The Problems Of Rural Christian White Americans

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I disagree that the majority of trump's base are rural folk. I think the bulk of Trump's base are disaffected suburbanites.

That has not been my observation. My observation has been that there are two types of supporters... the 1% that benefits anytime any billionaire benefits... they support multi-million dollar tax cuts and removal of regulations that cause expense.. like air filters and such. They have no care and no need for government entitlements.. they hire a private doctor and pay cash.... they buy an island and hire their own private army... etc...

The 25% or so remaining Americans that support trump have a completely separate body of information than everyone else.
If up were down, it would not be stupid to stand on your head all day... sure, you can call falling for false information targeting your information bubble, or even HAVING an information bubble, as stupid. and it is... but don't call them stupid... it makes them more stupid. It makes them proud of their stupid.

A few years too late...the ones in my extended family are already proud of their stupid.

Call them what they are... victims of well organized and targeted lies.

Well, sure.

Butt, butt, Snopes is nothing but libral propaganda....<recent redneck rant on FaceButt>...sigh

 

[prideandfall]

It's just stupidly buying into the propaganda... or, more accurately, HUMANLY buying into the propaganda... as it is human nature to assign agency and demonize a perceived threat. That is exploited by those that profit from it.

but that just loops back around to: when you look outside and reality clearly and demonstrably contradicts the narrative you're being told, you either discount the narrative and alter your view to match reality, or you're fucking retarded.

so this seems to be a dead-end wherein all roads lead to "republicans voters are fucking retarded" which i for one am just fine to make as a declaration, because they are.
but i'd be interested to see how those who disagree with the assessment that republican voters are retarded would characterize or justify what we're seeing as anything than other being fucking retarded.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Yeah, it is amazing that I understand them instead of merely dismissing them all as inbred racists.

I understand many of them to be inbred racists. That's not a dismissal, it's just an observation that successfully allows their behaviour to be predicted.

That's bigotry at best, racism at worst. It is the contempt by the progressives towards the rural that caused the rural to reject the progressives. You are a symptom of why they didn't vote the way you wanted them to.

 

[Jason the Rationalist]

Yeah, it is amazing that I understand them instead of merely dismissing them all as inbred racists.

I understand many of them to be inbred racists. That's not a dismissal, it's just an observation that successfully allows their behaviour to be predicted.

That's bigotry at best, racism at worst. It is the contempt by the progressives towards the rural that caused the rural to reject the progressives. You are a symptom of why they didn't vote the way you wanted them to.

Is it a case of finding a good way to put across the message that they may be victims of their own ignorance? To use that as the starting point?

 

[ronburgundy]

It's just stupidly buying into the propaganda... or, more accurately, HUMANLY buying into the propaganda... as it is human nature to assign agency and demonize a perceived threat. That is exploited by those that profit from it.

but that just loops back around to: when you look outside and reality clearly and demonstrably contradicts the narrative you're being told, you either discount the narrative and alter your view to match reality, or you're fucking retarded.

so this seems to be a dead-end wherein all roads lead to "republicans voters are fucking retarded" which i for one am just fine to make as a declaration, because they are.
but i'd be interested to see how those who disagree with the assessment that republican voters are retarded would characterize or justify what we're seeing as anything other being fucking retarded.

They are not victims nor simply stupid.

If they are victims of liars, then aren't the liars just victims of someone else's lies, ad-infinitum (or at least back the the Bible)?

When a person trying to be honest and reasonable gets conned, they are a victim. That applies to very few of the 25% of eligible voters who voted for Trump. They deliberately avoid sources that might expose the lies because they know they are lies but want to maintain their narrative to rationalize their actions. And despite this deliberate "bubble" most of them still are exposed to more than enough information that even someone of their intellect would see exposes the lies and irrational arguments of those they listen to.
They deliberately disregard that information, again to protect their preferred narrative.

But this is not stupidity. It is willful ignorance and intellectually dishonesty in pursuit of an agenda without regard for the harm it does to others. I'd say that is cowardice and immorality more than an inability to understand.

 

[bilby]

Yeah, it is amazing that I understand them instead of merely dismissing them all as inbred racists.

