but I'll take what you've given here and see what pretzel shape I can twist it into--using reason that you should readily discern from my presentation.

Let's first turn our attention to obama with his 62,000 votes. That's HUGE! It's certainly higher than every other figure you presented, but why is it so high? Why the crazy turnout? He wasn't just another candidate. There were many people that were moved by the things he said. It makes sense to me that he got a lot of votes, but what doesn't readily jump out at us is from where they all came.

Some were probably die hard Democrats just as there are some die hard Republicans. Some that might sometimes have voted Republican voted Democrat. There were new voters in the mix. But, that's the case in any election. I think his following, however, was not run of the mill typical, and I think the disparity in numbers (his vote count divergence from the norm-or average) was intensified by those who were passionately in his favor.

To compare apples to apples, as they say, there a few ways to do that. Let's now look the following democratic turnout. All things being equal, you might expect a small increase, but instead we see 42,000. That is a hell of a drop, but it's partly explainable. The great contender in that election was Trump, and he was apart of the Republican Party. This doesn't mean all those 20,000 Democrats (the difference) voted republican. No no no. Some, yes, but the same issues discussed earlier hold true here as well. People came out the woodwork to vote for Trump, just as people came out for obama--some of which who could have but rarely voted--hence, not all new voters.

The numbers aren't highlighted, so it's difficult to discern the regulars from the irregulars, but let's look at something else: the spreads: don't look at any one spread in isolation but collectively. The underdogs, the contenders, the parties, and the totals. Also, the anomalies. Where were all the irregulars that voted for obama in 2012 come the 2016 election? Had a fraction of those came out and simply voted instead of thinking "we got this sowed up," things would be most certainly different in the political arena right now.

Even when we do a baseline and compare numbers, we can plainly see that the people are missing from the ballots.
((100-(60.48+37.54))*102000)/2

Gotta run
 
Is it not the case that the electoral college system has delivered more Democrat Presidents than Republican?

I think you've fallen victim to some source of propaganda that is using "true" statements to mislead.

The popular vote has been 6:1 for the Democrats. The actual elections have been 4:3.

That says the electoral college has given two elections to the Republicans that should have gone to the Democrats. It has given zero to the Democrats that should have gone to the Republicans.

Don't look at the total result, but the change in the result due to the electoral college!
Lion IRC is hardly looking at this seriously, just going for the cheap point thing.

A: I don't understand why you are being so beligerant.

B: You were driving drunk with my daughter in the car.

A: There is no need to get all excited, your daughter is still in the hospital.

B: She is in the morgue!

A: Yeah, that is still in the hospital isn't it?
 
I can't shake the feeling that this (ridiculous) talk of the Democrat supporters starting a civil war if their side loses, is a deliberate propaganda move to normalise the idea of a civil war if your party is 'cheated' of their rightful victory, amongst the (heavily armed) lunatic wing of the Republican party.

Well, we need a Second Amendment solution to put Trump back in power. That's what they were planning to do if they had lost.
 
Jebus! As if it was written strictly for Jolly Penguin.

A more accurate cartoon would be him telling them to get off one sinking boat, to board another sinking boat, while one of the other kids waves around a life jackets they all refuse to use because they will have to immediately go into the water if they do, but may get rescued later on.

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Is it not the case that the electoral college system has delivered more Democrat Presidents than Republican?

Jolly Penguin rightly observed that if it was such a huge obstacle to democracy - why is there a conspicuous lack of effort to fix it?

... and the Electoral College which even the orange nazi is on record saying is a bad thing.

But where is the outcry to get rid of it? *crickets*

They want to pretend to have and spread "Democracy", when they've never had it and refuse to fight for it. Kinda Ironic.
 
I can't shake the feeling that this (ridiculous) talk of the Democrat supporters starting a civil war if their side loses, is a deliberate propaganda move to normalise the idea of a civil war if your party is 'cheated' of their rightful victory, amongst the (heavily armed) lunatic wing of the Republican party.

Well, we need a Second Amendment solution to put Trump back in power. That's what they were planning to do if they had lost.

One more reason we need Trump to lose. When his toothless minions take to the streets with their AKs and ARs, it will take a whole ten minutes to dispatch the lot of them. And good riddance.
 
I can't shake the feeling that this (ridiculous) talk of the Democrat supporters starting a civil war if their side loses, is a deliberate propaganda move to normalise the idea of a civil war if your party is 'cheated' of their rightful victory, amongst the (heavily armed) lunatic wing of the Republican party.

Well, we need a Second Amendment solution to put Trump back in power. That's what they were planning to do if they had lost.

One more reason we need Trump to lose. When his toothless minions take to the streets with their AKs and ARs, it will take a whole ten minutes to dispatch the lot of them. And good riddance.

I prefer outvoting them. I've got an elderly mother and a son just getting his life started. I'd just as soon they not live in Afghanistan or the Lebanon of the 70s.
 
