The Problems Of Rural Christian White Americans

[Rhea]

stick “3 percenter” on their trucks.

???

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Percenters

The Three Percenters (also styled 3%ers and III%ers) are an American paramilitary patriot movement which pledges armed resistance against attempts on the restriction of private gun ownership.[1] Members have described that their mission is to defend constitutional rights.[2] The organization depicts a tyrannical US Federal Government and has been characterized as being ideologically similar to the Oath Keepers.[3]

The group's name is derived from the claim that only three percent of the population of the Thirteen Colonies fought against the Kingdom of Great Britain during the American Revolution.[3] Approximately 375,000 people out of the 2.5 million colonists—or fifteen percent—served in either the Continental Army or state militias: a participation rate higher than in most US military conflicts.[4]

 

[Rhea]

Since these Trump voters voted by a different value system, they don't actually know their own value system. They don't know it but they "share" the value system of the Trump opponent and only voted Trump in order to deliberately do the wrong thing.

Naw, I’m just going on what they say they want (jobs, a wall, draining the swamp and a guy who “says what we’re thinking”), and what their vote is getting them (no jobs, no wall and the muckiest swamp yet, but the guy is saying what they’re thinking). And their reaction to that (we love this guy!!!).

 

[Rhea]

It amazes me how first I can post the Cracked article, and then I can post my personal experience, and people in this thread are STILL saying that it is all about fear and racism because that is how their own value system judges it.

I’m not saying I know your experience and why you voted for Trump, because I don’t know you. I am saying that I know why my neighbors voted fro Trump, because they said so. And I’m surprised that you question my personal experience, right?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

It amazes me how first I can post the Cracked article, and then I can post my personal experience, and people in this thread are STILL saying that it is all about fear and racism because that is how their own value system judges it.

I’m not saying I know your experience and why you voted for Trump, because I don’t know you. I am saying that I know why my neighbors voted fro Trump, because they said so. And I’m surprised that you question my personal experience, right?

I never claimed to vote for Trump, nor did I vote for Trump. But I do understand, from first hand experience described in a post you didn't bother to read, the arrogance of the progressive mindset. That's why I understand the Trump supporters better than any progressive ever would.

 

[braces_for_impact]

It amazes me how first I can post the Cracked article, and then I can post my personal experience, and people in this thread are STILL saying that it is all about fear and racism because that is how their own value system judges it.

I’m not saying I know your experience and why you voted for Trump, because I don’t know you. I am saying that I know why my neighbors voted fro Trump, because they said so. And I’m surprised that you question my personal experience, right?

I never claimed to vote for Trump, nor did I vote for Trump. But I do understand, from first hand experience described in a post you didn't bother to read, the arrogance of the progressive mindset. That's why I understand the Trump supporters better than any progressive ever would.

That's still a stupid reason to vote for Trump. I don't like the elites running things, and being smug and all uppity, so I'm going to make the head of the government a completely inept orange menace that's going to cause all of us, including those I love great harm. Just let it all burn. That is exactly why "elites" run things, because look at the dumb ass decision they made to "send a message to Washington". Oh yeah, good job.

 

[bilby]

It amazes me how first I can post the Cracked article, and then I can post my personal experience, and people in this thread are STILL saying that it is all about fear and racism because that is how their own value system judges it.

I’m not saying I know your experience and why you voted for Trump, because I don’t know you. I am saying that I know why my neighbors voted fro Trump, because they said so. And I’m surprised that you question my personal experience, right?

I never claimed to vote for Trump, nor did I vote for Trump. But I do understand, from first hand experience described in a post you didn't bother to read, the arrogance of the progressive mindset. That's why I understand the Trump supporters better than any progressive ever would.

 

[Ford]

It amazes me how first I can post the Cracked article, and then I can post my personal experience, and people in this thread are STILL saying that it is all about fear and racism because that is how their own value system judges it.

I’m not saying I know your experience and why you voted for Trump, because I don’t know you. I am saying that I know why my neighbors voted fro Trump, because they said so. And I’m surprised that you question my personal experience, right?

