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Canada to pay a Jihadi murderer $10M

I guess if not having a uniform is unlawful, then it means all of those militiamen who fought in the American Revolution were unlawful combatants who could have been shot for it by the British then? Perhaps back then even shot without trial. Or did they wear uniforms? Regardless, if they had lost high treason would be the charge to try them under.
Yes, the American militiamen wore uniforms, of a sort, when they could get them. The custom that enemy troops fighting out of uniform can be captured and summarily shot has a very long history; and in any event, entirely apart from the law of war, it's just common sense to supply your men with uniforms. In the chaos of battle the greatest risk to anyone is usually friendly fire. But pretty much anything can qualify as a uniform. Washington went to a lot of effort to get hunting shirts for militiamen. They looked nothing like conventional military uniforms, but they were recognizable.

There's case law on this subject from Nuremberg.

After World War II, during the Hostages Trial (United States v. Wilhelm List, et al., 11 Tr. of War Crim. Bef. Nuremberg Mil. Trib. 1248 (1948)), the seventh of the Nuremberg Trials, the tribunal found that, on the question of partisans, according to the then-current laws of war (the Hague Convention No. IV from 1907), the partisan fighters in southeast Europe could not be considered lawful belligerents under Article 1 of said convention.[8] In relation to Wilhelm List, the tribunal stated:

We are obliged to hold that such guerrillas were francs tireurs who, upon capture, could be subjected to the death penalty. Consequently, no criminal responsibility attaches to the defendant List because of the execution of captured partisans...​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francs-tireurs

There has long been tension on this point, between on the one hand great powers that want to protect their occupying troops from partisans, and on the other hand smaller countries that want their civilians to help defend them when their armies are too weak. Working out a compromise has been the subject of a number of treaties. The modern law of war has become more nuanced on the subject of fighting out of uniform. According to current international law, the people who can't be punished for fighting out of uniform are:


4.1.2 Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organised resistance movements, provided that they fulfill all of the following conditions:
that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognisable at a distance (there are limited exceptions to this among countries who observe the 1977 Protocol I);
that of carrying arms openly;
that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

4.1.6 Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Geneva_Convention

It's worth remembering that protecting an invader's occupying troops from partisan defenders is a valid purpose of international law, because it also protects the noncombatant occupied population from occupying troops getting fed up with being picked off by combatants passing themselves off as noncombatants, and foreseeably coming to regard everyone as a combatant. When a partisan pretends to be a noncombatant he's using his fellow civilians as human shields.
 
Bullshit!!!

The US sends Special Forces dressed as civilians all over the place. They many times do not wear a uniform.

Are they all unlawful combatants?

The term is used to describe spies in your territory carrying out acts of war.

If sending people out there with no uniform makes somebody an unlawful combatant then US unlawful combatants are used all the time.

What nonsense.

If they were fighting out of uniform they would be illegal combatants. You aren't required to wear a uniform simply because you're in the area but not fighting.

This is total nonsense pulled from your ass.

We send Special Forces into combat zones dressed as civilians all the time.

It does not make one an illegal combatant.

You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

At the time this person was kidnapped and brought to Cuba the term "illegal combatant" meant anybody defending themselves against US aggression.

The nation was and is still in a sick anti-Muslim hysteria.

Probably as some kind of psychological defense mechanism to not have to consider all the harm we have caused to Muslims with our massive illegitimate illegal violence since the terrorist attack of Iraq.
 

And he is rightly getting grilled for it on Twitter.

As more information comes out, the worse it looks for Trudeau Jr. Far from settling to avoid costly litigation, it is now obvious that he rushed the payment (there are reports that the terrorist has already been paid) in order to avoid the widow and the surviving victim to get an injunction before the payment is made.Trudeau wanted Khadr to become rich on Canadian taxpayer costs.
Government has already paid Omar Khadr $10.5M: source

Edmonton Journal said:
Speaking strictly on condition of anonymity, a source familiar with the situation said the Liberal government wanted to get ahead of an attempt by two Americans to enforce a massive U.S. court award against Khadr in Canadian court.
“The money has been paid,” the source said.
Word of the quiet money transfer came on the eve of a hearing in which a lawyer planned to ask Ontario Superior Court to block the payout to Khadr, who lives in Edmonton on bail.
The Toronto lawyer, David Winer, is acting for the widow of an American special forces soldier, Chris Speer, who Khadr is alleged to have killed after a fierce firefight and bombardment by U.S. troops at a compound in Afghanistan in July 2002, and another U.S. soldier, Layne Morris, who was blinded in one eye in the same battle.

If the Liberal Party had any integrity, they would vote to remove Trudeau as leader and PM over this!
 
Child soldier: check
Uncheck. The cutoff age for "child soldiers" is usually 15, and he was 15. Furthermore he wasn't a soldier but an Al Qaeda terrorist. I guess he was a "teenage terrorist" rather than "child solider".