I can't shake the feeling that this (ridiculous) talk of the Democrat supporters starting a civil war if their side loses, is a deliberate propaganda move to normalise the idea of a civil war if your party is 'cheated' of their rightful victory, amongst the (heavily armed) lunatic wing of the Republican party.

Well, we need a Second Amendment solution to put Trump back in power. That's what they were planning to do if they had lost.

Unfortunately, I have a nasty feeling that you're right.
 
I can't shake the feeling that this (ridiculous) talk of the Democrat supporters starting a civil war if their side loses, is a deliberate propaganda move to normalise the idea of a civil war if your party is 'cheated' of their rightful victory, amongst the (heavily armed) lunatic wing of the Republican party.

Well, we need a Second Amendment solution to put Trump back in power. That's what they were planning to do if they had lost.

One more reason we need Trump to lose. When his toothless minions take to the streets with their AKs and ARs, it will take a whole ten minutes to dispatch the lot of them. And good riddance.

I prefer outvoting them. I've got an elderly mother and a son just getting his life started. I'd just as soon they not live in Afghanistan or the Lebanon of the 70s.

That would be the preferred remedy of course. But unlikely, as the corrupt GOP controls who can vote, whether their vote counts and, in the end, who wins.
BTW, Bilby is exactly right.
 
I prefer outvoting them. I've got an elderly mother and a son just getting his life started. I'd just as soon they not live in Afghanistan or the Lebanon of the 70s.

That would be the preferred remedy of course. But unlikely, as the corrupt GOP controls who can vote, whether their vote counts and, in the end, who wins.
BTW, Bilby is exactly right.

On Point had a show featuring the Sec. State of Alabama and the doublespeak was strong. On the one hand he's touting the high voter turnout in the state, and on the other falling over himself to rebuff any suggestion for a policy that could potentially increase participation further.

http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2018/10/12/voting-rights-voter-suppression-midterms
 
BTW, Bilby is exactly right.

Mods, can this be adopted as the board's official motto please?

I am thinking it should be prominently displayed at the top of every page. Perhaps we could get some mugs, t-shirts, and other merchandise with it printed on them?

;)

As long as I get 15% and an attribution!
 
I prefer outvoting them. I've got an elderly mother and a son just getting his life started. I'd just as soon they not live in Afghanistan or the Lebanon of the 70s.

That would be the preferred remedy of course. But unlikely, as the corrupt GOP controls who can vote, whether their vote counts and, in the end, who wins.
BTW, Bilby is exactly right.

For the time being they control this stuff. It swings back and forth over the years. Get out and vote third party in 2020.
 
I prefer outvoting them. I've got an elderly mother and a son just getting his life started. I'd just as soon they not live in Afghanistan or the Lebanon of the 70s.

That would be the preferred remedy of course. But unlikely, as the corrupt GOP controls who can vote, whether their vote counts and, in the end, who wins.
BTW, Bilby is exactly right.

For the time being they control this stuff. It swings back and forth over the years. Get out and vote third party in 2020.

Nope. Voting third party is a recipe for leaving the rethuglicans in control of everything. It's worth electing some Dem scumbags to de-fang those bastards. Especially in these mid-terms. Once 2020 rolls around we shall see if there's a vialble third-party candidate - which I doubt. Good chance I won't even vote in 2020 if the Dems don't at least take the house this fall, as I likely won't live in the US any more.
 
I can't shake the feeling that this (ridiculous) talk of the Democrat supporters starting a civil war if their side loses, is a deliberate propaganda move to normalise the idea of a civil war if your party is 'cheated' of their rightful victory, amongst the (heavily armed) lunatic wing of the Republican party.

Well, we need a Second Amendment solution to put Trump back in power. That's what they were planning to do if they had lost.

I have yet to find a single example of something Republicans have accused Democrats of, that Republicans aren't guilty of themselves.

So you may be correct.
 
I prefer outvoting them. I've got an elderly mother and a son just getting his life started. I'd just as soon they not live in Afghanistan or the Lebanon of the 70s.

That would be the preferred remedy of course. But unlikely, as the corrupt GOP controls who can vote, whether their vote counts and, in the end, who wins.
BTW, Bilby is exactly right.

For the time being they control this stuff. It swings back and forth over the years. Get out and vote third party in 2020.

Yeah, the Dems so got the message in 2000 and 2016, enough leftist voters will cut off their nose and consider it principled.
 
No. You fear mongering?
 
With respect to the OP, the answer is No. there will be no civil war. Trump will let any state secede and won’t fight it. The country might break up. But why would Trump want California, Massachusetts, New York or other heavily blue states in it?

With those Senators and Representatives out of the way, he could establish the dictatorship he wants. No one is going to stop him or protest him. He can repeal civil rights acts and re-establish white male supremacy. Why the hell would he want a civil war?

SLD
 
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