I never claimed to vote for Trump, nor did I vote for Trump. But I do understand, from first hand experience described in a post you didn't bother to read, the arrogance of the progressive mindset. That's why I understand the Trump supporters better than any progressive ever would.

You grew up poor and Hispanic and you side with Trump supporters?


Wow.

 

[RavenSky]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Percenters

The Three Percenters (also styled 3%ers and III%ers) are an American paramilitary patriot movement which pledges armed resistance against attempts on the restriction of private gun ownership.[1] Members have described that their mission is to defend constitutional rights.[2] The organization depicts a tyrannical US Federal Government and has been characterized as being ideologically similar to the Oath Keepers.[3]

The group's name is derived from the claim that only three percent of the population of the Thirteen Colonies fought against the Kingdom of Great Britain during the American Revolution.[3] Approximately 375,000 people out of the 2.5 million colonists—or fifteen percent—served in either the Continental Army or state militias: a participation rate higher than in most US military conflicts.[4]

gun nuts

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of them.

 

[Ford]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Percenters

The Three Percenters (also styled 3%ers and III%ers) are an American paramilitary patriot movement which pledges armed resistance against attempts on the restriction of private gun ownership.[1] Members have described that their mission is to defend constitutional rights.[2] The organization depicts a tyrannical US Federal Government and has been characterized as being ideologically similar to the Oath Keepers.[3]

The group's name is derived from the claim that only three percent of the population of the Thirteen Colonies fought against the Kingdom of Great Britain during the American Revolution.[3] Approximately 375,000 people out of the 2.5 million colonists—or fifteen percent—served in either the Continental Army or state militias: a participation rate higher than in most US military conflicts.[4]

gun nuts

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of them.

A guy I know has put some of the 3% stuff on his Facebook feed. Well, he did when Obama was President. He bought into the narrative that Obama was somehow going to suspend the Constitution, and had built up an arsenal of weapons for the impending showdown with the government when Barack "Oh my god his middle name is HUSSEIN" Obama refused to step down and subsequently declared a Marxist/Muslim dictatorship.

Unsurprisingly, his preparations for a civil war have been put on the back burner since Obama stepped down peacefully. If I remember correctly, he sold off his previous Clinton-era stockpile of weapons during the Bush administration, only to build the arsenal again when the Kenyan Usurper took over. I don't know how many of his guns he's sold in the past year, but I suspect it may be a few.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

He voted for Trump because he thought that Trump would shake things up in Washington. He doesn't believe that Hillary would do anything but to continue the same feed the rich policies that have dominated political life in Washington DC for his whole adult life. I haven't talked to him since October when he was down here, but as of then he was still happy with Trump because Trump had a lot of people upset.

I spite of his and a large part of his families dependence on government programs that the Republicans want to end he is still happy with his votes. He sees no contradiction in this, because there is no way that the Republicans could end these programs, a very astute observation.

I can see his viewpoint and am often tempted to agree with him.

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Since these Trump voters voted by a different value system, they don't actually know their own value system.

Oh, they know their value system.

You misattributed this to me. I did not say what you quote me saying. Honest error I am sure, but just need to point that I don't agree with the statement.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

That's still a stupid reason to vote for Trump. I don't like the elites running things, and being smug and all uppity, so I'm going to make the head of the government a completely inept orange menace that's going to cause all of us, including those I love great harm. Just let it all burn. That is exactly why "elites" run things, because look at the dumb ass decision they made to "send a message to Washington". Oh yeah, good job.

They needed a big middle finger, and they got it. Now, hopefully, then will listen to the people next time instead of merely flapping their gums and running to corporate interests and insider politics. And Trump hasn't been the disaster many expected of him. He hasn't been putting journalists in jail etc. He isn't Hitler.

 

[jonatha]

. And Trump hasn't been the disaster many expected of him. He isn't Hitler.

No.

More like a cross between Benito Mussolini and Bozo the Clown.

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

And Trump hasn't been the disaster many expected of him. He hasn't been putting journalists in jail etc. He isn't Hitler.

He’s been EXACTLY the disaster many expected of him.

