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So another "chemical" attack in Syria?

Nothing good about trying to overthrow the Iranian regime.

The war in Iraq was a complete waste and complete disaster. Every US serviceman killed or injured was killed or injured for NOTHING. Every penny spent was spent for NOTHING. And we ended up with ISIS.

And ended up broke.

This is how sick violent despotic scum end up in ruin.

One war after another until the country is destroyed financially.
 
Trump committed a war crime. There has been no investigation into where the chemicals came from. The only ones who benefit are the terrorists, including the rebels.

Putin, not Trump.

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Why the United States’ Use of Force Against Syria Violates International Law

The United States’ use of force against the sovereign state of Syria is a prima facie violation of international law. It is an act of aggression against an UN Member State in violation of the Charter of the United Nations. It therefore gives Syria the right to react in self-defense or a legal justification for the use of force. It also gives any other UN Member State the right to act in collective self-defense and to support Syrian action against the US. This is the basic understanding of the international legal consequences of the United States’ use of force against Syria.
 
International law is more of an international guideline. Nobody enforces most of it so it's rather ineffectual.
 
Trump committed a war crime. There has been no investigation into where the chemicals came from. The only ones who benefit are the terrorists, including the rebels.

Putin, not Trump.

We warned the Russians because they were operating from the airbase where the attack came from. Pretty hard to not note the chemical weapon safety precautions.
First, Russians were not operating FROM that base, and second, you keep assuming Assad was responsible.
 
Before We Go to War With Syria, Inconvenient Truths Must be Confronted
by TAREQ HADDAD



However, for some of us who follow Western foreign policy more closely, there usually entails another step in the chain of events that is not so well known: the incident that causes so much outrage turns out to be not as we were told or, in some instances, completely fabricated.

The weapons of mass destruction lie from the 2003 Iraq War is still fresh in our minds, but an example from the First Gulf War of 1990 may be more appropriate.

When public opinion was split about America’s involvement in the war, a 15-year-old girl who gave her name simply as Nayirah tugged the heartstrings of every right-thinking person and sold the case for war.

Appearing in front of US Congress, she testified that Iraqi soldiers took babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital and left the on the floor to die.


Her testimony was corroborated by Amnesty International and was broadcast all over the world, but in 1992, it emerged that Nayirah was the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the US and that her story was completely false.
 
What you SEE is not completely different from what HAPPENS, and that is that carbon dioxide, like most heavy gases, sinks to the bottom of any column of air. Convection and turbulence can mix things up a little bit, but not enough to completely offset the net effect. The same thing happens with helium released into the atmosphere: it tends to rise very quickly, because the heavier gases (e.g. oxygen and nitrogen) sink beneath it.
Nope, and I have PhD in physics.
Cool story, bro... but this is chemistry.

You might want to get a refund on that PhD.

White stuff is water fog, if it had any significant amount of CO2 you would not like breathing it at all, probably would have died from spasms or something.
That's not a typical effect of CO2 poisoning, even at high concentrations, which dry ice will not produce. More significantly: the foggy condensation you see will form where the very cool gas comes in contact with the moisture in the air around it, which means most of that CO2 will remain much colder than the air it comes into contact with until thermal equilibrium is reached. This takes a few minutes, especially in a relatively still volume of air, and the condensation effect is informative in allowing you to see (approximately) where the colder gas is distributed.

A similar thing happens with sulfur hexaflouride in a container: as a heavier gas, it will sink to the bottom of just about any volume of air its exposed to, and at most temperatures it's even lighter than CO2. If you fill a fish tank with sulfur hexaflouride, the foggy condensation from dry ice sublimation will float on top of the gas layer like a cloudy sky; this, too, gives you some idea of where the carbon dioxide is and where it isn't.

