People leaving US after Trump election

[whichphilosophy]

I admit that were I able to get a passport and meaningful employment in another country I would sincerely consider it. This is not going to happen, so I'll just keep my head down, my hoodie pulled up, and hope no one notices how embarrassed I am to be an American. I'm sure Trump has already set up a hotline for his people to call when they notice folks like me.

There is no problem in obtaining a passport from a nation you are a citizen of. If you are an American you will be able to apply for an American passport. Many people would leave their country if they could find better employment elsewhere.
The problem with America is not people wanting to leave but the masses want to enter. They don't think it's a bad deal.

 

[whichphilosophy]

No evidence a stampede of refugees 'fled' the USA since Trump won,

You realize it usually takes years to get residence in another country if you can do so at all?

My wife got US residence in just about the easiest way possible--marriage. It was still over two years from when we started the process until she had conditional permanent residence. Had she not already been in the US when we married much of that time would have elapsed before she was allowed entry.

Now, some people have it easier--marriage + baby goes faster than just marriage.

Two weeks from when we started the process we hadn't even submitted the application yet. It took her a lot longer than that to gather the required documentation and find out what to do about the documentation that did not exist. (Admittedly, this part would have gone faster with a lawyer, and it would go faster these days when everything but documents goes in milliseconds instead of days. Even now, though, it would take more than two weeks to gather it.)

I assume the wife can stay while the application is processed.

A Briton who gets married to a non EU Citizen cannot legally bring the spouse into the country unless the minimum income is GBP18,500.00 plus GBP2,500. for the first child and I think around GBP1,800.00 for the further children. A Eu worker who enters the UK is not covered by such legislation and can bring in anyone they wish.

Some years ago Britons worked abroad when Norman Tebbit informed them that if they can't find a job they should get on their bikes. For those who returned to the UK and were unemployed the EU imposed the Residency Test Law which is subject to local authority testing. It determines they are not immediately qualified for any welfare, or if they are working, any government affordable housing.

While refugees are more than welcome they are correctly given immediate housing and welfare. Many have several children, especially those from Somalia and Eritrea. However the rights of a British Citizen fell below that of a refugee at that level. The Ealing Council advertises it welcomes Refugees and Asylum seekers but for a Briton it means living in the area for 5 years before being permitted onto a housing list. This includes old people who are retired.

Britons who return to the UK seem unable to obtain Government Healthcare unless they can provide a utility bill and tennancy agreements. People who return to UK and stay with friends face this problem.

The UK is still a good place for some but some incomes have been frozen since 2008 and prices in the shops seem to have actually dropped to less than 3 years ago when I was there before.

The UK like the USA needs to concentrate on infrastructure to meet demand and freeze in migrants. Jews in the UK are now fencing their synagogues and some express concern about wearing traditional orthodox clothing due to antisemitic attacks from a very small minority in the UK (not only from Jihadis).

So a British citizen has slightly less rights than foreign guests and workers. Only a few thousand are affected but that is still a poor situation.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I admit that were I able to get a passport and meaningful employment in another country I would sincerely consider it. This is not going to happen, so I'll just keep my head down, my hoodie pulled up, and hope no one notices how embarrassed I am to be an American. I'm sure Trump has already set up a hotline for his people to call when they notice folks like me.

There is no problem in obtaining a passport from a nation you are a citizen of. If you are an American you will be able to apply for an American passport. Many people would leave their country if they could find better employment elsewhere.
The problem with America is not people wanting to leave but the masses want to enter. They don't think it's a bad deal.

I think it's pretty clear that by "passport" he meant citizenship in another country.

 

[whichphilosophy]

There is no problem in obtaining a passport from a nation you are a citizen of. If you are an American you will be able to apply for an American passport. Many people would leave their country if they could find better employment elsewhere.
The problem with America is not people wanting to leave but the masses want to enter. They don't think it's a bad deal.

I think it's pretty clear that by "passport" he meant citizenship in another country.

You can work with a US passport in another country. A lot of people do. The person can get a visa.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I assume the wife can stay while the application is processed.

Stay, yes. Enter, no.

A Briton who gets married to a non EU Citizen cannot legally bring the spouse into the country unless the minimum income is GBP18,500.00 plus GBP2,500. for the first child and I think around GBP1,800.00 for the further children. A Eu worker who enters the UK is not covered by such legislation and can bring in anyone they wish.

Here it is IIRC 125% of the poverty line, 1/5 of assets may be counted towards this.

