Now the alt-left is going after Columbus ...

[dismal]

Yeah, I don't know of any one in Congress who has any affiliation with the KKK since Robert Byrd (an ex-KKK exalted cyclops) died seven years ago. He is, however, still an icon for many Democrats. In her 2008 primary run, Hillary named him as her mentor and his statue still stands in the capitol building.

But let's not look past party and group affiliations, otherwise that would create the impression that people are not blocks of concrete that can be neatly categorized by political party.

For the 2003–2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the N.A.A.C.P.'s position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating. In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently." Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda".

Someone who was raised to be a racist and later realized the error of his upbringing is EXACTLY the kind of person we should be memorializing.

Since when are we allowed to consider the totality and circumstances of someone's life, Mr KKK apologist?

 

[skepticalbip]

Yeah, I don't know of any one in Congress who has any affiliation with the KKK since Robert Byrd (an ex-KKK exalted cyclops) died seven years ago. He is, however, still an icon for many Democrats. In her 2008 primary run, Hillary named him as her mentor and his statue still stands in the capitol building.

But let's not look past party and group affiliations, otherwise that would create the impression that people are not blocks of concrete that can be neatly categorized by political party.

For the 2003–2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the N.A.A.C.P.'s position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating. In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently." Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda".

Someone who was raised to be a racist and later realized the error of his upbringing is EXACTLY the kind of person we should be memorializing.

You are confusing what people say for political expediency and what they do. Robert Byrd filibusted then voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, well over a decade after he says he separated himself from the KKK. And as late as 2001 still referred to white people supporting civil rights as "white niggers".

 

[Kharakov]

There are people who think it's cool to lynch certain actual living human beings, and to defend the right to own and lynch human beings, and raised statues to venerate the people who defended the cause, and the right to own/lynch, and want to reorganize the country so they can own or at least happily lynch people they think shouldn't be considered Americans, but let's get het up about the vandalism.

There are people who think it's cornswaggles to use the financial system to create wage slaves out of human beings as long as they are polite and politically correct while doing it.

There are people who think it's fuzzywumpus to use the financial system to limit other's ability to magnify their own, instead of seeking to make things better for all that seek to make things better for all that....

They should be lynched, because they think really weird adjectives.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

There is no such thing as the 'alt-left';

But of course there is. Occupy Wall Street, #BLM, Antifa etc., i.e. leftist groups outside or on the fringes of the Democratic Party power structure are alt-left. It is the Left that is the alternative to the mainstream Left in the US.

I am not saying that everybody who dislikes Columbus is alt-left. But using vandalism (what alt-leftists like to call "direct action") is. And I am not a follower of WND. But just because they wrote something, does not invalidate the entire concept of alt-left. How else would you describe the radicals who vandalize monuments and torch QTs to make a political point?

If you define "Alt-Left" as anybody not in the mainstream left, but an alternative to it, which would include a wide spectrum of conflicting views, then how can you speak of alt-leftists as if they are one group, that likes to call anything "direct action"?

 

[laughing dog]

But let's not look past party and group affiliations, otherwise that would create the impression that people are not blocks of concrete that can be neatly categorized by political party.

For the 2003–2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the N.A.A.C.P.'s position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating. In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently." Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda".

Someone who was raised to be a racist and later realized the error of his upbringing is EXACTLY the kind of person we should be memorializing.

You are confusing what people say for political expediency and what they do. Robert Byrd filibusted then voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, well over a decade after he says he separated himself from the KKK. And as late as 2001 still referred to white people supporting civil rights as "white niggers".

It takes a real idiosyncratic view of "relevancy" to think Robert Byrd has anything to do with an OP about the alt-left and defacing a statue of Christopher Columbus.

 

[ronburgundy]

Yeah, I don't know of any one in Congress who has any affiliation with the KKK since Robert Byrd (an ex-KKK exalted cyclops) died seven years ago. He is, however, still an icon for many Democrats. In her 2008 primary run, Hillary named him as her mentor and his statue still stands in the capitol building.

If we start tearing down Robert Byrd stuff it will be the end of half the bridges and highways in West Virginia.

Or, it will the utterly meaningless end to a pile of plaques and signs, leaving the highways and bridges fully in tact.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Because that was more than 500 years in the past. During the time when such atrocities were very commonplace.

Next time don't complain about "cultural relativism", then.

Also, I'm pretty sure "please dont kill me" was a common phrase throughout history as well.

