Irish Abortion Vote: Landslide vote to end abortion restriction

[Harry Bosch]

Wow, this vote is shocking:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...exit-polls/ar-AAxOk0G?ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz

While not official yet, it appears that it will be a landslide vote to open the country the abortion rights. It's interesting to me that conservative Ireland is going one way, the US the other. It's not surprising to me that older white Americans are voting republican. But the fact that a majority of older white women are voting right wing is a shocker. These are women who burned bras, fought for women's rights, and then fought for abortion rights. What is it that is making them turn as they get older?

 

[ZiprHead]

Obviously the next natural disaster that strikes Ireland will be because of this.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Potatoe Famine

 

[bilby]

While it's a big step, it's still a long way from legalising abortions in Ireland. The referendum concerns the repeal of a constitutional provision that effectively prohibits the government from legalising abortions. If (as seems almost certain) the constitution is changed, abortion will remain illegal until and unless the Dail introduces and passes new laws allowing it. What form those laws might take is yet to be seen, although given the likely overwhelming result in this referendum, it might be politically difficult for the Oireachtas to not pass a fairly liberal new law.

 

[steve_bank]

The RCC has a lot of power in Ireland, same in Poland.

 

[bilby]

The RCC has a lot of power in Ireland, same in Poland.

Apparently now only in Poland.

 

[Angry Floof]

Yes!

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Wow, this vote is shocking:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...exit-polls/ar-AAxOk0G?ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz

While not official yet, it appears that it will be a landslide vote to open the country the abortion rights. It's interesting to me that conservative Ireland is going one way, the US the other. It's not surprising to me that older white Americans are voting republican. But the fact that a majority of older white women are voting right wing is a shocker. These are women who burned bras, fought for women's rights, and then fought for abortion rights. What is it that is making them turn as they get older?

They're not turning. They were right wing idiots back then, too.

 

[SLD]

Yes!

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Wow, this vote is shocking:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...exit-polls/ar-AAxOk0G?ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz

While not official yet, it appears that it will be a landslide vote to open the country the abortion rights. It's interesting to me that conservative Ireland is going one way, the US the other. It's not surprising to me that older white Americans are voting republican. But the fact that a majority of older white women are voting right wing is a shocker. These are women who burned bras, fought for women's rights, and then fought for abortion rights. What is it that is making them turn as they get older?

They're not turning. They were right wing idiots back then, too.

My 91 year old mother is still a flaming liberal feminist.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Yes!

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Wow, this vote is shocking:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...exit-polls/ar-AAxOk0G?ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz

While not official yet, it appears that it will be a landslide vote to open the country the abortion rights. It's interesting to me that conservative Ireland is going one way, the US the other. It's not surprising to me that older white Americans are voting republican. But the fact that a majority of older white women are voting right wing is a shocker. These are women who burned bras, fought for women's rights, and then fought for abortion rights. What is it that is making them turn as they get older?

They're not turning. They were right wing idiots back then, too.

I'm not following you. You are denying that many white women who fought for women's rights in the 1960's have turned conservative? You deny that some people turn conservative as they age?

 

[Angry Floof]

Yes!

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Wow, this vote is shocking:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...exit-polls/ar-AAxOk0G?ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz

While not official yet, it appears that it will be a landslide vote to open the country the abortion rights. It's interesting to me that conservative Ireland is going one way, the US the other. It's not surprising to me that older white Americans are voting republican. But the fact that a majority of older white women are voting right wing is a shocker. These are women who burned bras, fought for women's rights, and then fought for abortion rights. What is it that is making them turn as they get older?

They're not turning. They were right wing idiots back then, too.

I'm not following you. You are denying that many white women who fought for women's rights in the 1960's have turned conservative? You deny that some people turn conservative as they age?

No. I'm saying the hippies and feminists back then are still hippies and feminists. And there were plenty of right wing authoritarian women back then, too, that still are. Some people do "turn," sure, but it's bizarre that you think the hippie and feminist women of that time are not still here and as hippie and feminist as ever.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I'm not following you. You are denying that many white women who fought for women's rights in the 1960's have turned conservative? You deny that some people turn conservative as they age?

No. I'm saying the hippies and feminists back then are still hippies and feminists. And there were plenty of right wing authoritarian women back then, too, that still are. Some people do "turn," sure, but it's bizarre that you think the hippie and feminist women of that time are not still here and as hippie and feminist as ever.

Well, I'll admit that I may be wrong. I've looked at several links describing voting pattern's of white women in the 70's, 80's and 90's vs voting patterns today. It's been my hypothesis that people tend to become more conservative as they age (I had thought to blame Fox News for this as well). But after looking at the evidence, I've decided that I may be wrong.

Either way, a majority of white women support Trump today. To me, that disturbing his views on abortion rights and civility.

 

[EvoUK]

The added beauty of this decision is that Northern Ireland is made to look like the bible-thumping backwater we all know it is.