 

[braces_for_impact]

No actually I meant passport. If you owe child support they won't give you one.

 

[crispy]

I admit that were I able to get a passport and meaningful employment in another country I would sincerely consider it. This is not going to happen, so I'll just keep my head down, my hoodie pulled up, and hope no one notices how embarrassed I am to be an American. I'm sure Trump has already set up a hotline for his people to call when they notice folks like me.

Europe is open for business

 

[whichphilosophy]

No actually I meant passport. If you owe child support they won't give you one.

I knew I was right. But where would you go?

 

[braces_for_impact]

The UK I think. I've always liked the UK.

 

[bilby]

The UK I think. I've always liked the UK.

Going there from Florida, at this time of year, would be a bit of a shock to the system.

Might I suggest South East Queensland? It has a Floridian climate, and is something of a hybrid of US and UK culturally.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Oh I'm not going anywhere. Nice to dream though.

 

[bilby]

Oh I'm not going anywhere. Nice to dream though.

Quitter. Start swimming. It's only about 8,500 miles, if you go via the Panama Canal.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Oh I'm not going anywhere. Nice to dream though.

Quitter. Start swimming. It's only about 8,500 miles, if you go via the Panama Canal.

Well, the climate will definitely be similar via that route.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The UK I think. I've always liked the UK.

You need a lot of money if you are in London.
Rent is very high, food prices are getting low and the place is crowded. You can get NHS services but there are long queues.

If you have any special skills that would be excellent but you need to be paying £400 to £1,000 per month for rent. Fares are high. It's a nice place.
I'm there now but possibly travelling abroad again to Asia this time if I get a contract next week.

 

[Tigers!]

The UK I think. I've always liked the UK.

Going there from Florida, at this time of year, would be a bit of a shock to the system.

Might I suggest South East Queensland? It has a Floridian climate, and is something of a hybrid of US and UK culturally.

Good fro climate but what about all those Victorians fleeing oppression you will meet there?

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Canada (and New Zealand and Australia) won't take me...

Thats depends upon how much money you have ..........

 

[Tigers!]

Attention Tom Sawyer or any other Canadian:

Before Trump was elected we heard of many persons, well-known or otherwise, who promised (threatened?) to leave the USA if Trump were elected. Canada seemed to be a favoured destination (why Canada is probably best left for another thread).
Are there any stats that might tell us how many yanks actually put their money where their mouth is and actually went north (thereby probably increasing the IQ of both countries)?

Link? Which ones? Then you can maybe tell. We were still waiting for Ted Nugent to go. He must be stuck in Customs and Borders.

IIRC Amy Schumer threatened (promised?) to leave if Trump won then changed her mind.
Didn't Penn threaten to leave every time Bush won? Where does he leave now?

 

[Ger1956]

They threaten to leave is Bush got elected ,they threaten to leave if Trump got elected,they threaten to leave if any republican is elected. what is wrong with you people. I think Alec Baldwin has threaten to leave ...LOL I stopped counting at 6. As a Canadian STAY HOME , we don't want you. If that's how you believe in democracy, it's either my way or I protest, burn cars, break windows, set women hair on fire who needs you! I have never missed a vote in Canada ,sometimes my guy wins, sometimes my guy loses it's called democracy...live with it or leave just not to Canada. Please don't give me this crap about the right to protest , I am the first that would stick up for that right, but not violence and destruction that is not your right. The only people that seem to get hurt are small businesses that you people attack,but of course nobody sees these people doing it right...HYPOCRITES!

 

[ideologyhunter]

I was gonna move until I bought the Encyclopedia of Canadian Classic Cuisine.

 

[Playball40]

This is where I am. I could get a passport and probably transfer within my company. But my kids and family are here. I don't know if my husband could find employment (his company is not multi national like mine). That said, the more I thought about it the angrier I got........till I decided. NO. FUCK THAT! I'm not leaving with my tail between my legs. I will stay here and fight for my home. I will NOT let it become the Handmaid's Tail without me kicking and scratching and fighting the whole way. For the first time in my life, I realized that I WOULD DIE fighting fascism.

I admit that were I able to get a passport and meaningful employment in another country I would sincerely consider it. This is not going to happen, so I'll just keep my head down, my hoodie pulled up, and hope no one notices how embarrassed I am to be an American. I'm sure Trump has already set up a hotline for his people to call when they notice folks like me.

 

[ZiprHead]

I would consider moving to Canada, not because of US politics though. My family, when I was young, would vacation in Canada almost every year. I think it's a beautiful country and is much more sane than the US.