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The dangers of exaggerating the evils of Islam

The currency in a relationship is love. I give sexual favours and she repays me with a deeper emotional connection and loyalty. And vice versa. I think whores have gotten an unfair reputation. There's nothing wrong about being a whore.
Didn't say there was. Just pointing out to Syed that he's being illogical and that middle-eastern culture is more "whoredom culture" than western culture is. Every woman in an arranged marriage with a man the parents chose because it was in their interests for her to marry him, as opposed to choosing him because he was someone they thought she'd fall in love with, is a woman who was whored out by her pimp parents.

On the topic of real whores, ie whores for money. Anybody who goes to work when they'd rather stay home is a whore.
Feel free to define "whore" however you please.
 
Gay hate is not unique to Islam. Gay bashing is endemic all over the west. It's better now. But it's still bad. And not long ago homosexuality was criminalized all over the west as well. The legalization and then inclusion of gays into society has been incredibly rapid into the west. Zeroing in on Islamic gay hate is forgetting that we in the west used to be just as bad.

No it isn't. It's saying that Islamic based ideas are bad. The fact that they're just one more in a collection of bad ideas doesn't mitigate how terrible they are. It's remembering how we used to be just as bad which helps put a focus on how bad the Islamic ideas are because we know exactly what the impact of those ideas are and how things are better for everyone when they're dumped in the trash bin of history.

I'm no Islamic apologetic. I think Islam is terrible. What I'm against is throwing stones in glass houses.

Yes, obviously the world would be a better place without any religion.
 
According to Syed's four points that are essential for education, it's impossible for me to be educated on all four counts.

That goes for my brother (The one with the degree in Natural Sciences from Kings College Cambridge), and my sister (The lawyer who is a trustee of the National Naritime Museum and Royal Greenwich Observatory, London), too.

If only our atheist parents hadn't divorced while we were still in middle school (after years of arguments), and we had remained celebrate until we finished up at university, we could have gotten an education. Oh well.
 
According to Syed's four points that are essential for education, it's impossible for me to be educated on all four counts.

That goes for my brother (The one with the degree in Natural Sciences from Kings College Cambridge), and my sister (The lawyer who is a trustee of the National Naritime Museum and Royal Greenwich Observatory, London), too.

If only our atheist parents hadn't divorced while we were still in middle school (after years of arguments), and we had remained celebrate until we finished up at university, we could have gotten an education. Oh well.
just because SOME rats could survived rat's poison doesn't mean ALL rats will survive
 
I think you partly have a point. The problem in the west is that we care about what people want to do with their lives. We make people feel safe and we give them tools to be empowered. It's no mystery that most people are lazy and don't want to do jobs that are hard. But all this isn't a result of western values. It's a result of money.

Are you against money or to empower people? Do you really think that we can make the world a better place by forcing people to do things that they rather wouldn't?

you can do what ever you like for fun

but to producing educated children DEMAND certain LIFESTYLE

1) one MUST believe in god

2) two STABLE parents not pervert parents or divorced parents or single parent

3) children NEED peaceful home to study

4) children MUST not involved in sexual activity until end of education


western's white families are failing ALL the above

you can not reverse this trend now


THE WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS ON THE DEATH ROW

islam could save the western civilization from self destruction

DrZoidberg

i dont know you read my post #78
 
you can do what ever you like for fun

but to producing educated children DEMAND certain LIFESTYLE

1) one MUST believe in god

2) two STABLE parents not pervert parents or divorced parents or single parent

3) children NEED peaceful home to study

4) children MUST not involved in sexual activity until end of education


western's white families are failing ALL the above

you can not reverse this trend now


THE WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS ON THE DEATH ROW

islam could save the western civilization from self destruction

DrZoidberg

i dont know you read my post #78

1. I'm not sure how believing in God is relevant to parenting. But moving on.

2. Do you think that parents should stay together if they're unhappy together? Do you think children will benefit from happy or unhappy parents? Do you think parents should stay together if the mother is beaten by her husband? How about if one parent becomes a drunk?

3. Sure. But a peaceful home might require the parents getting a divorce. Your list above doesn't seem to acknowledge that?

4. How are you planing on stopping them? If there's anything we've learned when studying teenagers is that they're going to have sex with one another. The teenagers who stay virgins do so because they failed at getting laid. And then they make up some bullshit song and dance about that this is what they wanted all along. Ehe... no. Teenagers are randy buggers. We can't lock them up, can we?

Isn't it better to accept that teenagers are going to fuck each other and come up with institutions to help mitigate the damage? If we try to prevent teenagers from having sex they're just going to get pregnant and AIDS. Is that better?
 
According to Syed's four points that are essential for education, it's impossible for me to be educated on all four counts.