Took a plea deal: check
It was a mistake to allow him to serve his time in a prison in Canada . He should have served the remained of his 18 year sentence either at Gitmo or Florence ADX next to the shoe bomber.
Served prison time: check
He was released early by the Canadians, and is now being made incredibly rich by them.
Probably tortured: check
Sleep deprivation is not torture.
Sounds like a complicated case. Better post pictures of scary Mooslims....
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And he is ...getting grilled for it on Twitter.
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If the Liberal Party had any integrity, they would vote to remove Trudeau as leader and PM over this!

:rolleyes:

Typical right-wing snowflake - throw out everyone's civil rights because you don't want them applied to everyone.

Go join an ice bucket challenge, Derec. Your hair is on fire again.
 
Typical right-wing snowflake -
As usual you are using the word wrong. You are like the Trump administration which throws out "fake news" for every news story they disagree with.

throw out everyone's civil rights because you don't want them applied to everyone.
There is no civil right to engage in terrorism against the country you claim citizenship of. That is high treason and instead of making him rich Trudeau should prosecute him, in addition to the US conviction, for high treason against Canada.
What he did fits the crime of high treason to a t.
Under s46 of the Criminal Code, a person commits "high treason" who a) kills, attempts to kill, wounds, imprisons, or restrains the sovereign, b) wages war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto, or c) assists an enemy at war with Canada or any armed force against whom Canadian forces are engaged in hostilities, even if no state of war exists. The punishment for high treason is life imprisonment, without parole eligibility for 25 years.

There is also no civil right to remain party leader and PM after doing something boneheaded. The Liberal MPs are perfectly within their rights to replace him.

Go join an ice bucket challenge, Derec. Your hair is on fire again.
What the hell are you babbling about?
And why is the Left so happy about a terrorist winning anway, other than that the Left hates the West?
 
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So he was attacked and defended himself.
That is no crime. Never was.
That's as stupid as saying that a criminal shooting at police was just "defending himself" and should thus not be prosecuted.
Although, I would not be surprised if you made such an argument too.

The US makes all kinds of bombs. And drops many of them on civilians.
What does that claim have to do with the Khadr case? That was an Al Qaeda compound, not a civilian building.
 
As usual you are using the word wrong.
I am using it correctly, snowflake. If you don't like hearing it applied to you, you should (at minimum) stop doing everything in your power to hurl insults at others every time you open your mouth. Why do you hate civil rights, Derec?

throw out everyone's civil rights because you don't want them applied to everyone.
There is no civil right to engage in terrorism against the country you claim citizenship of.
I know that you are not this stupid, so I can only assume you are finding it exceedingly difficult to concede civil rights to brown-skinned people who may be guilty of crimes. It's OK. I do understand a little bit because it turns my stomach to know that misogynists and racists still have freedom of speech.
 
I am using it correctly, snowflake.
No, you are not. Snowflakes try to restrict debate, not engage in it.

If you don't like hearing it applied to you, you should (at minimum) stop doing everything in your power to hurl insults at others every time you open your mouth.
I hate it being applied to me because it is inaccurate.

Why do you hate civil rights, Derec?
I do not hate civil rights. But where in the Canadian charter of rights does it say that terrorists must be paid millions if they are held by a third country?
That Trudeau offered Khadr so much money was a choice. It was not mandated by any court. The Supreme Court decision made no mention of any monetary compensation.
In addition, Trudeau kept the settlement secretive until it was made, and it was rushed to avoid the widow of one victim and the surviving victim to gain injunction against paying Khadr. That shows that Trudeau acted out of desire to enrich Khadr, and not to avoid litigation. Because if the latter was the case, there would be no need for secrecy or haste.

Now, I have detailed my reasons for my position here. All you have done is insult me. That is par for the course for the alt-left.

I know that you are not this stupid, so I can only assume you are finding it exceedingly difficult to concede civil rights to brown-skinned people
It has nothing to do with him being brown-skinned. It has to do with him being a terrorist who is only de-jure Canadian. He spent most of his life until age 15 in Pakistan and Afghanistan, including living in Osama bin Laden's compound. The only time the family went to Canada was to make use of Canadian free healthcare.
Canada made a mistake letting the parents into Canada in the 70s and now Canada is compounding the mistake by taking the side of this terrorist family.
who may be guilty of crimes. It's OK.
He is guilty of these crimes. No "may" about it. And these crimes should have resulted in revocation of his citizenship.
I do understand a little bit because it turns my stomach to know that misogynists and racists still have freedom of speech.
People you disagree with on feminism and race issues are, to you, more objectionable than people who engage in terrorism for Islam. :rolleyes:
 
No, you are not. Snowflakes try to restrict debate, not engage in it.
Posting walls of "scary" memes is not engaging in debate. It is, in fact, an attempt to shut down debate. Sorry snowflake! By your our definition, you are a snowflake! :lol:
 
That's as stupid as saying that a criminal shooting at police was just "defending himself" and should thus not be prosecuted.
Although, I would not be surprised if you made such an argument too.

The US is not the policeman of the world.

The US was terrorizing some nation and people defended themselves from US terrorism.