Heavy gases will not stay at the bottom, depending on how open the place is, they will mix rather quickly and occupy couple of kilometers of height.
Eventually, sure. How long that takes depends on weather conditions, mainly ambient temperature, sunlight and wind conditions. But if you introduce a large volume of gas -- or ANY fluid, really -- to a volume of another gas with a lower molecular mass, the first thing the heavier fluid will do is sink, and the first place it will begin to dissipate is laterally along the bottom-most surface of the container. You see a good example of this when you pour water into a vessel of oil (the water immediately sinks to the bottom and spreads out from there) or, as above, when you introduce carbon dioxide to a volume of air or sulfur hexaflouride to a volume of carbon dioxide. In the latter case, the "water vapor" you keep insisting has nothing to do with the presence of carbon dioxide will actually "jump" on top of the growing pool of heavier gas. It's a pretty trippy effect actually.

Basically height is inversely proportional to molecular weight. So if your gas is 5 times heavier than air (Sarin) then it will get to 2 km roughly...
... eventually. Again, that takes a lot of time to occur and how long that takes depends on a lot of things.
 
The "who benefits" analysis seems to be a staple of conspiracy theories everywhere. It hinges on the fact that if one side gets blamed for the attack, then the other side "benefits", but ignores the actual benefit that comes from killing your enemies and deteriorating the morale. Besides, if we blamed the rebels for faking the strike, then Assad would be the one to benefit... so it is evidence that Assad must have done it?

In short, "who benefits" is next to worthless in figuring out who did it.
History tells us that rebels are routinely lie and West believes them.
As I have said it before it's still possible that this latest thing is a complete fabrication. There were no independent investigation, just reports from rebels themselves.
 
Nope, and I have PhD in physics.
Cool story, bro... but this is chemistry.
Nope, that's not chemistry, that's physics.
You might want to get a refund on that PhD.
I did not pay for it, I was paid.
White stuff is water fog, if it had any significant amount of CO2 you would not like breathing it at all, probably would have died from spasms or something.
That's not a typical effect of CO2 poisoning, even at high concentrations, which dry ice will not produce. More significantly: the foggy condensation you see will form where the very cool gas air comes in contact with the moisture in the air around it, which means most of that CO2 will remain much colder than the air it comes into contact with until thermal equilibrium is reached. This takes a few minutes, especially in a relatively still volume of air, and the condensation effect is informative in allowing you to see (approximately) where the colder gas is distributed.
I am glad to see that you finally realized that fog is not CO2 and started repeating what I just told you. But you are still wrong. In CO2&pool experiment there is not much CO2 gas in the system. Dry Ice simply cools air down, that's all it does.

A similar thing happens with sulfur hexaflouride in a container: as a heavier gas, it will sink to the bottom of just about any volume of air its exposed to, and at most temperatures it's even lighter than CO2. If you fill a fish tank with sulfur hexaflouride, the foggy condensation from dry ice sublimation will float on top of the gas layer like a cloudy sky; this, too, gives you some idea of where the carbon dioxide is and where it isn't.
I heard your first analogy. Yes heavy gas will stay for some time low but not for long and with respect to Sarin it's irrelevant because amount of the gas is so tiny that it simply does not have ability to cover any area.
Heavy gases will not stay at the bottom, depending on how open the place is, they will mix rather quickly and occupy couple of kilometers of height.
Eventually, sure. How long that takes depends on weather conditions, mainly ambient temperature, sunlight and wind conditions. But if you introduce a large volume of gas
Sarin is not introduced in large volumes.
-- or ANY fluid, really -- to a volume of another gas with a lower molecular mass, the first thing the heavier fluid will do is sink, and the first place it will begin to dissipate is laterally along the bottom-most surface of the container. You see a good example of this when you pour water into a vessel of oil
That's a lame example, because liquids are not gases and oil and water simply don't mix and will stay separated indefinitely.
(the water immediately sinks to the bottom and spreads out from there) or, as above, when you introduce carbon dioxide to a volume of air or sulfur hexaflouride to a volume of carbon dioxide. In the latter case, the "water vapor" you keep insisting has nothing to do with the presence of carbon dioxide will actually "jump" on top of the growing pool of heavier gas. It's a pretty trippy effect actually.

Basically height is inversely proportional to molecular weight. So if your gas is 5 times heavier than air (Sarin) then it will get to 2 km roughly...
... eventually. Again, that takes a lot of time to occur and how long that takes depends on a lot of things.
In case of Sarin immediately, because amount of gas is tiny. Your only hope is to have it in aerosol form, that way it will stay low much longer.
 
