But none of that was while he held political office. That is what is going against Hillary. Her corruption accusations are about her breaking laws while holding office. If the accusations against her are true, she is a criminal and treasonous. If the accusations against Trump are true, he's just an asshole and a run of the mill criminal (and rapist), like David Duke combine with Bill Cosby. Even with his public love affair with Putin, he hasn't been in a position to commit high treason like she has. At least not yet.
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But none of that was while he held political office. That is what is going against Hillary. Her corruption accusations are about her breaking laws while holding office. If the accusations against her are true, she is a criminal and treasonous. If the accusations against Trump are true, he's just an asshole and a run of the mill criminal (and rapist), like David Duke combine with Bill Cosby. Even with his public love affair with Putin, he hasn't been in a position to commit high treason like she has. At least not yet.
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Keep in mind, this happened in the military. I don't know if it happens elsewhere, but I assume it does for particular sorts of people, particularly in intimate all-male settings. I assume it happens a lot in prison...
It happened a number of times people bragged about or discussed false or suspect sexual exploits, particularly ones that involved some sort of sexual assault, from throwing semen onto places no semen was wanted, to tricking someone into full-on intercorse with someone they did not intend to sleep with. From discussions of drunk sex to discussions about orgies, and discussions of abuse and hurting women. It is virulent in the military and yes, EVERYONE does it, at least in BCT.
The worst part? I joined in. I have no idea of whether the others were actually serious about having done things they confessed to but I know my own were wholely lies. Why did I? Because I didn't want to get outed as gay. Fat lot of good that did.
But yes, this kind of 'locker room talk' happens, and it is disgusting. None of the people who did it could in any sense of the word be considered 'upstanding citizens'. Mostly they were backwater jerks, racists, anti-Semites, and ex-gang members.
None of them were really fit for office.
It happened a number of times people bragged about or discussed false or suspect sexual exploits, particularly ones that involved some sort of sexual assault, from throwing semen onto places no semen was wanted, to tricking someone into full-on intercorse with someone they did not intend to sleep with. From discussions of drunk sex to discussions about orgies, and discussions of abuse and hurting women. It is virulent in the military and yes, EVERYONE does it, at least in BCT.
The worst part? I joined in. I have no idea of whether the others were actually serious about having done things they confessed to but I know my own were wholely lies. Why did I? Because I didn't want to get outed as gay. Fat lot of good that did.
But yes, this kind of 'locker room talk' happens, and it is disgusting. None of the people who did it could in any sense of the word be considered 'upstanding citizens'. Mostly they were backwater jerks, racists, anti-Semites, and ex-gang members.
None of them were really fit for office.
TSwizzle
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Oh behave yourself.
Polls showing Trump isn't all that hurt by this with his base.
What would really hurt him would be to expose him as an atheist, that he has funded abortions, etc.
We should all start declaring that Donald Trump will be the First Atheist President and that could turn the Trump people against him.
What would really hurt him would be to expose him as an atheist, that he has funded abortions, etc.
We should all start declaring that Donald Trump will be the First Atheist President and that could turn the Trump people against him.
I think that they already know. I doubt there are many people who believe his whole conversion thing.
I've met a few who buy it, but for those that don't, I think putting emphasis on it could help. Try to find a way to link him to Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins, etc
It'd be hilarious if of of those guys came out in favour of Trump and said they are looking forward to the first atheist president.
I think some Trump supporters' eyes would pop out.
That would be particularly pathetic on their behalf if, after all the stuff that Trump has said and done that this would be the tipping point for them.
What's even more pathetic is that it's not irrational to suggest that this would be the case.
What's even more pathetic is that it's not irrational to suggest that this would be the case.
They identify with him. The answer to his undoing is to break that. Pushing him as an atheist could do the trick. Make it so they have to say they want an atheist president in order to keep supporting him.
They identify with him. The answer to his undoing is to break that. Pushing him as an atheist could do the trick. Make it so they have to say they want an atheist president in order to keep supporting him.
Tell 'em he loves his neighbour - that'll finish him!
Elixir
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They identify with him. The answer to his undoing is to break that. Pushing him as an atheist could do the trick. Make it so they have to say they want an atheist president in order to keep supporting him.
Tell 'em he loves his neighbour - that'll finish him!
...as long as his neighbor is an 8 or less.
RavenSky
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That is what is so frustrating about all of this.
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I worked for the US Navy (civil service) for about a dozen years. I spent time on combat ships, on bases, and generally lots of hours with E4s thru E8s as part of support operations. A smaller portion of our civil service guys were ex-military as well. So I spent time after work, traveling, having dinner, hanging out in a bar, et.al. over the years. I can remember lots of boasting about women, dirty jokes, or coarse comments about what they'd like to do (consensuality was implied) to the woman walking by. But I don't particularly remember talk of taking women without their consent like Trump did. I think that would have kind of shocked me into remembering such a comment. And most of these guy also weren't presidential material by any definition even without such rancid talk...
Elixir
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Yup. But if Clinton read that list at a debate, we'd just get more "LIES! They're all LIES!" - and the trumpsuckers would eat it up.
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I don't hang out in men's locker rooms, so I can't comment first hand either way; but no man I have discussed this with recalls engaging in or hearing brags about sexual assault as any part of man-to-man banter - locker room or otherwise.
That said, I do think it happens in isolated situations, such as Jarhyn experienced. I think when you get a predatory bullying asshole like Trump was even when he was a child and teenager, surround him with people who either want to emulate him (like his trumpettes) or are afraid of him, I think you can wind up with a brew that results in situations like the Steubenville High School rape case.
I can't prove it, but I would be willing to bet that there was quite a bit of predatory "locker room banter" going on with at least some of the Steubenville High School football team before they sexually assaulted the young woman. I can also state with a fair amount of certainty that the actual guilty party - the Trump of the group - was not one of the two boys who were convicted of sexual assault. But when you have a toxic brew of self-entitled predator(s), those who want emulate him/them, and those who want to excuse/cover for him/them, we get sexual assaults dismissed as "boys will be boys" - just like we are seeing with Trump and Billy Bush** and all of Trump's defenders.
** who paid the price for Trump's boasts about sexual assault instead of Trump.
That said, I do think it happens in isolated situations, such as Jarhyn experienced. I think when you get a predatory bullying asshole like Trump was even when he was a child and teenager, surround him with people who either want to emulate him (like his trumpettes) or are afraid of him, I think you can wind up with a brew that results in situations like the Steubenville High School rape case.
I can't prove it, but I would be willing to bet that there was quite a bit of predatory "locker room banter" going on with at least some of the Steubenville High School football team before they sexually assaulted the young woman. I can also state with a fair amount of certainty that the actual guilty party - the Trump of the group - was not one of the two boys who were convicted of sexual assault. But when you have a toxic brew of self-entitled predator(s), those who want emulate him/them, and those who want to excuse/cover for him/them, we get sexual assaults dismissed as "boys will be boys" - just like we are seeing with Trump and Billy Bush** and all of Trump's defenders.
** who paid the price for Trump's boasts about sexual assault instead of Trump.
Or lack thereof, as it were.