 

[RavenSky]

North American Indians had thriving metropolises pre-Columbus?

Yes, in fact they did.

You need to learn some history.

 

[repoman]

We need this for a statue:

 

[Tom Sawyer]

North American Indians had thriving metropolises pre-Columbus?

Yes, in fact they did.

You need to learn some history.

Exactly. Just read the Book of Mormon and it will tell you all about the advanced societies in North America prior to Columbus coming over.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Columbus was scum. He introduced slavery and oppression into the Americas. He was a cruel, greedy and callous bastard.

The Aztecs had slaves.

And we don't erect statues to the Aztecs, do we? Otherwise, we would be pulling them down also.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

North American Indians had thriving metropolises pre-Columbus?

Yes, in fact they did.

You need to learn some history.

I want to say there was a major one in Missouri at one point. And then, when you remember that Mexico is part of North America, there were the Mayans and Aztecs. And in South America, the Incans. Those three represent major empires. So yeah... duh...

We need this for a statue:

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Yes, the man that was going to kill his wife and daughter in a double murder - suicide because he lost his job and couldn't adapt to change. No surprise you'd idolize him.

If we start tearing down Robert Byrd stuff it will be the end of half the bridges and highways in West Virginia.

Or, it will the utterly meaningless end to a pile of plaques and signs, leaving the highways and bridges fully in tact.

Does this mean we get rid of the stuff named after Strom Thurmond?

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

I just disovered Sawyerville. The native population used to call it Toronto, but I found it yesterday and decided that I was the first one there.

North American Indians had thriving metropolises pre-Columbus? Or what is the point of your analogy?

Yes, they did. about 1000 CE, a strain of corn was developed that allowed corn to be grown North of the Rio Grande. As a result, along the Mississippi river, large settlements based on farming developed. They were destroyed when the first Spanish explorers brought smallpox and influenza to the area.

 

[skepticalbip]

The Aztecs had slaves.

And we don't erect statues to the Aztecs, do we? Otherwise, we would be pulling them down also.

AHA. So it is statues that is the focus of the inanity. And here I thought they opposed the people who did "nasty" things. So all the slave holding native Americans, slave holding black Africans, slave holding Arabs, slave holding Muslims, slave holding Asians, etc. etc. are just fine?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And we don't erect statues to the Aztecs, do we? Otherwise, we would be pulling them down also.

AHA. So it is statues that is the focus of the inanity. And here I thought they opposed the people who did "nasty" things. So all the slave holding native Americans, slave holding black Africans, slave holding Arabs, slave holding Muslims, slave holding Asians, etc. etc. are just fine?

So you are upset about what?

 

[laughing dog]

And we don't erect statues to the Aztecs, do we? Otherwise, we would be pulling them down also.

AHA. So it is statues that is the focus of the inanity. And here I thought they opposed the people who did "nasty" things. So all the slave holding native Americans, slave holding black Africans, slave holding Arabs, slave holding Muslims, slave holding Asians, etc. etc. are just fine?

The absence of an exhaustive list of slave owning populations in a response specific to Aztecs prompted that response? Wow.

 

[skepticalbip]

AHA. So it is statues that is the focus of the inanity. And here I thought they opposed the people who did "nasty" things. So all the slave holding native Americans, slave holding black Africans, slave holding Arabs, slave holding Muslims, slave holding Asians, etc. etc. are just fine?

So you are upset about what?

Upset? Where did you get that. I am elated that I finally understand what the fuss was about.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So you are upset about what?

Upset? Where did you get that. I am elated that I finally understand what the fuss was about.

Jebus, are you seriously going to be that pedantic?

 

[PyramidHead]

Of course he is, he's the latest incarnation of the Tu Quoque Ranger, also known as the Whatabout Bandit, also known as the Jester of Justasbad, who graces the occasional thread not to contribute to the discussion at hand, but to remind people that the other side must be at least Just As Bad as whatever conservative person or group is currently the subject of criticism. All it took was one person to say that white nationalists are worse than people who vandalize statues to bring everything from ANTIFA, Robert Byrd, black slaveholders, and Barbara Streisand gushing forth like so much fracking fluid.

 

[laughing dog]

Upset? Where did you get that. I am elated that I finally understand what the fuss was about.

Jebus, are you seriously going to be that pedantic?

Unless "pedantic" means "without a fucking clue", I must disagree.