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Another QB loses job for exercising free speech rights

What was rude or disrespectful in anything Kaepernick did?
That is not the issue here.
The teams each decided that Kaep's prowess at throwing an egg is not high enough to compensate for his antics.
Show me this "rude" behavior.
I think his socks were pretty rude.
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But again, that is not the issue here. Your inconsistency is.
Is there a national catechism regarding football and the national anthem?
No there isn't. There is also not a national catechism about what Newton did. So why is it ok for Dannon to cancel his contract, but not ok for NFL teams to not give him a new contract? Should teams be forced to hire Kaep because reasons?
 
The Constitution says the government cannot create consequences for speech.

Nothing about a private enterprises and their spokespeople.

Oh, OK.

Yeah. You are full of shit.

Well, I did just agree with something you said so it's a high likelihood.

You think the Constitution protects people from the contractual consequences of their speech.

It doesn't.

Newton can say whatever he wants. Nobody is trying to put a muzzle on him. None of his rights are being threatened.

But he can't say whatever he wants and work for Dannon as their spokesperson and front man.
 
The Constitution says the government cannot create consequences for speech.

Nothing about a private enterprises and their spokespeople.

Oh, OK.

Yeah. You are full of shit.

Well, I did just agree with something you said so it's a high likelihood.

You think the Constitution protects people from the contractual consequences of their speech.

It doesn't.

Newton can say whatever he wants. Nobody is trying to put a muzzle on him. None of his rights are being threatened.

But he can't say whatever he wants and work for Dannon as their spokesperson and front man.

Well, no, actually I agreed with you on this point. You were very convincing.
 
The Constitution says the government cannot create consequences for speech.

Nothing about a private enterprises and their spokespeople.

Oh, OK.

Yeah. You are full of shit.

Well, I did just agree with something you said so it's a high likelihood.

You think the Constitution protects people from the contractual consequences of their speech.

It doesn't.

Newton can say whatever he wants. Nobody is trying to put a muzzle on him. None of his rights are being threatened.

But he can't say whatever he wants and work for Dannon as their spokesperson and front man.

Well, no, actually I agreed with you on this point.

untermesche wins!

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The Constitution says the government cannot create consequences for speech.

Nothing about a private enterprises and their spokespeople.

Oh, OK.

Yeah. You are full of shit.

Well, I did just agree with something you said so it's a high likelihood.

You think the Constitution protects people from the contractual consequences of their speech.

It doesn't.

Newton can say whatever he wants. Nobody is trying to put a muzzle on him. None of his rights are being threatened.

But he can't say whatever he wants and work for Dannon as their spokesperson and front man.

Well, no, actually I agreed with you on this point.

untermesche wins!

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Shouldn't you be schooling him about monopolies and only jobs?
 
That is not the issue here.
The teams each decided that Kaep's prowess at throwing an egg is not high enough to compensate for his antics.
Show me this "rude" behavior.
I think his socks were pretty rude.

It describes some of the police well but only a minority.

What is your problem?

How is describing only some of the police rude?

But again, that is not the issue here. Your inconsistency is.

Is there a national catechism regarding football and the national anthem?

No there isn't. There is also not a national catechism about what Newton did. So why is it ok for Dannon to cancel his contract, but not ok for NFL teams to not give him a new contract? Should teams be forced to hire Kaep because reasons?

There most definitely is a corporate catechism for who they want representing them.

Cam is not making the yogurt by the way. His job has nothing to do with yogurt.

A whiff of controversy is too much.
 
Situations are not equivalent. Dannon is not a monopoly,
Neither are any of the NFL teams. He wasn't blacklisted by the NFL, each team decided for themselves not to sign him. And not even NFL is really a monopoly. Kaep could go play Arena Football. Or go to Canada.

nor is this the guy's primary job,
What does that have to do with anything?
 
But there is a natural right to NFL money for Kaep et al?
Or is it the content of their speech that leads you to the different conclusion?

What did Kaepernick do?

He knelt silently.

He showed more respect than most.

How is that a violation of his contract?

You'll notice he was not fired.

Just blackballed.
Silent as a middle finger. Explain the timing.
 
