Another QB loses job for exercising free speech rights

[Jimmy Higgins]

But there is a natural right to NFL money for Kaep et al?
Or is it the content of their speech that leads you to the different conclusion?

The NFL is paying Collin Kaepernick? How much?

I think Derec has this ridiculous notion that Dannon is an arm of the NFL. Dannon cancelled the deal with Newton, so Dannon isn't giving him money... not the NFL.

It is another example of how some people seem to be clueless when it comes to proper analogies.

 

[coloradoatheist]

The NFL is paying Collin Kaepernick? How much?

I think Derec has this ridiculous notion that Dannon is an arm of the NFL. Dannon cancelled the deal with Newton, so Dannon isn't giving him money... not the NFL.

It is another example of how some people seem to be clueless when it comes to proper analogies.

We're trying to make sure people are consistent with their principles but they aren't. It's definitely hey if I like the speech than you can't fire someone.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think Derec has this ridiculous notion that Dannon is an arm of the NFL. Dannon cancelled the deal with Newton, so Dannon isn't giving him money... not the NFL.

It is another example of how some people seem to be clueless when it comes to proper analogies.

We're trying to make sure people are consistent with their principles but they aren't. It's definitely hey if I like the speech than you can't fire someone.

Kaepernick and others have protested by kneeling or locking arms during the National Anthem. This has had no effect on anyone's lives.

Cam Newton publicly embarrassed a reporter by ridiculing her presence at a press conference because she has a vagina. This affected one person's life. Dannon, who likely counts on people with vaginas as a major portion of their yogurt guzzling base, saw a potential image issue, so they acted on it.

As a reminder, Cam Newton threw for 355 yds and 3 TDs yesterday. He is still playing.

 

[repoman]

He also embarrassed himself.

 

[dismal]

We're trying to make sure people are consistent with their principles but they aren't. It's definitely hey if I like the speech than you can't fire someone.

Kaepernick and others have protested by kneeling or locking arms during the National Anthem. This has had no effect on anyone's lives.

Cam Newton publicly embarrassed a reporter by ridiculing her presence at a press conference because she has a vagina. This affected one person's life. As a reminder, Cam Newton threw for 355 yds and 3 TDs yesterday. He is still playing.

My copy of the Constitution draws no distinction between speech that consists of kneeling and locking arms and speech because of vaginas.

 

[coloradoatheist]

We're trying to make sure people are consistent with their principles but they aren't. It's definitely hey if I like the speech than you can't fire someone.

Kaepernick and others have protested by kneeling or locking arms during the National Anthem. This has had no effect on anyone's lives.

Cam Newton publicly embarrassed a reporter by ridiculing her presence at a press conference because she has a vagina. This affected one person's life. Dannon, who likely counts on people with vaginas as a major portion of their yogurt guzzling base, saw a potential image issue, so they acted on it.

As a reminder, Cam Newton threw for 355 yds and 3 TDs yesterday. He is still playing.

And that's a stretch to say it had a real affect on the reporters life too, but it's the group that's paying that decides the impact of their actions. Dannon had to decide how Cam's words affected their customers the same way NFL teams have to decide how their payroll employees affect their customers.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Kaepernick and others have protested by kneeling or locking arms during the National Anthem. This has had no effect on anyone's lives.

Cam Newton publicly embarrassed a reporter by ridiculing her presence at a press conference because she has a vagina. This affected one person's life. As a reminder, Cam Newton threw for 355 yds and 3 TDs yesterday. He is still playing.

My copy of the Constitution draws no distinction between speech that consists of kneeling and locking arms and speech because of vaginas.

I don't see references to the NFL or yogurt in there either.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Kaepernick and others have protested by kneeling or locking arms during the National Anthem. This has had no effect on anyone's lives.

Cam Newton publicly embarrassed a reporter by ridiculing her presence at a press conference because she has a vagina. This affected one person's life. Dannon, who likely counts on people with vaginas as a major portion of their yogurt guzzling base, saw a potential image issue, so they acted on it.

As a reminder, Cam Newton threw for 355 yds and 3 TDs yesterday. He is still playing.

And that's a stretch to say it had a real affect on the reporters life too,...

No. It isn't a stretch. It was a belittling comment based on sexism. I doubt the reporter will be seeking therapy for it, but it did have an effect.

...but it's the group that's paying that decides the impact of their actions. Dannon had to decide how Cam's words affected their customers the same way NFL teams have to decide how their payroll employees affect their customers.

And right now, Newton and the protesters are all playing ball and third party people are losing their shit that the NFL isn't excommunicating people that kneel.

 

[coloradoatheist]

And that's a stretch to say it had a real affect on the reporters life too,...

No. It isn't a stretch. It was a belittling comment based on sexism. I doubt the reporter will be seeking therapy for it, but it did have an effect.

...but it's the group that's paying that decides the impact of their actions. Dannon had to decide how Cam's words affected their customers the same way NFL teams have to decide how their payroll employees affect their customers.