I understand many of them to be inbred racists. That's not a dismissal, it's just an observation that successfully allows their behaviour to be predicted.

That's bigotry at best, racism at worst. It is the contempt by the progressives towards the rural that caused the rural to reject the progressives. You are a symptom of why they didn't vote the way you wanted them to.

No, it's a rejection of your retarded strawman.

I made a long and detailed post earlier in the thread explaining my actual position. Nobody cared. Nobody ever cares - this isn't a debate, it's a tribal conflict in which no minds can be changed. So now I am mocking your pomposity, because it seems like by far the biggest and most worthy target of ridicule.

 

[Toni]

That's bigotry at best, racism at worst. It is the contempt by the progressives towards the rural that caused the rural to reject the progressives. You are a symptom of why they didn't vote the way you wanted them to.

No, it's a rejection of your retarded strawman.

I made a long and detailed post earlier in the thread explaining my actual position. Nobody cared. Nobody ever cares - this isn't a debate, it's a tribal conflict in which no minds can be changed. So now I am mocking your pomposity, because it seems like by far the biggest and most worthy target of ridicule.

I dunno.

I think your commentary on a country you would not deign to visit is a pretty big and very worthy target of ridicule.

 

[Elixir]

That's bigotry at best, racism at worst. It is the contempt by the progressives towards the rural that caused the rural to reject the progressives. You are a symptom of why they didn't vote the way you wanted them to.

No, it's a rejection of your retarded strawman.

I made a long and detailed post earlier in the thread explaining my actual position. Nobody cared. Nobody ever cares - this isn't a debate, it's a tribal conflict in which no minds can be changed. So now I am mocking your pomposity, because it seems like by far the biggest and most worthy target of ridicule.

I dunno.

I think your commentary on a country you would not deign to visit is a pretty big and very worthy target of ridicule.

If I was viewing it through the lens of TFT, I probably wouldn't want to visit either, given the ubiquity of retarded strawmen.

 

[prideandfall]

You are a symptom of why they didn't vote the way you wanted them to.

and if that statement is correct, it is indicative of why we have contempt for them.

here's a truth: us bigoted big city elites didn't pick this fight with the sister-fucking hillbillies, because we never think about them or care about them except in a mildly broad-sweeping pity for their poverty and stupidity kind of way.
so we voted democratic, generally approved of siphoning money off the well-to-do to help out those poor bastards, socially and economically support policies and regulations that assist them, give them the benefit of a cultural zeitgeist of acceptance and empathy... and in thanks, they vote hard-line unwavering republican and massively contribute to what is objectively and demonstrably willful damaging of our country socially, culturally, scientifically, economically, and internationally.

so explain to me exactly how it's OUR fault that these stupid fuckwits can't get their shit together enough to sustain themselves, actively work to decrease their ability to ever prosper, and then blame their failure on the only people trying to help them.

 

[prideandfall]

They are not victims nor simply stupid.

i believe the first part and wish i could believe the second part.

If they are victims of liars, then aren't the liars just victims of someone else's lies, ad-infinitum (or at least back the the Bible)?

see, if you're buying into a lie that A. doesn't clearly and demonstrably hurt you, and B. isn't easily and obviously discredited by simply looking at observable reality, then yes i'd agree with that.

but when you're told a lie, and when acting on that lie you are immediately hurt by it, and you can easily discount the lie by simply using your eyes to verify that the lie is false, then it's no longer the fault of the liar for you believing in the lie.

They deliberately disregard that information, again to protect their preferred narrative.

But this is not stupidity. It is willful ignorance and intellectually dishonesty in pursuit of an agenda without regard for the harm it does to others. I'd say that is cowardice and immorality more than an inability to understand.

or, as i more harshly put it.... being fucking retarded.