Former DIA Colonel: “US strikes on Syria based on a lie”

Donald Trump’s decision to launch cruise missile strikes on a Syrian Air Force Base was based on a lie. In the coming days the American people will learn that the Intelligence Community knew that Syria did not drop a military chemical weapon on innocent civilians in Idlib. Here is what happened.

1.The Russians briefed the United States on the proposed target. This is a process that started more than two months ago. There is a dedicated phone line that is being used to coordinate and deconflict (i.e., prevent US and Russian air assets from shooting at each other) the upcoming operation.
2.The United States was fully briefed on the fact that there was a target in Idlib that the Russians believes was a weapons/explosives depot for Islamic rebels.
3.The Syrian Air Force hit the target with conventional weapons. All involved expected to see a massive secondary explosion. That did not happen. Instead, smoke, chemical smoke, began billowing from the site. It turns out that the Islamic rebels used that site to store chemicals, not sarin, that were deadly. The chemicals included organic phosphates and chlorine and they followed the wind and killed civilians.
4.There was a strong wind blowing that day and the cloud was driven to a nearby village and caused casualties.
5.We know it was not sarin. How? Very simple. The so-called “first responders” handled the victims without gloves. If this had been sarin they would have died. Sarin on the skin will kill you. How do I know? I went through “Live Agent” training at Fort McClellan in Alabama
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About Patrick Lang

Walter Patrick “Pat” Lang, Jr. (born May 31, 1940) is a commentator on the Middle East, a retired US Army officer and private intelligence analyst, and an author. After leaving uniformed military service as a Colonel, he held high-level posts in military intelligence as a civilian. He led intelligence analysis of the Middle East and South Asia for the Defense Department and world-wide HUMINT activities in a high-level equivalent to the rank of a lieutenant general
 
Former DIA Colonel: “US strikes on Syria based on a lie”

Donald Trump’s decision to launch cruise missile strikes on a Syrian Air Force Base was based on a lie. In the coming days the American people will learn that the Intelligence Community knew that Syria did not drop a military chemical weapon on innocent civilians in Idlib. Here is what happened.

1.The Russians briefed the United States on the proposed target. This is a process that started more than two months ago. There is a dedicated phone line that is being used to coordinate and deconflict (i.e., prevent US and Russian air assets from shooting at each other) the upcoming operation.
2.The United States was fully briefed on the fact that there was a target in Idlib that the Russians believes was a weapons/explosives depot for Islamic rebels.
3.The Syrian Air Force hit the target with conventional weapons. All involved expected to see a massive secondary explosion. That did not happen. Instead, smoke, chemical smoke, began billowing from the site. It turns out that the Islamic rebels used that site to store chemicals, not sarin, that were deadly. The chemicals included organic phosphates and chlorine and they followed the wind and killed civilians.
4.There was a strong wind blowing that day and the cloud was driven to a nearby village and caused casualties.
5.We know it was not sarin. How? Very simple. The so-called “first responders” handled the victims without gloves. If this had been sarin they would have died. Sarin on the skin will kill you. How do I know? I went through “Live Agent” training at Fort McClellan in Alabama
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Yes, some of the unbiased experts pointed that out.
Also I am a bit surprised there are still not lab results or something confirming Sarin.


It should also alarm American taxpayers that we launched $100 million dollars of missiles to blow up sand and camel shit. The Russians were aware that a strike was coming. I’m hoping that they and the Syrians withdrew their forces and aircraft from the base.
Russian press said destroyed planes were being repaired. I suspect russians warned Assad and he flew everything that was able to fly out of there. American taxpayers paid $100mil to increase Trump's ratings couple of points.

If all this is true and Russian/Assad version is actually the truth then I hope Putin does not let it slide and use it to the full extent.
 
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Yes, some of the unbiased experts pointed that out.
Also I am a bit surprised there are still not lab results or something confirming Sarin.
I wonder if this could get Trump impeached? There must be a lot of people in the intelligence agencies that don't like him. If he gets exposed then it might be the end of him.
 
Putin, not Trump.

