Venezuela: la mierda hits el ventilador

[skepticalbip]

It's not just his family but his cronies also. Seized stuff is given to cronies to run. The billions he amassed is only a small part of the total looting.

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Well, it sorta becomes fairly obvious if the outrageous wealth his family accumulated while he was in charge of the country is examined.

You have any REAL evidence of this?

Try googling "Chavez net worth". Plenty of links. He didn't start with any large amount of money, he didn't grow a corporation, thus he has no legitimate source for the money. It's from looting.

I asked YOU for a link to a reputable source.

You obviously don't have one and have never seen this from one.

The Wikipedia link is from Forbes. They say there is only ONE Venezuelan billionaire.

You are full of shit and simply believe this nonsense about looting because it suits your insanity.

Forbes doesn't go looking for billionaires that don't want to admit their wealth.

True... Forbes lists industrialists and business magnates, not just anyone who owns many large estates and stashes cash in accounts spread around the world.

 

[untermensche]

True... Forbes lists industrialists and business magnates, not just anyone who owns many large estates and stashes cash in accounts spread around the world.

No evidence exists that Chavez stole anything.

Yes all kinds of claims have been made by his enemies.

His enemies shot people in the streets and tried to overturned the democratic will of the people with force.

And still some morons parrot the lies from his enemies.

 

[Trausti]

True... Forbes lists industrialists and business magnates, not just anyone who owns many large estates and stashes cash in accounts spread around the world.

No evidence exists that Chavez stole anything.

Yes all kinds of claims have been made by his enemies.

His enemies shot people in the streets and tried to overturned the democratic will of the people with force.

And still some morons parrot the lies from his enemies.

My dude, you're like a child refusing to believe Santa Claus isn't real. How do you think the Chavez's daughter got so wealthy? There's no excuse for this level of naivety.

 

[untermensche]

No evidence exists that Chavez stole anything.

Yes all kinds of claims have been made by his enemies.

His enemies shot people in the streets and tried to overturned the democratic will of the people with force.

And still some morons parrot the lies from his enemies.

My dude, you're like a child refusing to believe Santa Claus isn't real. How do you think the Chavez's daughter got so wealthy? There's no excuse for this level of naivety.

She isn't wealthy.

You are a sucker who will believe anything.

 

[Trausti]

My dude, you're like a child refusing to believe Santa Claus isn't real. How do you think the Chavez's daughter got so wealthy? There's no excuse for this level of naivety.

She isn't wealthy.

You are a sucker who will believe anything.

 

[LordKiran]

She isn't wealthy.

You are a sucker who will believe anything.

And yet you STILL can't provide the evidence he specifically asked for.

Put up, or shut up.

 

[untermensche]

And yet you STILL can't provide the evidence he specifically asked for.

Put up, or shut up.

It is amusing.

These deluded fools passing off bogus claims without any evidence.

They are the passive stooges of others already. No need to lock them up.

 

[LordKiran]

And yet you STILL can't provide the evidence he specifically asked for.

Put up, or shut up.

It is amusing.

These deluded fools passing off bogus claims without any evidence.

They are the passive stooges of others already. No need to lock them up.

I'm sure you've never done this, ever.

That aside, your instigatory insults are unhelpful, dial it back.

 

[dismal]

Here's the interesting question:

If it wasn't *real* socialism, why do the socialist fanboys go to such ridiculous lengths to defend it?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

No evidence exists that Chavez stole anything.

Yes all kinds of claims have been made by his enemies.

His enemies shot people in the streets and tried to overturned the democratic will of the people with force.

And still some morons parrot the lies from his enemies.

My dude, you're like a child refusing to believe Santa Claus isn't real. How do you think the Chavez's daughter got so wealthy?

What, EXACTLY, makes you think she's wealthy at all?

Let's start with the basics: how do you even know Hugo Chavez HAS a daughter? What's her name, how old is she, what does she do for a living and where does she currently live? All of which are things you would probably have to know before you can claim she's rich.

 

[LordKiran]

Here's the interesting question:

If it wasn't *real* socialism, why do the socialist fanboys go to such ridiculous lengths to defend it?

For what it's worth, The Venezuelan government is not what I was defending.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Here's the interesting question:

If it wasn't *real* socialism, why do the socialist fanboys go to such ridiculous lengths to defend it?