And right now, Newton and the protesters are all playing ball and third party people are losing their shit that the NFL isn't excommunicating people that kneel.

Except there a lot of people who have believed that Kapernick's kneeling was belittling to a group of people in the US. And you proved my point, not consistent on principles, just "this speech I am okay with this, this speech I am not" The PC police.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No. It isn't a stretch. It was a belittling comment based on sexism. I doubt the reporter will be seeking therapy for it, but it did have an effect.

...but it's the group that's paying that decides the impact of their actions. Dannon had to decide how Cam's words affected their customers the same way NFL teams have to decide how their payroll employees affect their customers.

And right now, Newton and the protesters are all playing ball and third party people are losing their shit that the NFL isn't excommunicating people that kneel.

Except there a lot of people who have believed that Kapernick's kneeling was belittling to a group of people in the US.

Has this become some sort of avant garde protest, where kneeling is some "artsy" way to flip off the troops, because I just don't see it. Not a single player has verbalized a single word that was detrimental to the troops, the flag, or the nation. Third parties seem to be putting words into their mouths. And when asked, they don't say they hate troops. A bunch of players have protested and some white people are shitting their pants because they want the protest to mean something it doesn't. Kind of like how the exact same assholes said likewise to Obama's "apology" Tour when he initially was President.

However, Newton definitely made a statement that was belittling to a female reporter. A third party didn't step in and claim that a non-response was actually an insult to women.

 

[coloradoatheist]

No. It isn't a stretch. It was a belittling comment based on sexism. I doubt the reporter will be seeking therapy for it, but it did have an effect.

...but it's the group that's paying that decides the impact of their actions. Dannon had to decide how Cam's words affected their customers the same way NFL teams have to decide how their payroll employees affect their customers.

And right now, Newton and the protesters are all playing ball and third party people are losing their shit that the NFL isn't excommunicating people that kneel.

Except there a lot of people who have believed that Kapernick's kneeling was belittling to a group of people in the US.

Has this become some sort of avant garde protest, where kneeling is some "artsy" way to flip off the troops, because I just don't see it. Not a single player has verbalized a single word that was detrimental to the troops, the flag, or the nation. Third parties seem to be putting words into their mouths. And when asked, they don't say they hate troops. A bunch of players have protested and some white people are shitting their pants because they want the protest to mean something it doesn't. Kind of like how the exact same assholes said likewise to Obama's "apology" Tour when he initially was President.

However, Newton definitely made a statement that was belittling to a female reporter. A third party didn't step in and claim that a non-response was actually an insult to women.

Not standing for the national anthem has been controversial. It cost one NBA player a lot in the NBA.

https://theundefeated.com/features/abdul-rauf-doesnt-regret-sitting-out-national-anthem/

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No. It isn't a stretch. It was a belittling comment based on sexism. I doubt the reporter will be seeking therapy for it, but it did have an effect.

...but it's the group that's paying that decides the impact of their actions. Dannon had to decide how Cam's words affected their customers the same way NFL teams have to decide how their payroll employees affect their customers.

And right now, Newton and the protesters are all playing ball and third party people are losing their shit that the NFL isn't excommunicating people that kneel.

Except there a lot of people who have believed that Kapernick's kneeling was belittling to a group of people in the US.

Has this become some sort of avant garde protest, where kneeling is some "artsy" way to flip off the troops, because I just don't see it. Not a single player has verbalized a single word that was detrimental to the troops, the flag, or the nation. Third parties seem to be putting words into their mouths. And when asked, they don't say they hate troops. A bunch of players have protested and some white people are shitting their pants because they want the protest to mean something it doesn't. Kind of like how the exact same assholes said likewise to Obama's "apology" Tour when he initially was President.

However, Newton definitely made a statement that was belittling to a female reporter. A third party didn't step in and claim that a non-response was actually an insult to women.

Not standing for the national anthem has been controversial. It cost one NBA player a lot in the NBA.

https://theundefeated.com/features/abdul-rauf-doesnt-regret-sitting-out-national-anthem/

It sounds like no one even noticed for a while, including the NBA. So controversial that no one could be even tell.

 

[dismal]

My copy of the Constitution draws no distinction between speech that consists of kneeling and locking arms and speech because of vaginas.

I don't see references to the NFL or yogurt in there either.

Yes, those also seem like irrelevant distinctions.

 

[cycomiko]

What exactly is the debate here? Free speech rights in the workplace don't really exist and the courts have said as much. Dannon dropped Newton and it won't affect them in any negative way. Your average NFL fan probably isn't buying that product anyway. If the NFL were to fire all the protesting players just to appease the people who care more about a song and a piece of fabric than their fellow citizens, they be firing many of their best players or even entire teams. Trump might be that stupid with his businesses but I doubt the NFL owners are.

The flag represents many things and not all of them are good. The US isn't the best at everything (anything?) and has many systemic issues that it refuses to work through and those are worthy of protest. The same idiots boycotting the NFL cuz them darkies don't stand when they play our song, are probably also upset about confederate flags and statues coming down even though those are also disrespecting the US.