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[Ford]

And Trump hasn't been the disaster many expected of him. He hasn't been putting journalists in jail etc. He isn't Hitler.

He’s been EXACTLY the disaster many expected of him.

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Oh I think he's been worse.

The day when the election results became clear, I took to social media to comment, and reminded my hundred of Facebook followers that just 8 years earlier there were people predicting the end of American democracy. And that 8 years prior, the same predictions were made. 8 years before that, the religious right was predicting the very end of the world...as Bill Clinton was viewed as the harbinger of the anti-Christ.


Seriously.


And since the world had not ended in a fiery cataclysm, I figured that there was nothing Trump could do to make even a small dent in our ironclad republic.


Trump has shaken my faith. As we speak, a veteran FBI hand is sorting through a year's worth of documents that might point to the fact that the President of the United States is not just too close to the Russians, but is up to his neck in money laundering and corruption. What's more, he's poised to fire that old FBI guy and anyone working with him. What's more, the Congress - which is supposed to act as a check on the Executive - has fawned over Trump in a way that would make a nerd asking the homecoming queen to prom say "jeez that's a bit much, don't you think?"





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[Jason Harvestdancer]

I never claimed to vote for Trump, nor did I vote for Trump. But I do understand, from first hand experience described in a post you didn't bother to read, the arrogance of the progressive mindset. That's why I understand the Trump supporters better than any progressive ever would.

You grew up poor and Hispanic and you side with Trump supporters?


Wow.

Yeah, it is amazing that I understand them instead of merely dismissing them all as inbred racists.

 

[SimpleDon]

He voted for Trump because he thought that Trump would shake things up in Washington. He doesn't believe that Hillary would do anything but to continue the same feed the rich policies that have dominated political life in Washington DC for his whole adult life. I haven't talked to him since October when he was down here, but as of then he was still happy with Trump because Trump had a lot of people upset.

I spite of his and a large part of his families dependence on government programs that the Republicans want to end he is still happy with his votes. He sees no contradiction in this, because there is no way that the Republicans could end these programs, a very astute observation.

I can see his viewpoint and am often tempted to agree with him.

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I don't know if he has changed his mind now, since Trump and the Republicans have gotten what they want, the only thing that they could agree on between themselves, feed the rich.

I imagine that it won't have made even a dent in his surety that he was right, that no matter how he voted he was destined to be screwed. There is nothing that I could say that would mask my belief that he is right. There is really no one in power looking out for his interests.

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[Angry Floof]

I never claimed to vote for Trump, nor did I vote for Trump. But I do understand, from first hand experience described in a post you didn't bother to read, the arrogance of the progressive mindset. That's why I understand the Trump supporters better than any progressive ever would.

You grew up poor and Hispanic and you side with Trump supporters?


Wow.

Yeah, it is amazing that I understand them instead of merely dismissing them all as inbred racists.

They're not being dismissed as much as being held accountable. The "political correctness" they've been trained to complain about is exactly why they haven't been held accountable until we're up to our necks in a diseased GOP. We softies on the left insist on respect for people but not necessarily for beliefs, but we've been too stupid thus far to notice that this policy is useless in dealing with people who believe they are their beliefs. It might be too late, though, to try to fix our mistake now, not that we'd have a clue how to fix it anyway. And now we're all flying by the seat of our pants while the right wing horde blames everyone besides themselves and actively support (if not commit) the most heinous acts on the most vulnerable human beings, including themselves. There is no other direction to go with this now. The closed, infantile, stunted ideology they worship has a life of its own now. The US is a toddler with a gun because of that very ideology being unleashed on secular society through not questioning it, not challenging the pedestal it sits on.

And it's not even the particular flavor of the religious ideology that I accuse, but the mechanisms that apply to any cult or social dominance ideology: submission to unquestioned authority of one or few over everyone else, emphasis on conformity, value of the group identity over humanity as a whole, discouraging or punishing doubt and questioning, etc. Fine if it's only a small fraction of the world to think this way, but when large numbers operate under such a stupid and inhumane framework, why should any of us be surprised?