It describes some of the police well but only a minority.
Does it really? Have government efforts to create a race of mutant pig men really come to fruition? Except pig policemen instead of pig warriors.

How is describing only some of the police rude?
How do you know Kaep is describing only some police? He became a #BLM activist (thanks in great part to his radical girlfriend) and #BLM see all police as enemies and cop killers as heroes.

And in any case, depicting police as pigs is rude even if it were about a subset.

There most definitely is a corporate catechism for who they want representing them.
Which applies to NFL teams as well. Especially when Kaep's antics were done while he was on the clock, wearing the uniform and helmet, and thus representing the 49ers franchise.

Cam is not making the yogurt by the way. His job has nothing to do with yogurt.
So what?
 
What did Kaepernick do?

He knelt silently.

He showed more respect than most.

How is that a violation of his contract?

You'll notice he was not fired.

Just blackballed.
Silent as a middle finger. Explain the timing.

Never knew kneeling silently was kinda like giving somebody the middle finger.

All those people in the churches giving Jesus the middle finger.
 
There most definitely is a corporate catechism for who they want representing them.
Which applies to NFL teams as well. Especially when Kaep's antics were done while he was on the clock, wearing the uniform and helmet, and thus representing the 49ers franchise.

You can't show me any "antics".

He wore some questionable socks once. Who knows when?

A black man kneels silently and that just upsets the Neanderthals.

Cam is not making the yogurt by the way. His job has nothing to do with yogurt.


He is being paid only to be a spokesperson.

But that requires having a positive image with women too.
 
Situations are not equivalent. Dannon is not a monopoly, nor is this the guy's primary job, but even so I haven't heard his own explanation and the comments seem kind of mild.

I think he might have miscommunicated what his point was. Empirically, what he said may be true. It's funny (odd) to see a woman interviewing about a technical sports question dominated by men and his point may have been that he welcomed it. Who knows without asking him? To conclude automatically that it was disparaging might be jumping.

So, I think the problem is one of sensitivity and it was a teachable moment that failed to teach. So, he might be asked how he would feel if he were in those same shoes as her and someone said, "It's funny to see a Black man as a quarterback." Would he be taken aback at first? Proper response might be "Sorry, I didn't mean it to come out that way. What I meant is that it's uncommon and I think it's great."

He could have learned something and apologized. Dannon could have been more forgiving about it, if so.

On the other hand, without his explanation, I also cannot be sure he wasn't being disparaging, saying it was humorous because of the inherent qualities and characteristics that make womanhood etc...,

I heard that he actually did apologize for it later, and said in private that he should have said "reporters". But Jourdan says he was actually worse in private. It's basically a bad look, and I'm sure Dannon has plenty of women who buy their products. Unlike Kaepernick, who worked with a vet to figure out an appropriate way to protest (and I've seen many vets who support him), this is just a bad look, done in front of cameras.
 
Situations are not equivalent. Dannon is not a monopoly, nor is this the guy's primary job, but even so I haven't heard his own explanation and the comments seem kind of mild.

I think he might have miscommunicated what his point was. Empirically, what he said may be true. It's funny (odd) to see a woman interviewing about a technical sports question dominated by men and his point may have been that he welcomed it. Who knows without asking him? To conclude automatically that it was disparaging might be jumping.

So, I think the problem is one of sensitivity and it was a teachable moment that failed to teach. So, he might be asked how he would feel if he were in those same shoes as her and someone said, "It's funny to see a Black man as a quarterback." Would he be taken aback at first? Proper response might be "Sorry, I didn't mean it to come out that way. What I meant is that it's uncommon and I think it's great."

He could have learned something and apologized. Dannon could have been more forgiving about it, if so.

On the other hand, without his explanation, I also cannot be sure he wasn't being disparaging, saying it was humorous because of the inherent qualities and characteristics that make womanhood etc...,

I heard that he actually did apologize for it later, and said in private that he should have said "reporters". But Jourdan says he was actually worse in private. It's basically a bad look, and I'm sure Dannon has plenty of women who buy their products. Unlike Kaepernick, who worked with a vet to figure out an appropriate way to protest (and I've seen many vets who support him), this is just a bad look, done in front of cameras.

But free speech, right? America?
 
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