That goes for my brother (The one with the degree in Natural Sciences from Kings College Cambridge), and my sister (The lawyer who is a trustee of the National Naritime Museum and Royal Greenwich Observatory, London), too.

If only our atheist parents hadn't divorced while we were still in middle school (after years of arguments), and we had remained celebrate until we finished up at university, we could have gotten an education. Oh well.
just because SOME rats could survived rat's poison doesn't mean ALL rats will survive

So you are right, except for all the ways in which you are wrong.

That's... unconvincing.

Perhaps you would be better able to argue your position had you come from a 'broken home' with parents who are atheists?
 
Perhaps you would be better able to argue your position had you come from a 'broken home' with parents who are atheists?

Well, his personal experiences wouldn't really be particularly relevant. He's talking about statistical correlations between certain lifestyle factors and educational achievement, so it's the results amongst groups as a whole which matter, not individual cases within those groups that may or may not reflect the trend amongst the majority.

All the data he's talking about is publically available, so he can easily show the lowered educational outcomes in people who's upbringing includes a number of those lifestyles. We don't need to get snitty about it, we just need to sit back until he posts links to the relevant data (which he is no doubt linking to as we speak) and then we politely apologize for doubting him and join him in his position on this matter.
 
just because SOME rats could survived rat's poison doesn't mean ALL rats will survive

So you are right, except for all the ways in which you are wrong.

That's... unconvincing.

Perhaps you would be better able to argue your position had you come from a 'broken home' with parents who are atheists?

not necessarily
 
DrZoidberg

i dont know you read my post #78

1. I'm not sure how believing in God is relevant to parenting. But moving on.

2. Do you think that parents should stay together if they're unhappy together? Do you think children will benefit from happy or unhappy parents? Do you think parents should stay together if the mother is beaten by her husband? How about if one parent becomes a drunk?

3. Sure. But a peaceful home might require the parents getting a divorce. Your list above doesn't seem to acknowledge that?

4. How are you planing on stopping them? If there's anything we've learned when studying teenagers is that they're going to have sex with one another. The teenagers who stay virgins do so because they failed at getting laid. And then they make up some bullshit song and dance about that this is what they wanted all along. Ehe... no. Teenagers are randy buggers. We can't lock them up, can we?

Isn't it better to accept that teenagers are going to fuck each other and come up with institutions to help mitigate the damage? If we try to prevent teenagers from having sex they're just going to get pregnant and AIDS. Is that better?

you may want to read this

The effects of Divorce on Children and Education
Divorce In The Classroom: When Does My Child Need Special Education?
Jessica St. Clair, MS, MFT

Children exposed to divorce are twice as likely to repeat a grade and five times likelier to be expelled or suspended from school, according to the article "Divorce's Toll on Children" by Karl Zinsmeister. In the early months after a divorce, young children especially, are less imaginative, more repetitive and passive watchers. They tend to be more dependent, demanding, unaffectionate and disobedient than children from intact families. They are more afraid of abandonment, loss of love and bodily harm. They carry these problems to school.

John Guidubaldi and Joseph Perry found in their survey of 700 youngsters that intact families on 9 of 30 mental health measures, show among other things, more withdrawal, dependency and inattention, and unhappiness, and less work effort. Divorced students were more likely to abuse drugs, to commit violent acts, to take their own life and to bear children out of wedlock. School personnel have their hands full trying to deal with the psychological and social issues of divorce in the classroom.

According to the National Survey of Children, 15 percent of children living with their mothers without contact with fathers were booted out of school. In Judith Wallerstein's study of the effects of divorce on children, of the middle class sample, 13% of the children had dropped out of school all together. Barely half of Wallersteins' subjects went to college, far less than the 85% average for students in their high schools. Sadly, she concludes that 60% of the divorce children in her study will fail to match the educational achievements of their fathers.

http://www.divorcewizards.com/The-effects-of-Divorce-on-Children-and-Education.html
 
1. I'm not sure how believing in God is relevant to parenting. But moving on.

2. Do you think that parents should stay together if they're unhappy together? Do you think children will benefit from happy or unhappy parents? Do you think parents should stay together if the mother is beaten by her husband? How about if one parent becomes a drunk?

3. Sure. But a peaceful home might require the parents getting a divorce. Your list above doesn't seem to acknowledge that?

4. How are you planing on stopping them? If there's anything we've learned when studying teenagers is that they're going to have sex with one another. The teenagers who stay virgins do so because they failed at getting laid. And then they make up some bullshit song and dance about that this is what they wanted all along. Ehe... no. Teenagers are randy buggers. We can't lock them up, can we?