At least the women of Northern Ireland will be only a bus ride away from a legal abortion, rather than having to fly (assuming we sort out the Brexit border issue).

 

[J842P]

It's not surprising to me that older white Americans are voting republican. But the fact that a majority of older white women are voting right wing is a shocker. These are women who burned bras, fought for women's rights, and then fought for abortion rights. What is it that is making them turn as they get older?

Why? Firstly, I think you are taking the image of a visible and vocal minority and presuming that was representative of the overall group (i.e. older white women). The truth is that the majority of baby boomers have always been conservative. From my perspective, my whole life it has seemed like it's the baby boomer's that have had to been dragged kicking and screaming into accepting liberal positions. Look gay marriage or drugs.

So yes, there was a minority of baby boomers who were radically liberal, but they were never the majority, and received a lot of scorn from people in their own generation.

As to abortion, the split has been fairly consistent across time, and while women have always supported it slightly more than men, it isn't as gendered a split as one might expect if one looks into the numbers.

 

[Lion IRC]

Much of the pro-abortion argument in Ireland appeared to be an argument from normality.
ie. because abortion is so common it should be legal. So Ireland will follow the rest of hedonist Europe and start chipping away at the sanctity/value of human life.
First the unborn. Then the elderly and terminally ill. Then the disabled.

And it saddens me to admit that this vote was as much a vote against the Church which flushed its moral authority down the toilet when it hid pedophiles masquerading as clergy - a gutless act of stupidity and vanity - as if the reputation of the Church depended on covering up the truth.

 

[lpetrich]

Republic votes to remove constitutional ban on abortion by resounding two-thirds majority -- 66%. Only one county supported continuing it, and that was by a narrow margin.

 

[whollygoats]

Much of the pro-abortion argument in Ireland appeared to be an argument from normality.
ie. because abortion is so common it should be legal. So Ireland will follow the rest of hedonist Europe and start chipping away at the sanctity/value of human life.
First the unborn. Then the elderly and terminally ill. Then the disabled.

And it saddens me to admit that this vote was as much a vote against the Church which flushed its moral authority down the toilet when it hid pedophiles masquerading as clergy - a gutless act of stupidity and vanity - as if the reputation of the Church depended on covering up the truth.

Heh....yeah.

It'll catch up with you and yours, eventually.

 

[Toni]

I'm not following you. You are denying that many white women who fought for women's rights in the 1960's have turned conservative? You deny that some people turn conservative as they age?

No. I'm saying the hippies and feminists back then are still hippies and feminists. And there were plenty of right wing authoritarian women back then, too, that still are. Some people do "turn," sure, but it's bizarre that you think the hippie and feminist women of that time are not still here and as hippie and feminist as ever.

Well, I'll admit that I may be wrong. I've looked at several links describing voting pattern's of white women in the 70's, 80's and 90's vs voting patterns today. It's been my hypothesis that people tend to become more conservative as they age (I had thought to blame Fox News for this as well). But after looking at the evidence, I've decided that I may be wrong.

Either way, a majority of white women support Trump today. To me, that disturbing his views on abortion rights and civility.

I don't think that is true. I do know older white women who voted for Trump. In those cases, they are not well educated, and were either raised in the south or their parents were. Most of the older white women I know (and I am an older white woman) did not vote for Trump; we voted for Hillary. This includes a few that I consider to be fairly conservative. However, in each case, these women are better educated (even the conservative ones), and are better off economically than the Trump voters I know (any gender).

Not confusing anecdote with data here is this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/...tes-he-never-won-them-in-the-first-place.html

 

[bilby]

The added beauty of this decision is that Northern Ireland is made to look like the bible-thumping backwater we all know it is.

At least the women of Northern Ireland will be only a bus ride away from a legal abortion, rather than having to fly (assuming we sort out the Brexit border issue).

That's a big assumption. As the only land border between the UK of GB and NI, and an EU with which the UK has no tariff or trade agreements, either it will need be made to look like the Berlin Wall, or smuggling will rapidly become the single largest element of GDP on the island of Ireland.

The only plausible option I can see that doesn't lead to one of those two outcomes is to ditch Brexit and for the UK to remain in the EU.

 

[Lion IRC]

Much of the pro-abortion argument in Ireland appeared to be an argument from normality.
ie. because abortion is so common it should be legal. So Ireland will follow the rest of hedonist Europe and start chipping away at the sanctity/value of human life.
First the unborn. Then the elderly and terminally ill. Then the disabled.

And it saddens me to admit that this vote was as much a vote against the Church which flushed its moral authority down the toilet when it hid pedophiles masquerading as clergy - a gutless act of stupidity and vanity - as if the reputation of the Church depended on covering up the truth.

Heh....yeah.

It'll catch up with you and yours, eventually.

Nope.
I only reap what I sow. Not what others sow.

 

[Elixir]

I only reap what I sow. Not what others sow.

How ironic. Superstitious anti-choicer wants women to reap what others sow.