More totalitarianism at US colleges

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Written to JonA:

Outside of the minor contribution of showing that I used the term "Web site" instead of "Web page", your contributions have indicated a lack of knowledge about how universities function.

...and how high schools function.

 

[JonA]

...it "is" the University - whose staff just happens to be elected by the student body instead of hired or appointed by university officials.

If you actually meant that "is" means "is [not]" then you'd be right but of course you're going to have to prove what you actually wrote since the student government is elected from the student body by the students.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Your argument is utterly stupid, as demonstrated by the example that the US Congress is still an arm of the US government just as the Supreme Court is, despite the employees who make up one being elected and the employees who make up the other being hired and appointed.

How an organization's members are chosen really has nothing to do with how that organization relates to some larger institution.

And it is well understood that parts of intuitions are those institutions as they act under the authority and/or on behalf of those institutions the same way the guy vacuuming the halls is your landlord even if he isn't the same guy who collects the rent, signs the leases or owns the company.

This is really elementary. And unless someone wants to present some evidence to counter what is obvious on its face - that the UHSGA is a part of the UH, is established by it and operates under its authority, and is subject to the same regulations as is the UH under the state and every other campus organization is under UH - , there is little more discussion to be had here.

 

[laughing dog]

This is really elementary. And unless someone wants to present some evidence to counter what is obvious on its face - that the UHSGA is a part of the UH, is established by it and operates under its authority, and is subject to the same regulations as is the UH under the state and every other campus organization is under UH - , there is little more discussion to be had here.

You have just admitted the UHSGA is not the university. The UHSGA does not help administer or run the UH. The UH has no power within the UH to force anything. I agree there has always been little discussion to be had on this point, yet you continue to babble away about it.

 

[JonA]

This is really elementary. And unless someone wants to present some evidence to counter what is obvious on its face - that the UHSGA is a part of the UH, is established by it and operates under its authority, and is subject to the same regulations as is the UH under the state and every other campus organization is under UH - , there is little more discussion to be had here.

You have just admitted the UHSGA is not the university. The UHSGA does not help administer or run the UH. The UH has no power within the UH to force anything. I agree there has always been little discussion to be had on this point, yet you continue to babble away about it.

Again with the bot, eh?

 

[whichphilosophy]

I looked at this blog. The UH SGA seems to have at least some influence or presence in the University administration and state legislation. I can't see that means it is necessarily managing the University but represents the student body there. As for the state legislators, it would be something like a lobbyist. This is only taken from blogs from the UH SGA.

http://www.uh.edu/sga/executive/

The Student Body President serves as the top student body representative to the university administration, Board of Regents, and Texas Legislature. The President is the head of the Student Government Association and leads the Executive Branch of SGA. The President initiates, develops, and sustains many policies, projects, and programs geared toward enhancing the quality of student experience on campus.

It has its own Kangaroo court, sorry Supreme court system

http://www.uh.edu/sga/judicial/index.html

 

[laughing dog]

You have just admitted the UHSGA is not the university. The UHSGA does not help administer or run the UH. The UH has no power within the UH to force anything. I agree there has always been little discussion to be had on this point, yet you continue to babble away about it.

Again with the bot, eh?

At least you have shortened your stupid content-free responses.

 

[JonA]

I looked at this blog. The UH SGA seems to have at least some influence or presence in the University administration and state legislation. I can't see that means it is necessarily managing the University but represents the student body there. As for the state legislators, it would be something like a lobbyist. This is only taken from blogs from the UH SGA.

http://www.uh.edu/sga/executive/

The Student Body President serves as the top student body representative to the university administration, Board of Regents, and Texas Legislature. The President is the head of the Student Government Association and leads the Executive Branch of SGA. The President initiates, develops, and sustains many policies, projects, and programs geared toward enhancing the quality of student experience on campus.

It has its own Kangaroo court, sorry Supreme court system

http://www.uh.edu/sga/judicial/index.html

Thanks.

From what it looks like to me, the SGA is established and maintained by the university as a service to its students, much like a career services department.

It is definitely unique. But what rather cinches it for me is the fact that some of its members, while being elected by the student body, are basically paid employees of the university.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

...the SGA is established and maintained by the university as a service to its students...

The SGA's existence is dependent upon student involvement and participation, including running for office and voting. Whether they receive pay is contingent upon students voting them in and whether they continue to receive pay is contingent upon students not voting them out of office. Ergo, their de facto employer is the students. This should have been clear to you in the op article:

Actions by SGA, a registered student organization subject to its own governance, are not University actions and do not affect the academic standing of a student at the University of Houston. The University of Houston continues to stand firm in support of free speech and does not discipline students for exercising their Constitutional rights.

Now if you want to continue with your conspiracy theory, you're going to have to actually submit extraordinary evidence.

 

[KeepTalking]

the guy vacuuming the halls is your landlord even if he isn't the same guy who collects the rent, signs the leases or owns the company.