Who killed more people, Putin or Obama?

[whichphilosophy]

Ok, let's try this.

Since you're probably referring to Obamas drone strikes, then shouldn't non-combatants killed in Syria by Putin or his allies count?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...omb-seven-countries-in-six-years-9753131.html

'Peace' President? How Obama came to bomb seven countries in six years
US has engaged in conflict in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and now Syria
Wednesday 24 September 2014

Drones and airstrikes. So Obama certainly kept himself and the armed forces busy.

 

[Will Wiley]

Obama was attempting to take out terrorist leaders who had declared war on the US and the West and acted on that.
Critics claim 803 civilians have died in these attempts.

Putin? Wikipedia, Second Chechnya war:

Estimates of casualties in the Second Chechen War vary wildly, from 25,000 to 200,000 civilian dead plus 8,000 to 40,000 Russian military. (Separate figures for Chechen military fatalities from the second war only are not yet referenced in this article.)
Note: Some of these figures include the First Chechen War of 1994-1996. They usually don't include the death toll in Dagestan, Ingushetia, and other neighbouring regions of North Caucasus, where the violence spilled-off from Chechnya.

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And of course, war in the Ukraine. And the war in Georgia. Plus support for Syria's dictator and his murderous ways.
So when you look at the numbers, Putin and by a huge margin.


It seems as if a lot of people think Obama should not have pursued al Qaeda leaders. Well, no. Letting them have free reign would be stupid. But Putin, first thing he did as new leader of Russia was attack Chechnya.

Obama dropped almost 27,000 bombs last year alone. And he was in for 8 years. So why would you only mention his drone strikes and ignore all the other kills? ???
But when you mention Putin you want to talk about Chechnya?

 

[DrZoidberg]

I find it curious that when I post something about Putin, Americans here call Putin a killer. Bill O'Rielly said the same.

So how many people has Putin killed and how many did Obama kill?

Putin is a megalomanic dictator only in it to enrich himself. Obama was trying to win a popularity contest among his people. Big difference. You can't compare them.

If Obama kills more people it's because it's the will of the American people. If Putin does the same it's because he wants to.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

I see. So bombing ISIL mass murderers to stop them from expanding their insane caliphate is bad? But Putin's support of Ukrainian separatists is good?

 

[whichphilosophy]

I find it curious that when I post something about Putin, Americans here call Putin a killer. Bill O'Rielly said the same.

So how many people has Putin killed and how many did Obama kill?

Putin is a megalomanic dictator only in it to enrich himself. Obama was trying to win a popularity contest among his people. Big difference. You can't compare them.

If Obama kills more people it's because it's the will of the American people. If Putin does the same it's because he wants to.

Obama knows too well that the way to be popular is to bomb a few people. Trump learnt this.

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I see. So bombing ISIL mass murderers to stop them from expanding their insane caliphate is bad? But Putin's support of Ukrainian separatists is good?

There's nothing wrong with bombing ISIS.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I see. So bombing ISIL mass murderers to stop them from expanding their insane caliphate is bad? But Putin's support of Ukrainian separatists is good?

There's nothing wrong with bombing ISIS.

Odd, because you didn't pull out the number of bombs dropped on ISIL/ISIS/New Direction in your broad 27,000 number.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I've always found it very odd that our modern far right would feel so warm and fuzzy about Putin. It's taking the old, "The enemy of my enemy, is my friend," thing to the absurd.

Such as the military's current support of the draft dodger in chief? IT always amazes me that anyone in uniform supports Trump.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I've always found it very odd that our modern far right would feel so warm and fuzzy about Putin. It's taking the old, "The enemy of my enemy, is my friend," thing to the absurd.

Such as the military's current support of the draft dodger in chief? IT always amazes me that anyone in uniform supports Trump.

Well, you need to remember that Obama made those draconian cuts in military spending.

Sure, those cuts never happened, but those cuts were sharp and put the military at danger. As you could tell because of all the jets not dropping out of the sky because the air force and navy couldn't not afford fuel.

 

[HaRaAYaH]

The original OP is way off. Not just in the accuracy in numbers but in the general premise.

First in sheer numbers, Putin has killed many more people than President Obama.

Despite the fact the U.S. under President Obama launched all these drone strikes, most of these are not completely indiscriminate weapons. While I don't deny innocents were killed, this is what war is. UBL declared war on the US on CNN in 1998. He attacked the US multiple times culminating with 911 attacks. Once you declare war, you get what you get. All war is by definition a crime. But using drones causes less civilian casualties than most conventional military means.

The idea that you would compare what President Obama has done with what Putin has done is just laughable on it's face.

As for Obama being the pacifist anti-war candidate who changed as president is just a fanciful caricature of the press. He said before he was elected he would go into Pakistan to get Bin Laden. His Nobel Prize speech was justification for war as means of self defense. He inherited a war against Al-Queda and he successfully prosecuted that war. Bin Laden's group while it exists is shell of what it was and is no longer an existential threat to the US. He took an oath to deend the country and did just that.