In summary, the NFL is totally within their rights to fire all the protesting players but they're not dumb enough to do that.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't see references to the NFL or yogurt in there either.

Yes, those also seem like irrelevant distinctions.

Wait, are you actually trying to make a point?

 

[dismal]

Yes, those also seem like irrelevant distinctions.

Wait, are you actually trying to make a point?

You mean besides the obvious point that America was built on free speech?

 

[coloradoatheist]

No. It isn't a stretch. It was a belittling comment based on sexism. I doubt the reporter will be seeking therapy for it, but it did have an effect.

...but it's the group that's paying that decides the impact of their actions. Dannon had to decide how Cam's words affected their customers the same way NFL teams have to decide how their payroll employees affect their customers.

And right now, Newton and the protesters are all playing ball and third party people are losing their shit that the NFL isn't excommunicating people that kneel.

Except there a lot of people who have believed that Kapernick's kneeling was belittling to a group of people in the US.

Has this become some sort of avant garde protest, where kneeling is some "artsy" way to flip off the troops, because I just don't see it. Not a single player has verbalized a single word that was detrimental to the troops, the flag, or the nation. Third parties seem to be putting words into their mouths. And when asked, they don't say they hate troops. A bunch of players have protested and some white people are shitting their pants because they want the protest to mean something it doesn't. Kind of like how the exact same assholes said likewise to Obama's "apology" Tour when he initially was President.

However, Newton definitely made a statement that was belittling to a female reporter. A third party didn't step in and claim that a non-response was actually an insult to women.

Not standing for the national anthem has been controversial. It cost one NBA player a lot in the NBA.

https://theundefeated.com/features/abdul-rauf-doesnt-regret-sitting-out-national-anthem/

It sounds like no one even noticed for a while, including the NBA. So controversial that no one could be even tell.

Because he didn't shows his non support. Would Kapernick have tried to make his point if he just stayed in the locker room too. I remember Raof and just remember him not standing.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Wait, are you actually trying to make a point?

You mean besides the obvious point that America was built on free speech?

Actually it was more about taxation with representation, but really, I'm not really clear why you feel it is relevant in a thread about a spokesperson for a corporation being let go after making a belittling sexist remark against a person who is within a key demographic of said corporation.

He isn't on trial or being sent to prison.

If you feel so strongly about this, you could start up your own yogurt company and immediately hire Cam Newton to right this wrong.

 

[dismal]

You mean besides the obvious point that America was built on free speech?

Actually it was more about taxation with representation, but really, I'm not really clear why you feel it is relevant in a thread about a spokesperson for a corporation being let go after making a belittling sexist remark against a person who is within a key demographic of said corporation.

He isn't on trial or being sent to prison.

You talking about Kaepernick?

Can't you let the fact he said Hillary Clinton belongs in jail go?

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

No. It isn't a stretch. It was a belittling comment based on sexism. I doubt the reporter will be seeking therapy for it, but it did have an effect.

...but it's the group that's paying that decides the impact of their actions. Dannon had to decide how Cam's words affected their customers the same way NFL teams have to decide how their payroll employees affect their customers.

And right now, Newton and the protesters are all playing ball and third party people are losing their shit that the NFL isn't excommunicating people that kneel.

Except there a lot of people who have believed that Kapernick's kneeling was belittling to a group of people in the US.

Has this become some sort of avant garde protest, where kneeling is some "artsy" way to flip off the troops, because I just don't see it. Not a single player has verbalized a single word that was detrimental to the troops, the flag, or the nation. Third parties seem to be putting words into their mouths. And when asked, they don't say they hate troops. A bunch of players have protested and some white people are shitting their pants because they want the protest to mean something it doesn't. Kind of like how the exact same assholes said likewise to Obama's "apology" Tour when he initially was President.

However, Newton definitely made a statement that was belittling to a female reporter. A third party didn't step in and claim that a non-response was actually an insult to women.

Not standing for the national anthem has been controversial. It cost one NBA player a lot in the NBA.

https://theundefeated.com/features/abdul-rauf-doesnt-regret-sitting-out-national-anthem/

It sounds like no one even noticed for a while, including the NBA. So controversial that no one could be even tell.

Because he didn't shows his non support. Would Kapernick have tried to make his point if he just stayed in the locker room too. I remember Raof and just remember him not standing.

Actually, staying in the locker room for the anthem is a violation of league policy. There is no league requirement, nor any contract clause that I'm aware of, for a player to stand for the anthem.

I see that Jerry Jones, owner of the Dallas Cowboys, has thrown down the gauntlet, declaring that any player who kneels or otherwise shows "disrespect" will not play. I don't think Cowboys players have the stones to challenge him, but it would be very interesting if they did. I can think of a couple teams that wouldn't be able to field 11 players if their owner said that (e.g. Seahawks, Raiders).