What will Trump Admin do about marijuana?

[repoman]

Hard to predict the future on this.

If the statewise legal and taxed industry was a few more years and states ahead I don't think he would do anything, but it is not.

I guess that it will depend on what scams the sharks in his admin can convince him about. It looks like someone with interests in private prisons will push heavily for a crackdown on it. A great way to insure a steady pipeline of inmates.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/23/private-prisons-back-trump-and-could-see-big-payoffs-new-policies/98300394/

Is there anyway for a scumbag who also knows the cash that be had through taxing weed or investing in the business to be appointed to a position that can bend his ear?

 

[Elixir]

Hard to predict the future on this.

If the statewise legal and taxed industry was a few more years and states ahead I don't think he would do anything, but it is not.

I guess that it will depend on what scams the sharks in his admin can convince him about. It looks like someone with interests in private prisons will push heavily for a crackdown on it. A great way to insure a steady pipeline of inmates.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/23/private-prisons-back-trump-and-could-see-big-payoffs-new-policies/98300394/

Is there anyway for a scumbag who also knows the cash that be had through taxing weed or investing in the business to be appointed to a position that can bend his ear?

If Cheato catches a whiff of the dollars flowing through legalized pot, it will be hard to keep his hands off it. The incarceration industry doesn't hold nearly the profit potential that the pot industry itself does. He just needs to find the aforementioned scumbag...

 

[Malintent]

It could go either way... it just depends on where he will profit the most. Does he have hands in the black market and/or prison profits? Or, does he see his hotels as getting in on the action and the massive increase in tax revenue as a higher value? What do the people that still support him want (or what he thinks they want, or what he can get them to want)?

His libertarian and business side should lean him in the direction of ending the war on pot and allowing the states to decide how it will be handled locally, as is the current philosophy inherited from the previous administration.

 

[J842P]

Hard to predict the future on this.

If the statewise legal and taxed industry was a few more years and states ahead I don't think he would do anything, but it is not.

I guess that it will depend on what scams the sharks in his admin can convince him about. It looks like someone with interests in private prisons will push heavily for a crackdown on it. A great way to insure a steady pipeline of inmates.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/23/private-prisons-back-trump-and-could-see-big-payoffs-new-policies/98300394/

Is there anyway for a scumbag who also knows the cash that be had through taxing weed or investing in the business to be appointed to a position that can bend his ear?

If Cheato catches a whiff of the dollars flowing through legalized pot, it will be hard to keep his hands off it. The incarceration industry doesn't hold nearly the profit potential that the pot industry itself does. He just needs to find the aforementioned scumbag...

Clearly, legalizing and taxing marijuana is much more lucrative than private prisons, unless you are in the business of private prisons.

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It could go either way... it just depends on where he will profit the most. Does he have hands in the black market and/or prison profits? Or, does he see his hotels as getting in on the action and the massive increase in tax revenue as a higher value? What do the people that still support him want (or what he thinks they want, or what he can get them to want)?

His libertarian and business side should lean him in the direction of ending the war on pot and allowing the states to decide how it will be handled locally, as is the current philosophy inherited from the previous administration.

I don't think Trump has a "libertarian business side." Trumpism represents your typical conservative reactionary politics. I think given the fact that his administration is full of the worst sorts of Drug Warriors - the kind that make Joe Biden seem relatively benign - makes it seem like the administration is not going to take the libertarian route here...

 

[southernhybrid]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/02/23/spicer-feds-could-step-up-anti-pot-enforcement-in-states-where-recreational-marijuana-is-legal/

White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Thursday that he expects states to be subject to “greater enforcement” of federal laws against marijuana use, a move that could undercut the growing number of jurisdictions moving to legalize the drug for recreational purposes.

Spicer, speaking at a White House press briefing, said that President Trump sees “a big difference” between use of marijuana for medical purposes and for recreational purposes.

So much for state's rights. Sessions has been ambiguous on this issue. He's not sure it's right to interfere with the states that have legalized recreational MJ, but he's not ruling it out.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A major step-up in DEA armed robberies of dispensaries.

 

[repoman]

Washington State should have the National Guard fully armed outside of dispensaries with shoot to kill orders for Feds.


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OK, this leads to a derail question:

Is there a particular thing that the Federal government would want to enforce at the end of a gun that it had zero right to do (and previously ruled on) and have a State government prevent from happening also with the end of a gun?

It is a bigger version of say a policeman wanted to arrest you with no legally valid cause and you drew a gun to prevent him. I think that you should not be in trouble for that.

 

[untermensche]

It was the Obama administration that did not reschedule marijuana for 8 years.

One of the safest known drugs on the planet is scheduled as if it is one of the most dangerous.

Reality is turned completely on its head.

Inaction during the Obama administration is now going to allow a federal crackdown by Trump's goons.

The people I blame most are the people who wanted Hillary over Bernie.

I will never forget their stupidity.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It was the Obama administration that did not reschedule marijuana for 8 years.