Isn't it better to accept that teenagers are going to fuck each other and come up with institutions to help mitigate the damage? If we try to prevent teenagers from having sex they're just going to get pregnant and AIDS. Is that better?

you may want to read this

The effects of Divorce on Children and Education
Divorce In The Classroom: When Does My Child Need Special Education?
Jessica St. Clair, MS, MFT

Children exposed to divorce are twice as likely to repeat a grade and five times likelier to be expelled or suspended from school, according to the article "Divorce's Toll on Children" by Karl Zinsmeister. In the early months after a divorce, young children especially, are less imaginative, more repetitive and passive watchers. They tend to be more dependent, demanding, unaffectionate and disobedient than children from intact families. They are more afraid of abandonment, loss of love and bodily harm. They carry these problems to school.

John Guidubaldi and Joseph Perry found in their survey of 700 youngsters that intact families on 9 of 30 mental health measures, show among other things, more withdrawal, dependency and inattention, and unhappiness, and less work effort. Divorced students were more likely to abuse drugs, to commit violent acts, to take their own life and to bear children out of wedlock. School personnel have their hands full trying to deal with the psychological and social issues of divorce in the classroom.

According to the National Survey of Children, 15 percent of children living with their mothers without contact with fathers were booted out of school. In Judith Wallerstein's study of the effects of divorce on children, of the middle class sample, 13% of the children had dropped out of school all together. Barely half of Wallersteins' subjects went to college, far less than the 85% average for students in their high schools. Sadly, she concludes that 60% of the divorce children in her study will fail to match the educational achievements of their fathers.

http://www.divorcewizards.com/The-effects-of-Divorce-on-Children-and-Education.html

I don't question any of this. But what you need to do now is find a study that compares children from broken homes with children from unhappy relationships where the parents wanted to get a divorce but stayed together anyway.

In a free society where parents are free to get a divorce only parents who are a good match will stay married. No shit their kids will be happier. That's like saying water is wet.

Do you understand why that study doesn't prove what you think it proves?
 
Single-Parent Homes: The Effect on Schooling

WASHINGTON, June 28— The more time that children - especially boys - spend in one-parent homes, the less schooling they are likely to complete, a new study says.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/29/garden/single-parent-homes-the-effect-on-schooling.html


parents who believe in god stay together for sake of children's education and future of children happiness VS ungodly parents who lives for self pleasure of life
 
Single-Parent Homes: The Effect on Schooling

WASHINGTON, June 28— The more time that children - especially boys - spend in one-parent homes, the less schooling they are likely to complete, a new study says.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/29/garden/single-parent-homes-the-effect-on-schooling.html

I don't question this. But you will need to come up with a comparable study from a country which forces married people to live together even when they want a divorce. Until you do this doesn't prove anything.

parents who believe in god stay together for sake of children's education and future of children happiness VS ungodly parents who lives for self pleasure of life

I think that's complete bullshit and not supported by any of your studies.

If you look at the statistics all the top countries in the divorce statistics ranking are predominantly Muslim countries. How aren't you just arguing against Islam now? Jordan has more than twice the divorce rate than Sweden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography
 
I don't question this. But you will need to come up with a comparable study from a country which forces married people to live together even when they want a divorce. Until you do this doesn't prove anything.

parents who believe in god stay together for sake of children's education and future of children happiness VS ungodly parents who lives for self pleasure of life

I think that's complete bullshit and not supported by any of your studies.

If you look at the statistics all the top countries in the divorce statistics ranking are predominantly Muslim countries. How aren't you just arguing against Islam now? Jordan has more than twice the divorce rate than Sweden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography
Country Crude marriage rate = Crude divorce rate == % Divorce:marriage ratio
Jordan 10.2===============2.6========== 25
Sweden 5.3==============2.5 ============47

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography

even if muslims have higher divorced rate

the fact is godly two parents is better for children education then perverts parent who sleep around or dont marry
 
I don't question this. But you will need to come up with a comparable study from a country which forces married people to live together even when they want a divorce. Until you do this doesn't prove anything.



I think that's complete bullshit and not supported by any of your studies.

If you look at the statistics all the top countries in the divorce statistics ranking are predominantly Muslim countries. How aren't you just arguing against Islam now? Jordan has more than twice the divorce rate than Sweden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography
Country Crude marriage rate Crude divorce rate % Divorce:marriage ratio
Jordan 10.2 2.6 25
Sweden 5.3 2.5 47

It's the number of divorces per 1000 marriages per year. It's 10 for Jordan. 5 for Sweden

Jordanians marry more. But what this shows is that they marry more often when they shouldn't have.
 
my final thought on western civilization

western civilization built by believer in god ( christians )

christian's family value produced great scientists in christendom and gave rise to modern technology and economic of today

but today MAJORITY of people in christendom are atheists who seek self pleasure and have NO family value and will NOT sacrifice self-pleasure over their own children education

the western MONOPOLY on science and technology will be OVER in next 50 years

the EAST will rise AGAIN

and of course muslims will rise again
 
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