 

[funinspace]

Such as the military's current support of the draft dodger in chief? IT always amazes me that anyone in uniform supports Trump.

Well, you need to remember that Obama made those draconian cuts in military spending.

Sure, those cuts never happened, but those cuts were sharp and put the military at danger. As you could tell because of all the jets not dropping out of the sky because the air force and navy couldn't not afford fuel.

Yeah, but now they have a fuel problem cuz Air Force 1 is sucking up all the fuel... That is why they need another $54 billion

 

[Nice Squirrel]

The attached chart is all you need.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The attached chart is all you need.
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Is this from RT?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Is this from RT?

Probably. The fake news like the New York Times and other failing rags (which are losing a lot of money) won't talk about the 35 billion people Crooked Hillary killed because they're too busy making up scandals about good men who are trying to save the country. SAD!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'll give it a try.

Obama has the drone strikes, but even with that, he can't come close to Putin's work in Chechnya. Way more than Obama ever dreamed of.

If we're only counting the hands on work, Obama will never come close to Putin's "double tap in the back of the head" count.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
It says 25K killed and 5k disappeared, presumably dead.
I would not be so sure about Obama's numbers being less than that.

And you think that's his only war??

Georgia?

Ukraine?

Syria?

 

[J842P]

The original OP is way off. Not just in the accuracy in numbers but in the general premise.

First in sheer numbers, Putin has killed many more people than President Obama.

Despite the fact the U.S. under President Obama launched all these drone strikes, most of these are not completely indiscriminate weapons. While I don't deny innocents were killed, this is what war is. UBL declared war on the US on CNN in 1998. He attacked the US multiple times culminating with 911 attacks. Once you declare war, you get what you get. All war is by definition a crime. But using drones causes less civilian casualties than most conventional military means.

The idea that you would compare what President Obama has done with what Putin has done is just laughable on it's face.

As for Obama being the pacifist anti-war candidate who changed as president is just a fanciful caricature of the press. He said before he was elected he would go into Pakistan to get Bin Laden. His Nobel Prize speech was justification for war as means of self defense. He inherited a war against Al-Queda and he successfully prosecuted that war. Bin Laden's group while it exists is shell of what it was and is no longer an existential threat to the US. He took an oath to deend the country and did just that.

This is a load of war apologia. What does the 1998 bombing have to do with say, Yemen? The Houthis are no friends of Al Qaeda. In fact, in most cases in the past 5-6 years e.g. Syria and Yemen, we are on the side of Al-Qaeda. In any event, Al-Qaeda was never an existential threat. The "war" was over as soon as we invaded the Middle East. That was exactly what Bin Laden was trying to provoke, and he succeeded, and the effects he hoped it would have are happening (e.g. the bleeding dry of our coffers). Obama inherited a "war" he could not win, because we already lost by engaging it.

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Putin's political enemies have a way of getting murdered.

What Obama did with all his killing makes no sense.

It didn't serve him or the American people. It serves those making money from oil. It serves the military that wants to stay large.

So Putin is the calculated killer.

Obama, just a tool in a system he did not control.

More or less agree with this assessment.

 

[Will Wiley]

Putin's political enemies have a way of getting murdered.

What Obama did with all his killing makes no sense.

It didn't serve him or the American people. It serves those making money from oil. It serves the military that wants to stay large.

So Putin is the calculated killer.

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Do you have any evidence...or are we just supposed to believe you because you parrot something you read on the internet?

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I'm not saying it didn't happen, but to accuse someone you need evidence

the argument seems to be that any time anyone who could remotely be an opponent of Putin is killed that Putin did it, no evidence required. That is not a good methodology

 

[Bronzeage]

Putin's political enemies have a way of getting murdered.

What Obama did with all his killing makes no sense.

It didn't serve him or the American people. It serves those making money from oil. It serves the military that wants to stay large.

So Putin is the calculated killer.

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Do you have any evidence...or are we just supposed to believe you because you parrot something you read on the internet?

Evidence is always the enemy of the obvious.

What's more useful, having the power to kill your enemies, or having the reputation of killing your enemies?

 

[Will Wiley]

Do you have any evidence...or are we just supposed to believe you because you parrot something you read on the internet?

Evidence is always the enemy of the obvious.

What's more useful, having the power to kill your enemies, or having the reputation of killing your enemies?

Good point. I'm sure anyone who thinks of leaking from the DNC will probably have second thoughts now after what happened to Seth Rich as well

 

[barbos]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
It says 25K killed and 5k disappeared, presumably dead.
I would not be so sure about Obama's numbers being less than that.

And you think that's his only war??

Chechnya was mentioned in the post I was replying to.

Georgia?

169 georgians were killed and Medvedev was a president and It was started by US puppet Saakashvili.

Ukraine?

Well, Crimea was "annexed" without single shot fired.

Syria?

Well, it's shared effort. US mostly and then Russia.