I don't think Obama had the power to do so.

 

[repoman]

It was the Obama administration that did not reschedule marijuana for 8 years.

I don't think Obama had the power to do so.

It looks like he did, but moot point now:

http://reason.com/reasontv/2016/04/20/how-president-can-end-pot-prohibition

 

[another1]

Marijuana is a psychedelic drug. Psychedelics tend to make people think beside themselves. Harder to keep people in line that way. Plus it is a very good weapon as an illegal substance.

The powers that be obviously want you to smoke it, because it is flashing in neon when you close your eyes and look at the little fractals. We are practically trained to believe that it is harmless fun, now. It seeped through the highest parts of popular culture as a harmless joke.

People are getting stoned while doing very important jobs. Personally I don't want my food prepared by someone stoned, unless I know them. Same goes with giving blood, sending a child to learn, navigating traffic, getting an oil change... none of the things I assume normal people do daily. Pothead teachers are the worst. Schools are just horrifying. But hey, pot is legal!

The negative side of the drug is being exploited - while it is being painted as something positive... ending in negative results. That is all orchestrated beautifully, while communities like mines are being bulldozed by heroin, which too is being glamourized and burned into our retinas (in a longer running campaign). But we all know that is business as usual.

Should Our great leader legalize marijuana? I know he would earn some cool points from me at first. The economy would probably appear to improve. Hippies would finally shut the hell up. There would be a period of peace before literal reefer madness set in.

Inhibition would slowly chip away. "Important" things would lose meaning. People would be late for work. Hell,, they may even figure out that working is pointless. I'm keeping an eye on California and it doesn't look good. They are coming down with a madness, and no coincidence that it overcomes them immediately after the devil weed is completely legalized. Or is it something else they are mad about? Well, either way, it has weaponized in California. Marijuana. Nice timing.

I've done some thinking and I realized that I never really liked Californians. Nothing has ever impressed me about the place. The people seem weak. Yeah, I don't like the native Californians. I know some people who moved there recently, so they cool. They have the same complaints actually. I was like, I warned you before you did it. Sucks to be you. Live and learn, ya know. I wouldn't step foot there, even if they offered full felony expungement and a gift basket of pot as a greeting. Something fishy about those people.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Spicer, speaking at a White House press briefing, said that President Trump sees “a big difference” between use of marijuana for medical purposes and for recreational purposes.

So, if i'm healthy, I can't have it.
If i'm dying, I can have it.

Fucking doomed privilege...

 

[untermensche]

Marijuana is a psychedelic drug. Psychedelics tend to make people think beside themselves. Harder to keep people in line that way. Plus it is a very good weapon as an illegal substance.

The powers that be obviously want you to smoke it, because it is flashing in neon when you close your eyes and look at the little fractals. We are practically trained to believe that it is harmless fun, now. It seeped through the highest parts of popular culture as a harmless joke.

People are getting stoned while doing very important jobs. Personally I don't want my food prepared by someone stoned, unless I know them. Same goes with giving blood, sending a child to learn, navigating traffic, getting an oil change... none of the things I assume normal people do daily. Pothead teachers are the worst. Schools are just horrifying. But hey, pot is legal!

The negative side of the drug is being exploited - while it is being painted as something positive... ending in negative results. That is all orchestrated beautifully, while communities like mines are being bulldozed by heroin, which too is being glamourized and burned into our retinas (in a longer running campaign). But we all know that is business as usual.

Should Our great leader legalize marijuana? I know he would earn some cool points from me at first. The economy would probably appear to improve. Hippies would finally shut the hell up. There would be a period of peace before literal reefer madness set in.

Inhibition would slowly chip away. "Important" things would lose meaning. People would be late for work. Hell,, they may even figure out that working is pointless. I'm keeping an eye on California and it doesn't look good. They are coming down with a madness, and no coincidence that it overcomes them immediately after the devil weed is completely legalized. Or is it something else they are mad about? Well, either way, it has weaponized in California. Marijuana. Nice timing.

I've done some thinking and I realized that I never really liked Californians. Nothing has ever impressed me about the place. The people seem weak. Yeah, I don't like the native Californians. I know some people who moved there recently, so they cool. They have the same complaints actually. I was like, I warned you before you did it. Sucks to be you. Live and learn, ya know. I wouldn't step foot there, even if they offered full felony expungement and a gift basket of pot as a greeting. Something fishy about those people.

Is this an Archie Bunker impression?

Millions of Americans use marijuana everyday.

It is not associated with accidents, or bad food, or any significant health issue, not breathing issues or lung cancer.

It is one of the safest known substances in the world.

As safe as clean water.

 

[LordKiran]

Marijuana is a psychedelic drug. Psychedelics tend to make people think beside themselves. Harder to keep people in line that way. Plus it is a very good weapon as an illegal substance.