Which to some is a crime.
 
The US is not the policeman of the world.
Not quite, but then no analogy is perfect.

The US was terrorizing some nation and people defended themselves from US terrorism.
US was not "terrorizing some nation". US attacked Afghanistan because the de facto government of Afghanistan was giving safe harbor to Al Qaeda terrorists. These terrorists had attacked US (by flying planes into buildings, remember?) just a matter of months earlier. And Omar Khadr was part of an Al Qaeda terrorist cell.
 
Posting walls of "scary" memes is not engaging in debate.
I sometimes pepper the discussion with memes (and I only posted one meme and one cartoon in this thread, while I made a total of 25 posts), but vast majority of my contributions are reasoned arguments. Unlike with you, where all you have done so far is name calling and misusing words. You have yet to tell us why you think paying Omar Khadr $10.5M is mandated by "civil rights" considerations.
It is, in fact, an attempt to shut down debate.
No it is not. Posting nothing but insults and name calling is attempting to shut down debate, as is moving perfectly relevant threads to ~Elsewhere for dubious reasons (like the Darius Smith thread).
Sorry snowflake! By your our definition, you are a snowflake! :lol:
Endlessly repeating a misused insult is not making it better. Instead of doing this, why don't you explain to us why you disagree with my opinions on this matter and why you think making a terrorist rich is a good thing.

By the way, this is not the first time the Canadian government has went to bat on behalf of a Khadr terrorist. From here:
NY Post said:
In 1995, Ahmed was arrested in Pakistan on charges that he financed the bombing of the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad that killed the suicide bomber and 16 others. At the time of the attack, his eldest daughter, Zaynab, was engaged to Egyptian Khalid Abdullah, who was accused of buying one of the trucks used in the attack.
Ahmed proclaimed his innocence, and went on a hunger strike that put him in a hospital.
News photographs show Omar, then a curly-haired 9-year-old, at his father’s hospital bedside as the family tearfully appealed to the Canadian government for his release.
In a remarkable precursor of what was to happen to Omar more than two decades later, the Canadian government rallied *behind Ahmed as one of its own — never mind that he was a suspected terrorist.
Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, then on a trade mission to Pakistan, intervened with Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto on Ahmed’s behalf. Ahmed was released a few months later. When he and his family got off the plane in Toronto, Ahmed kissed the ground.
Ahmed Khadr returned to Pakistan to continue his terrorist activities with bin Laden, got onto the most wanted list after 9/11 attacks, and was finally killed in 2003 by Pakistani army (good riddance!).
Chrétien really lives up to what his name sounds like, but I think Trudeau the Lesser is also a worthy contender.
 
Not quite, but then no analogy is perfect.

The US was terrorizing some nation and people defended themselves from US terrorism.
US was not "terrorizing some nation". US attacked Afghanistan because the de facto government of Afghanistan was giving safe harbor to Al Qaeda terrorists. These terrorists had attacked US (by flying planes into buildings, remember?) just a matter of months earlier. And Omar Khadr was part of an Al Qaeda terrorist cell.

The US attacked other people. You have that right.

It attacks other people all the time.

And every human that is attacked has the right to defend themselves from that attack.

None are illegal combatants.
 
Using the Weekly Standard (a conservative website) reporting what a military judge ruled about alleged military behavior is convincing. Moreover, the Canadian Supreme Court's ruling that Kadr's rights were violated does not stand on the allegations of torture.

Read the article. The only "evidence" for "torture" (even under very expansive definition of the word) are the allegations themselves, and one claim (about weighing) is directly contradicted by video evidence.

Canadian courts are as fallible as our own, but not even the Canadian Supreme Court said anything about paying Khadr millions. Also, nobody is disputing that he was aggressively interrogated. But terrorists' civil rights are not violated by interrogating them aggressively.
I think Canadian Supreme Court messed up in its decision, but Trudeau messed up more.
 
Using the Weekly Standard (a conservative website) reporting what a military judge ruled about alleged military behavior is convincing. Moreover, the Canadian Supreme Court's ruling that Kadr's rights were violated does not stand on the allegations of torture.

Read the article. The only "evidence" for "torture" (even under very expansive definition of the word) are the allegations themselves, and one claim (about weighing) is directly contradicted by video evidence.
I read the article. Sorry, but a ruling by a military judge that there is no credible evidence of wrong doing by the military that is based on a military investigation into what the military allegedly did is not convincing.
Canadian courts are as fallible as our own, but not even the Canadian Supreme Court said anything about paying Khadr millions. Also, nobody is disputing that he was aggressively interrogated. But terrorists' civil rights are not violated by interrogating them aggressively.
I think Canadian Supreme Court messed up in its decision, but Trudeau messed up more.
Repetition of your opinions does not make them any more convincing or tethered to reality. For some unexplained reason, you believe you know more about Canadian law than the Canadian Supreme court and that you know more about Canadian law, juries and attitudes the Canadian government even though you have presented no factual evidence to support your claim.
 
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