 

[Elixir]

You are a symptom of why they didn't vote the way you wanted them to.

and if that statement is correct, it is indicative of why we have contempt for them.

here's a truth: us bigoted big city elites didn't pick this fight with the sister-fucking hillbillies, because we never think about them or care about them except in a mildly broad-sweeping pity for their poverty and stupidity.
so we voted democratic, generally approved of siphoning money off the well-to-do to help out those poor bastards, socially and economically support policies and regulations that assist them, give them the benefit of a cultural zeitgeist of acceptance and empathy... and in thanks, they vote hard-line unwavering republican and massive contribute to what we consider to be the active and willful destruction of our country.

so explain to me exactly how it's OUR fault that these stupid fuckwits shot themselves in the dickhole, took our assistance to repair the wound and ensure their dick still works, then 2 months later shot themselves in the dickhole again and blamed us for it.

I think Jason's thesis is that it's counterproductive to hold contempt for the contemptible. While I tend to agree with that, I find that contempt for the contemptible isn't really a choice. As you point out, you can give them books and they just chew on the covers. They'll ALWAYS vote for whoever most panders to them, no matter how transparently, because they're willfully uninformed idiots. Why reach out to them? They are well trained to bite the hand that feeds them.

 

[Toni]

It's just stupidly buying into the propaganda... or, more accurately, HUMANLY buying into the propaganda... as it is human nature to assign agency and demonize a perceived threat. That is exploited by those that profit from it.

but that just loops back around to: when you look outside and reality clearly and demonstrably contradicts the narrative you're being told, you either discount the narrative and alter your view to match reality, or you're fucking retarded.

so this seems to be a dead-end wherein all roads lead to "republicans voters are fucking retarded" which i for one am just fine to make as a declaration, because they are.
but i'd be interested to see how those who disagree with the assessment that republican voters are retarded would characterize or justify what we're seeing as anything other being fucking retarded.

They are not victims nor simply stupid.

If they are victims of liars, then aren't the liars just victims of someone else's lies, ad-infinitum (or at least back the the Bible)?

When a person trying to be honest and reasonable gets conned, they are a victim. That applies to very few of the 25% of eligible voters who voted for Trump. They deliberately avoid sources that might expose the lies because they know they are lies but want to maintain their narrative to rationalize their actions. And despite this deliberate "bubble" most of them still are exposed to more than enough information that even someone of their intellect would see exposes the lies and irrational arguments of those they listen to.
They deliberately disregard that information, again to protect their preferred narrative.

But this is not stupidity. It is willful ignorance and intellectually dishonesty in pursuit of an agenda without regard for the harm it does to others. I'd say that is cowardice and immorality more than an inability to understand.

What's willful ignorance and intellectually dishonest is that you fail to understand that you are indeed pursuing an agenda without regard for the veracity of your claims or the harm it does to others.

That is cowardice and immorality and a willful disregard for any attempt to understand.

When any group of people--any group--feels that they are suffering more than other groups, they look to find reasons. Rarely is that reason their own reflection. It becomes easy to point fingers at obvious, physical differences: skin color, accents, differences of customs, of religion.

But as you have so aptly demonstrated, it applies just as well to people whose skin color is the same as our own, whose heritage is remarkably similar, if not nearly identical.

Those of us--and yes, it's US because I detest the election of Trump as much as anyone--who decry Trump's election need to look our own reflections in the face and recognize that it's us as much as them who is responsible for (fill in the blank.) No matter the us. No matter the them.



Walt Kelly's cartoon was drawn for Earth Day 1971 but that pile of trash could just as easily represent everything that has gone wrong every single day since.

We allow racism because it's easier than admitting that someone who doesn't look like us makes us uncomfortable.
We accept our own bigotry because it's easier than admitting that our own points of view are imperfect and flawed. It's always easier to point out the splinter in someone else's eye than it is to deal with the log jammed in our own eye sockets.

We accept everything that gives us an advantage because we are certain we deserve our advantages. We are certain we have a right to resent those who have more or just different advantages than we do. We are pretty certain we deserve all of the good things that come our way, and very few of the bad. It's easier to blame others than it is to accept responsibility for our own shortcomings. It's easier to dole out punishment and condemnation than to extend a hand of equal friendship.