The powers that be obviously want you to smoke it, because it is flashing in neon when you close your eyes and look at the little fractals. We are practically trained to believe that it is harmless fun, now. It seeped through the highest parts of popular culture as a harmless joke.

People are getting stoned while doing very important jobs. Personally I don't want my food prepared by someone stoned, unless I know them. Same goes with giving blood, sending a child to learn, navigating traffic, getting an oil change... none of the things I assume normal people do daily. Pothead teachers are the worst. Schools are just horrifying. But hey, pot is legal!

The negative side of the drug is being exploited - while it is being painted as something positive... ending in negative results. That is all orchestrated beautifully, while communities like mines are being bulldozed by heroin, which too is being glamourized and burned into our retinas (in a longer running campaign). But we all know that is business as usual.

Should Our great leader legalize marijuana? I know he would earn some cool points from me at first. The economy would probably appear to improve. Hippies would finally shut the hell up. There would be a period of peace before literal reefer madness set in.

Inhibition would slowly chip away. "Important" things would lose meaning. People would be late for work. Hell,, they may even figure out that working is pointless. I'm keeping an eye on California and it doesn't look good. They are coming down with a madness, and no coincidence that it overcomes them immediately after the devil weed is completely legalized. Or is it something else they are mad about? Well, either way, it has weaponized in California. Marijuana. Nice timing.

I've done some thinking and I realized that I never really liked Californians. Nothing has ever impressed me about the place. The people seem weak. Yeah, I don't like the native Californians. I know some people who moved there recently, so they cool. They have the same complaints actually. I was like, I warned you before you did it. Sucks to be you. Live and learn, ya know. I wouldn't step foot there, even if they offered full felony expungement and a gift basket of pot as a greeting. Something fishy about those people.

Is this an Archie Bunker impression?

Millions of Americans use marijuana everyday.

It is not associated with accidents, or bad food, or any significant health issue, not breathing issues or lung cancer.

It is one of the safest known substances in the world.

As safe as clean water.

Even for an exaggeration this is overstating the health effects of Marijuana, especially when smoked.

 

[untermensche]

Is this an Archie Bunker impression?

Millions of Americans use marijuana everyday.

It is not associated with accidents, or bad food, or any significant health issue, not breathing issues or lung cancer.

It is one of the safest known substances in the world.

As safe as clean water.

Even for an exaggeration this is overstating the health effects of Marijuana, especially when smoked.

Evidence?

 

[bilby]

Even for an exaggeration this is overstating the health effects of Marijuana, especially when smoked.

Evidence?

http://www.atsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1164/arrd.1987.135.1.209

Marijuana smoke is about equally harmful to lungs as tobacco smoke.

Inhaling smoke of any kind is bad for lungs. Even inhaling chemically inert fine particulate dust is bad for lungs; and neither marijuana nor tobacco smokes are chemically inert.

There are some adverse affects in tobacco smokers that are less common in marijuana smokers; and some adverse effects in marijuana smokers that are less common in tobacco smokers. But overall, both groups of smokers (and smokers of both substances) have approximately equal levels of lung impairment when compared with non-smokers.

 

[LordKiran]

Evidence?

http://www.atsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1164/arrd.1987.135.1.209

Marijuana smoke is about equally harmful to lungs as tobacco smoke.

Inhaling smoke of any kind is bad for lungs. Even inhaling chemically inert fine particulate dust is bad for lungs; and neither marijuana nor tobacco smokes are chemically inert.

There are some adverse affects in tobacco smokers that are less common in marijuana smokers; and some adverse effects in marijuana smokers that are less common in tobacco smokers. But overall, both groups of smokers (and smokers of both substances) have approximately equal levels of lung impairment when compared with non-smokers.

Eugh, I should try switching to vape. I'm not really sure what the health benefits even are but I'd feel better about it at least.

 

[untermensche]

Evidence?

http://www.atsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1164/arrd.1987.135.1.209

Marijuana smoke is about equally harmful to lungs as tobacco smoke.

Inhaling smoke of any kind is bad for lungs. Even inhaling chemically inert fine particulate dust is bad for lungs; and neither marijuana nor tobacco smokes are chemically inert.

There are some adverse affects in tobacco smokers that are less common in marijuana smokers; and some adverse effects in marijuana smokers that are less common in tobacco smokers. But overall, both groups of smokers (and smokers of both substances) have approximately equal levels of lung impairment when compared with non-smokers.

These are minor symptoms, a cough due to extra sputum. The air passages are irritated.

Not a disease. Not COPD or cancer. The serious problems associated with tobacco smoking, even chewing.

People become seriously ill and even die from hyponatremia all the time from consuming too much water too quickly.

Smoking marijuana will irritate your air passages. That is why half the marijuana sold in Colorado is etables.

 

[Elixir]

Marijuana smoke is about equally harmful to lungs as tobacco smoke.

Pretty safe then, since a "normal" user only inhales a tiny fraction of the amount of smoke that a typical tobacco smoker inhales.

 

[barbos]

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