We warned the Russians because they were operating from the airbase where the attack came from. Pretty hard to not note the chemical weapon safety precautions.
First, Russians were not operating FROM that base, and second, you keep assuming Assad was responsible.

They may not have been doing air sorties from the base but there were Russians there--that's why His Flatulence warned Putin.
 
First, Russians were not operating FROM that base, and second, you keep assuming Assad was responsible.

They may not have been doing air sorties from the base but there were Russians there--that's why His Flatulence warned Putin.
Not Flatulence, but Pentagon and they had to do it because that is the agreement and yes, agreement is mainly because they don't want to bomb russians and vice versa.
 
Folks,

Putin/Assad joint command have issued a 'red line' warning against further military interference from the US in Syria.

Interesting.

A.
 
Folks,

Putin/Assad joint command have issued a 'red line' warning against further military interference from the US in Syria.

Interesting.

A.

I heard someone on the radio here tonight saying..."don't worry whatever Russia says is just rhetoric". I don't believe that is the case. Many Russians see themselves as the people who defeated Napoleon and Hitler, and they see the US as a threat to the entire world.
Most Americans don't understand this because they are too insulated.

It's dangerous for everyone. Trump is worse than even the usual abysmal US Presidents. It will be very unlikely for him to admit he made a mistake.

Putins remarks are getting more and more worrying. But the US voters have never done anything to stop the atrocities America causes..so...it's not surprising.

Putin said:
“95% of the world’s terrorist attacks are orchestrated by the CIA. The St. Petersburg metro bombing must be investigated with this in mind. If the CIA have Russian blood on their hands, they will forever regret stirring the Russian bear from its peaceful slumber.”

Vladimir Putin — President of the Russian Federation

Unfortunately is it the ordinary people who suffer when things get out of hand, not the politicians
 
Putin said:
“95% of the world’s terrorist attacks are orchestrated by the CIA. The St. Petersburg metro bombing must be investigated with this in mind. If the CIA have Russian blood on their hands, they will forever regret stirring the Russian bear from its peaceful slumber.”

Vladimir Putin — President of the Russian Federation

Unfortunately is it the ordinary people who suffer when things get out of hand, not the politicians
Does not sound like Putin, and google can't find source in russian except obscure Eastern Ukraine website in .... english.
Sounds like a fakenews. There is nothing on that in any russian news outlets.
 
Unfortunately is it the ordinary people who suffer when things get out of hand, not the politicians
Does not sound like Putin, and google can't find source in russian except obscure Eastern Ukraine website in .... english.
Sounds like a fakenews. There is nothing on that in any russian news outlets.
Could be fake. I found it here after looking at a link posted here
https://gosint.wordpress.com/2017/0...errorist-attacks-are-orchestrated-by-the-cia/
 
Does not sound like Putin, and google can't find source in russian except obscure Eastern Ukraine website in .... english.
Sounds like a fakenews. There is nothing on that in any russian news outlets.
Could be fake. I found it here after looking at a link posted here
https://gosint.wordpress.com/2017/0...errorist-attacks-are-orchestrated-by-the-cia/
http://novorossia.today/putin-95-of-world-terrorist-attacks-are-orchestrated-by-the-cia/
this appears to be the source, no version in russian, no authors, no sources. And english version itself does not look like it was translated from russian anyway - "Deep state" expression does not have appropriate russian version which could be translated from.

OK, I browsed the website and it is 100% fake. All articles are outlandish bullshit with no authors and sources at all, different language versions have completely different and unrelated content. Website does not have any articles older than 3 weeks. Could be some advertisement money making scam.
 
Folks,

Putin/Assad joint command have issued a 'red line' warning against further military interference from the US in Syria.

Interesting.

A.
Putin threatened to release Trump tapes he has if US cross the line?

barbos,

I was thinking of the 1500 currently deployed nuclear warheads, on hypersonic mirv ICBMs. No doubt the Russians will be refining their targets in continental USA as we speak. Added to that are the submarine 'doomsday' weapons, capable of rendering US coastal harbours and cities uninhabitable long term. The information on Russian strike supremacy is widely available, and up to date.

As a reasonable man, I would hope that it won't come to this, although American Evangelicals will likely have warmer ideas.:boom::wave2:

A.
 
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