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You are a symptom of why they didn't vote the way you wanted them to.

and if that statement is correct, it is indicative of why we have contempt for them.

here's a truth: us bigoted big city elites didn't pick this fight with the sister-fucking hillbillies, because we never think about them or care about them except in a mildly broad-sweeping pity for their poverty and stupidity.
so we voted democratic, generally approved of siphoning money off the well-to-do to help out those poor bastards, socially and economically support policies and regulations that assist them, give them the benefit of a cultural zeitgeist of acceptance and empathy... and in thanks, they vote hard-line unwavering republican and massive contribute to what we consider to be the active and willful destruction of our country.

so explain to me exactly how it's OUR fault that these stupid fuckwits shot themselves in the dickhole, took our assistance to repair the wound and ensure their dick still works, then 2 months later shot themselves in the dickhole again and blamed us for it.

I think Jason's thesis is that it's counterproductive to hold contempt for the contemptible. While I tend to agree with that, I find that contempt for the contemptible isn't really a choice. As you point out, you can give them books and they just chew on the covers. They'll ALWAYS vote for whoever most panders to them, no matter how transparently, because they're willfully uninformed idiots.

But so do we all vote for who panders most to us. We're all pretty willfully uniformed idiots.

Admitting such is the first step and it's a step that's too steep and too difficult for a lot of us.

The next ones are much harder.

 

[prideandfall]

I think Jason's thesis is that it's counterproductive to hold contempt for the contemptible.

yes i get that, and it is a central premise that i disagree with because contempt is the only viable option that they're giving us.

While I tend to agree with that, I find that contempt for the contemptible isn't really a choice. As you point out, you can give them books and they just chew on the covers. They'll ALWAYS vote for whoever most panders to them, no matter how transparently, because they're willfully uninformed idiots.

if they were in any way redeemable (collectively) i'd say that sure, more flies with honey and all that, but the problem with politics in this country is that one side is saying "okay what is the most effective way that we can work out how to deliver health care to all citizens but in a way that is financially viable and provides reasonable quality coverage?" and the other side replies with "FUCKIN' LYNCH DEM NIGGERS" and then violently and explosively shit themselves and pass out moaning in a ditch, and there comes a point where you need to just accept the fact that one party has nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, dismiss them as being fucking retarded, and move on without them.

 

[Elixir]

They are not victims nor simply stupid.

If they are victims of liars, then aren't the liars just victims of someone else's lies, ad-infinitum (or at least back the the Bible)?

When a person trying to be honest and reasonable gets conned, they are a victim. That applies to very few of the 25% of eligible voters who voted for Trump. They deliberately avoid sources that might expose the lies because they know they are lies but want to maintain their narrative to rationalize their actions. And despite this deliberate "bubble" most of them still are exposed to more than enough information that even someone of their intellect would see exposes the lies and irrational arguments of those they listen to.
They deliberately disregard that information, again to protect their preferred narrative.

But this is not stupidity. It is willful ignorance and intellectually dishonesty in pursuit of an agenda without regard for the harm it does to others. I'd say that is cowardice and immorality more than an inability to understand.

What's willful ignorance and intellectually dishonest is that you fail to understand that you are indeed pursuing an agenda without regard for the veracity of your claims or the harm it does to others.

That is cowardice and immorality and a willful disregard for any attempt to understand.

When any group of people--any group--feels that they are suffering more than other groups, they look to find reasons. Rarely is that reason their own reflection. It becomes easy to point fingers at obvious, physical differences: skin color, accents, differences of customs, of religion.

But as you have so aptly demonstrated, it applies just as well to people whose skin color is the same as our own, whose heritage is remarkably similar, if not nearly identical.

Those of us--and yes, it's US because I detest the election of Trump as much as anyone--who decry Trump's election need to look our own reflections in the face and recognize that it's us as much as them who is responsible for (fill in the blank.) No matter the us. No matter the them.

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Walt Kelly's cartoon was drawn for Earth Day 1971 but that pile of trash could just as easily represent everything that has gone wrong every single day since.

We allow racism because it's easier than admitting that someone who doesn't look like us makes us uncomfortable.
We accept our own bigotry because it's easier than admitting that our own points of view are imperfect and flawed. It's always easier to point out the splinter in someone else's eye than it is to deal with the log jammed in our own eye sockets.