I'm not saying I have a useful answer for how to hold each other accountable for examining our beliefs going forward, much less for how to stop the current right wing disease now that it's jumped the secular barrier completely. I do know that we have tools for mitigating the effects of bad ideas. We still have a public school system that has the capacity to teach these tools. We have advanced technologies and a massive virtual world of information and communication that make these tools widely available. But the right wing monster simply turns phrases like "critical thinking skills" into demons that the base will fear.

We're held captive by a dangerous infant propped up by ideological corruption, all because so many of us were indoctrinated to follow an authority and avoid developing our own conscience.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Did you even read the Cracked article?

 

[Ford]

Yeah, it is amazing that I understand them instead of merely dismissing them all as inbred racists.

They're not being dismissed as much as being held accountable. The "political correctness" they've been trained to complain about is exactly why they haven't been held accountable until we're up to our necks in a diseased GOP. We softies on the left insist on respect for people but not necessarily for beliefs, but we've been too stupid thus far to notice that this policy is useless in dealing with people who believe they are their beliefs. It might be too late, though, to try to fix our mistake now, not that we'd have a clue how to fix it anyway. And now we're all flying by the seat of our pants while the right wing horde blames everyone besides themselves and actively support (if not commit) the most heinous acts on the most vulnerable human beings, including themselves. There is no other direction to go with this now. The closed, infantile, stunted ideology they worship has a life of its own now. The US is a toddler with a gun because of that very ideology being unleashed on secular society through not questioning it, not challenging the pedestal it sits on.

And it's not even the particular flavor of the religious ideology that I accuse, but the mechanisms that apply to any cult or social dominance ideology: submission to unquestioned authority of one or few over everyone else, emphasis on conformity, value of the group identity over humanity as a whole, discouraging or punishing doubt and questioning, etc. Fine if it's only a small fraction of the world to think this way, but when large numbers operate under such a stupid and inhumane framework, why should any of us be surprised?

I'm not saying I have a useful answer for how to hold each other accountable for examining our beliefs going forward, much less for how to stop the current right wing disease now that it's jumped the secular barrier completely. I do know that we have tools for mitigating the effects of bad ideas. We still have a public school system that has the capacity to teach these tools. We have advanced technologies and a massive virtual world of information and communication that make these tools widely available. But the right wing monster simply turns phrases like "critical thinking skills" into demons that the base will fear.

We're held captive by a dangerous infant propped up by ideological corruption, all because so many of us were indoctrinated to follow an authority and avoid developing our own conscience.

Yeah but I'm going to dismiss all that out of hand because I read an article on a humor website that confirmed my preconceived notions. Did you read it? No? Jeez...

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

And it's not even the particular flavor of the religious ideology that I accuse, but the mechanisms that apply to any cult or social dominance ideology: submission to unquestioned authority of one or few over everyone else, emphasis on conformity, value of the group identity over humanity as a whole, discouraging or punishing doubt and questioning, etc. Fine if it's only a small fraction of the world to think this way, but when large numbers operate under such a stupid and inhumane framework, why should any of us be surprised?

What I find particularly interesting about you is that you seem to think this only applies to the right wing and not to the regressive left.

I do know that we have tools for mitigating the effects of bad ideas. We still have a public school system that has the capacity to teach these tools.

Sadly, it is eroding rather quickly. See what they did to Lindsey Shepherd: https://globalnews.ca/news/3923478/wilfrid-laurier-no-complaint-lindsay-shepherd/

See Heterodox Academy: https://heterodoxacademy.org/

But the right wing monster simply turns phrases like "critical thinking skills" into demons that the base will fear.

Again, this isn't exclusive to the right wing. See any protest against Jordan Peterson. See many responses to Ben Shapiro. See the now famous "gross and racist" attack from Ben Afleck against Sam Harris, and Cenk Uygur's subsequent treatment of Harris that was so charged with demons and so devoid of critical thinking and listening that it pushed Dave Rubin to leave him and start his own show.

We're held captive by a dangerous infant propped up by ideological corruption, all because so many of us were indoctrinated to follow an authority and avoid developing our own conscience.

Agreed