That IS an interesting question. Maybe you should ask them?

 

[untermensche]

Here's the interesting question:

If it wasn't *real* socialism, why do the socialist fanboys go to such ridiculous lengths to defend it?

It was a legitimate attempt to include all citizens in the process.

It was a reaction to decades of exclusion based on ancestry.

Some prefer the apartheid state that existed prior to Chavez.

They call it justice.

 

[Horatio Parker]

FWIW, here's what Chomsky said recently about South America generally and Venezuela specifically.

 

[skepticalbip]

FWIW, here's what Chomsky said recently about South America generally and Venezuela specifically.

Chomsky may (or may not) be a decent scholar of linguistics but all credibility in his political analytical expertise should have been destroyed in the 1970s. This is the man that supported Pol Pot against all criticism. For years, he blamed the reported atrocities in Cambodia on the CIA. After the atrocities could no longer be denied, he attempted to minimize them.

In this piece, he says that Chavez had little success in moving the economy away from an oil based economy and in developing agriculture and industry. Reality is that Chavez nationalized the fairly productive agricultural and industrial businesses which then collapsed under the new socialist control. This pushed the Venezuelan economy to be primarily reliant on oil. Oil was always a major part of Venezuelan economy but Chavez's "reforms" made Venezuela almost completely dependent on oil.

 

[untermensche]

FWIW, here's what Chomsky said recently about South America generally and Venezuela specifically.

Chomsky may (or may not) be a decent scholar of linguistics but all credibility in his political analytical expertise should have been destroyed in the 1970s. This is the man that supported Pol Pot against all criticism. For years, he blamed the reported atrocities in Cambodia on the CIA. After the atrocities could no longer be denied, he attempted to minimize them.

In this piece, he says that Chavez had little success in moving the economy away from an oil based economy and in developing agriculture and industry. Reality is that Chavez nationalized the fairly productive agricultural and industrial businesses which then collapsed under the new socialist control. This pushed the Venezuelan economy to be primarily reliant on oil. Oil was always a major part of Venezuelan economy but Chavez's "reforms" made Venezuela almost completely dependent on oil.

Chomsky never once supported Pol Pot.

That is a lie.

What he said was the atrocities of Pol Pot were equivalent to the atrocities against the people of East Timor.

He goes on to say we only care about Pol Pot's atrocities because he was an enemy. The atrocities of the Indonesian government were completely invisible because they were a friend.

He uses this example to show how the news is skewed by the political considerations of those in power.

 

[skepticalbip]

Chomsky never once supported Pol Pot.

That is a lie.

 

[LordKiran]

Chomsky never once supported Pol Pot.

That is a lie.

But seriously, we illegally killed like six figures of Cambodians ourselves, so it's not like we're particularly good role models in that respect.

 

[skepticalbip]

But seriously, we illegally killed like six figures of Cambodians ourselves, so it's not like we're particularly good role models in that respect.

I would question the six figures, that was one of Chomsky's invented claims. But we did wage a covert (illegal) operation against the Khmer Rouge army in Cambodia. This operation ended when we withdrew from Viet Nam, then Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge had free reign and took over the country.

 

[Horatio Parker]

FWIW, here's what Chomsky said recently about South America generally and Venezuela specifically.

Chomsky may (or may not) be a decent scholar of linguistics but all credibility in his political analytical expertise should have been destroyed in the 1970s. This is the man that supported Pol Pot against all criticism. For years, he blamed the reported atrocities in Cambodia on the CIA. After the atrocities could no longer be denied, he attempted to minimize them.

Baloney. Chomsky never supported Pol Pot, that's nonsense, as is any justification for atrocities. What he said in 1977, when conflicting stories about mass killings were circulating, was that apologists for US intervention in Indochina had an interest in reports of mass killings, since they cast US actions in a more favorable light and should therefore be viewed with caution.

In this piece, he says that Chavez had little success in moving the economy away from an oil based economy and in developing agriculture and industry. Reality is that Chavez nationalized the fairly productive agricultural and industrial businesses which then collapsed under the new socialist control. This pushed the Venezuelan economy to be primarily reliant on oil. Oil was always a major part of Venezuelan economy but Chavez's "reforms" made Venezuela almost completely dependent on oil.

Reality is that the so called progressive parties are riddled with corruption and allying themselves with the traditional elites in ripping off the people.