We accept everything that gives us an advantage because we are certain we deserve our advantages. We are certain we have a right to resent those who have more or just different advantages than we do. We are pretty certain we deserve all of the good things that come our way, and very few of the bad. It's easier to blame others than it is to accept responsibility for our own shortcomings. It's easier to dole out punishment and condemnation than to extend a hand of equal friendship.

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You are a symptom of why they didn't vote the way you wanted them to.

and if that statement is correct, it is indicative of why we have contempt for them.

here's a truth: us bigoted big city elites didn't pick this fight with the sister-fucking hillbillies, because we never think about them or care about them except in a mildly broad-sweeping pity for their poverty and stupidity.
so we voted democratic, generally approved of siphoning money off the well-to-do to help out those poor bastards, socially and economically support policies and regulations that assist them, give them the benefit of a cultural zeitgeist of acceptance and empathy... and in thanks, they vote hard-line unwavering republican and massive contribute to what we consider to be the active and willful destruction of our country.

so explain to me exactly how it's OUR fault that these stupid fuckwits shot themselves in the dickhole, took our assistance to repair the wound and ensure their dick still works, then 2 months later shot themselves in the dickhole again and blamed us for it.

I think Jason's thesis is that it's counterproductive to hold contempt for the contemptible. While I tend to agree with that, I find that contempt for the contemptible isn't really a choice. As you point out, you can give them books and they just chew on the covers. They'll ALWAYS vote for whoever most panders to them, no matter how transparently, because they're willfully uninformed idiots.

But so do we all vote for who panders most to us. We're all pretty willfully uniformed idiots.

Admitting such is the first step and it's a step that's too steep and too difficult for a lot of us.

The next ones are much harder.

It might be different if every American could spend a week alone in the wilderness with each prospective candidate.
As it is, we have to rely on our own perceptions, however tainted they may be. Personally I gravitate more to those who come across to me as believably invested in what they are saying even if I don't think they can do what they say they want to do, than to those who tell me what they think I want to hear but have no personal stake in it. YMMV, but I can't help thinking that trumpsuckers' inability to discern that Cheato is a lying sack of shit conman/sociopath, is reminiscent of the difficulty that some severely autistic individuals have in reading others' faces/emotions. I truly suspect that the above mentioned dynamic is in play, whereby rural areas lose those who can think and do things for themselves, and those who cannot are left behind.
That said, I'm in a rural county that went for Bernie and then for Hillary ... but this area has seen a renaissance in the last 2 decades with an influx of artists and non-location-dependent technology workers. Still, the long-time ranchers et al are generally (with a growing number of exceptions) prone to falling for phonies like Trump.

 

[SimpleDon]

It amazes me how first I can post the Cracked article, and then I can post my personal experience, and people in this thread are STILL saying that it is all about fear and racism because that is how their own value system judges it.

I’m not saying I know your experience and why you voted for Trump, because I don’t know you. I am saying that I know why my neighbors voted fro Trump, because they said so. And I’m surprised that you question my personal experience, right?

I never claimed to vote for Trump, nor did I vote for Trump. But I do understand, from first hand experience described in a post you didn't bother to read, the arrogance of the progressive mindset. That's why I understand the Trump supporters better than any progressive ever would.

And that disgust with the progressive mindset that you understand so well drove you to embrace the fantasy of a well organized, fully functioning society and economy without a government, except to enforce contracts, of course. A society that has never existed in the entire history of man. Proving that your cartoon of a disapproving progressive is right about at least one of your life choices.

 

[ronburgundy]

Yeah, it is amazing that I understand them instead of merely dismissing them all as inbred racists.

I understand many of them to be inbred racists. That's not a dismissal, it's just an observation that successfully allows their behaviour to be predicted.

That's bigotry at best, racism at worst. It is the contempt by the progressives towards the rural that caused the rural to reject the progressives. You are a symptom of why they didn't vote the way you wanted them to.

No, it is not racist or bigotry. It cannot be racist because the group in reference is not a racial category and in fact very few people of any race belong to it (IOW, most whites do not support Trump).

It cannot be bigotry any more than it is bigotry to say that "Many members of the Nazi party were racist." Both comments are highly rational inferences with high probable truth, given the basis on which the inference is made. In both cases the group is defined by support for one of the most racists leaders of their time, and even disavowed by many of their closest ideological allies for the extremity of their bigotries. Also, their most vocal supporters themselves endorsed many clearly racists ideas and endorsed other well known white supremacist (In case you don't know, Breitbart and the founders of the "alt-right" have explicitly endorsed some of the most established white supremacist writers in history). In addition, the groups are not defined by some apriori general characteristic but by a willful deliberate act in direct relation to the undeniably racist leader in question.

To infer that "many" who acted to ensure that such a person would hold the most powerful reigns in their society were/are racist themselves is the epitome of reasonable inference about an issue of fact, and as such cannot be bigotry.

 

[ronburgundy]

i believe the first part and wish i could believe the second part.


see, if you're buying into a lie that A. doesn't clearly and demonstrably hurt you, and B. isn't easily and obviously discredited by simply looking at observable reality, then yes i'd agree with that.

but when you're told a lie, and when acting on that lie you are immediately hurt by it, and you can easily discount the lie by simply using your eyes to verify that the lie is false, then it's no longer the fault of the liar for you believing in the lie.

They deliberately disregard that information, again to protect their preferred narrative.

But this is not stupidity. It is willful ignorance and intellectually dishonesty in pursuit of an agenda without regard for the harm it does to others. I'd say that is cowardice and immorality more than an inability to understand.

or, as i more harshly put it.... being fucking retarded.

Then you're just using "retarded" to mean anything you think is bad. Let's say "stupid" to avoid the politics of "retarded". Being dishonest and claiming things you know are likely false is not the same as being too stupid to understand that what you are claiming is false.
Do you you think that all dishonest people are stupid and all stupid people are dishonest?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

sister-fucking hillbillies
their poverty and stupidity
stupid fuckwits can't get their shit together enough to sustain themselves, actively work to decrease their ability to ever prosper, and then blame their failure on the only people trying to help them

I've seen the progressive "we want to help you" attitude. I've written about it before, the casual contempt they have for those they want to "help", their smug superiority. Conservatives say you need Jesus, progressives say the ARE Jesus. If you're poor, like I have been more than once, they're so ready to "help", just as long as you do whatever they say because they are so much smarter and more moral than you. And everyone is, of course, supposed to be fawning grateful to them for their help which is their real payment. It isn't "I'm satisfied that I helped someone", it is "I am satisfied by their thanks and praise."

"Everything you are doing is wrong unless I told you to do it." It was my own poverty experience that led me to libertarianism, and it is an in-joke among libertarians that the "povertarians" are the most radical. That's because we see the strings that are attached to the "help" and the arrogance of those who offer the "help". They don't ask for much, just your worship.

If you dare reject them? Oh boy, the fall of Lucifer doesn't start to compare to the rage with which progressives condemn those who reject them. You demonstrate it multiple times. Look at how you describe people who reject your benevolent superiority. Look at the terms you use. Have you ever been outside of the coastal cities? Have you ever been to flyover country? I'm not talking deep Appalachia here, I'm talking the typical small town. And I mean for more than a "we're stopping for gas as we travel from big city to big city".

 

[prideandfall]

Then you're just using "retarded" to mean anything you think is bad.

no i'm using "retarded" to mean "retarded" - as in, republican voters are literally, physically, retarded - with the big potato heads and the droopy eyes.
but, i suppose to be fair, i don't see any meaningful difference between a person with down syndrome and a person who believes in the literal existence of jesus... those two things are equal, intellectually speaking.

alright i guess i'm using "retarded" to mean "lacks the functional intellectual capacity to think" - which to me is lower on the spectrum than "stupid" because you can be stupid without being god damn retarded, and retarded is several leagues past stupid on the intellectual deficiency scale.

Do you you think that all dishonest people are stupid and all stupid people are dishonest?

no, i think all people who believe those who are dishonest when that dishonesty is easily disproved by nothing more than having two functioning neurons and a piece of lint to rub together are stupid.

 

[prideandfall]

I've seen the progressive "we want to help you" attitude. I've written about it before, the casual contempt they have for those they want to "help", their smug superiority.

and from the way you talk about it, it sounds very much like a "cut thy nose off to spite thy face" kind of situation.

Conservatives say you need Jesus, progressives say the ARE Jesus. If you're poor, like I have been more than once, they're so ready to "help", just as long as you do whatever they say because they are so much smarter and more moral than you. And everyone is, of course, supposed to be fawning grateful to them for their help which is their real payment. It isn't "I'm satisfied that I helped someone", it is "I am satisfied by their thanks and praise."

and yet, they are still the only ones offering help, so really what you're saying it is that being helped but without a sufficient level of self-worth affirming fawning over you is worse than being punched in the ballsack repeatedly and then once you're on the ground curled up in a ball being robbed and spit on.

"Everything you are doing is wrong unless I told you to do it." It was my own poverty experience that led me to libertarianism, and it is an in-joke among libertarians that the "povertarians" are the most radical. That's because we see the strings that are attached to the "help" and the arrogance of those who offer the "help". They don't ask for much, just your worship.

so?
if you're some country bumpkin who is part of a generational community that had its entire economic stability based on a factory, and that factory closes, and your economy collapses, and everyone in your town is totally up shit creek, and someone shows up and says "here, i have ways of fixing all your problems, you just need to heap praise on me and all your lives and the lives of your children will be saved" then put on your boot licking gloves and a big smile and be fucking grateful the person didn't show up and take a choleric shit in your town well.

If you dare reject them? Oh boy, the fall of Lucifer doesn't start to compare to the rage with which progressives condemn those who reject them.

what in the actual fuck are you talking about?

You demonstrate it multiple times. Look at how you describe people who reject your benevolent superiority.

my... my what? if i haven't made it clear i'll say it again: i don't give two fucks about rural america or the plight of the fly-over states, i have no benevolence towards republican voters (superior or otherwise) and my vitriol has nothing to do with rejecting democrats or progressives and everything to do with embracing conservatism while simultaneously screeching about how the only people even remotely trying to help them are the enemy.

Look at the terms you use. Have you ever been outside of the coastal cities?

i've never been to a coastal city.
and since apparently you're going with the "since i have nothing of substance to say on the body of your argument i'll try to circumvent that by attacking your credentials for having an opinion on the subject":
i was born in central ohio to a 17 year old roman catholic (who was disowned by her family when they learned she was pregnant) and a 25 year old pot dealer who had a random one night hookup, as a child i moved to a small but affluent town in colorado where i grew up surrounded by moderate middle class wealth by living in the "slums" of it and never having money, i spent a few years in my mid 20s living in BFE nowhere montana, and now i live in denver.
(i am a high school drop out who never went to any kind of secondary school, i got my GED when i was 17, i was kicked out the week i turned 18 and never given any monetary support, and the ONLY reason i've made it as a successful adult is that i was lucky enough to be the right age and with a natural affinity for it that i got into doing computer support as a career immediately and it's a remarkably recession-proof industry that has ably sustained me for the last 20 years. if i hadn't had that knack for it or stumbled into it and been fortunate enough to live in an area with access to a good job market for that industry i'd be absolutely fucked - i can see the cliff edge that i narrowly avoided, enough that i totally get it when others go over)

i've seen the plight of those without marketable job skills or access to a stable local economy so in that respect "rural" people have my sympathy - you can't just go to college or move away, because that pre-supposes college existing, or a job with which to use your degree, or having money for it in the first place, or somewhere to even move to, or the means to do it.
small town america is a death trap where civilization goes to die, the only way that worked was before the industrial revolution when it was a small walled-in hunting village, or before the collapse of US manufacturing when "factory towns" were a viable thing.

having these tiny completely unstable non-viable communities where there is no economy and no basis for one is a blight on any attempt to be a thriving first world industrial nation, and if i had my druthers there would be massive government spending to relocate all of them to areas where they could actually have a chance at thriving, and anyone who refuses to move can fuck off and die.