Post-poll Brexit poll

[whichphilosophy]

It's not that he didn't want but he's got an image problem with the Tory grandies and Michael Gove apparently choose to take advantage of that but he himself has not chance to win. So that leaves essentially May and Fox. I say May. And she has already said leave means leave. God help Britain.

Apparently Gove couldn't get any firm assurance from Boris* that he would give him a job in his government so he ditched** Boris, who was already making a fool of himself.

Things are moving really fast sometimes and don't seem to get any better. I had hoped I could retire in peaceful times. I think the main problem is optimisation makes control more difficult, uncertain and ultimately risky. That would require smarter leaders. They are probably smarter but perhaps not quite enough.
EB


(*) Gove probably doesn't seem smart enough to Boris. Too Little Englander.
(**) Commentators talk rather of backstabbing...

I'm pretty sure petitions by Scotland and N. Ireland to break from GB will change any conservative leader's mind about leaving the EU.

I was not aware that Northern Ireland wants to break from the UK. Some do but there is now joint leadership between Sinn Fein and the main 'protestant parties.

As for Scotland, independence is a good idea.

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

Too late for that as the votes have been cast. I'm not so sure it's scare story. The US has one; India and China have one so logically that would be on the cards.

It wasn't too late at the time of the article you linked to.

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

72% was a record turnout, so if there is a referendum and less people vote, whoever loses will cry foul.

You mean like Farage said he would do if it was a close-run vote? “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.” Well, it was 52-48, just not the way he meant. Haven't heard anything from him about "unfinished business" since the vote, though.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

 

[bilby]

There's indeed a reservoir of young abstentionists who might be mobilised in a second vote.

One scenario leading to a second vote might be that the economy suffers so much that people, voters and politicians alike, get real scared and throw away any democratic decency. Given the rather longuish delay for designating a new PM the economy has all the time it needs to try to scare people.
EB

72% was a record turnout, so if there is a referendum and less people vote, whoever loses will cry foul.

FEWER

 

[bilby]

I'm pretty sure petitions by Scotland and N. Ireland to break from GB will change any conservative leader's mind about leaving the EU.

I was not aware that Northern Ireland wants to break from the UK. Some do but there is now joint leadership between Sinn Fein and the main 'protestant parties.

As for Scotland, independence is a good idea.

Please don't start listing all the facts concerning this issue of which you are unaware.

We will be here all bloody year.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Too late for that as the votes have been cast. I'm not so sure it's scare story. The US has one; India and China have one so logically that would be on the cards.

It wasn't too late at the time of the article you linked to.

In that sense okay. Now it's too late.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I was not aware that Northern Ireland wants to break from the UK. Some do but there is now joint leadership between Sinn Fein and the main 'protestant parties.

As for Scotland, independence is a good idea.

Please don't start listing all the facts concerning this issue of which you are unaware.

We will be here all bloody year.

This may clarify

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...but-a-firm-no-to-united-ireland-30622987.html

The people of Northern Ireland want a border poll referendum (left) - but there is still no significant appetite for a united Ireland (right). *Total excludes no opinion/no vote

The seats during the elections showed 11 seats for parties in favour of remaining with the union (including one independent) and 7 in favour of joining Eire.

 

[whichphilosophy]

New polls suggest that Germans want more power from the EU but in the main wish to stay in the EU

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rom-eu-post-brexit-survey-finds-a7111606.html

new poll shows nearly two-thirds of Germans want their government to reclaim some powers from the European Union after the UK voted to leave.

The survey by Emnid for the N24 news channel found 62 per cent of the country’s citizens believe it should reclaim some of its powers, although the overwhelming majority are still in favour of membership.

Three-quarters of those surveyed said they wanted to continue being members of the union - but like Britain. this figure disguises a generational gap.

 

[iolo]

We have to pretend that the electorate knew what it wanted, but, obviously, the Brexiteers were voting for about fifteen different things, including Pie in the Sky and Christmas every Tuesday. Any new Government needs to force them to say what they actually hope realistically to achieve, giving specific choices. The best hope now is the Norwegian position, but I'm afraid we must endure moths of chaos to secure even that.

 

[whichphilosophy]

We have to pretend that the electorate knew what it wanted, but, obviously, the Brexiteers were voting for about fifteen different things, including Pie in the Sky and Christmas every Tuesday. Any new Government needs to force them to say what they actually hope realistically to achieve, giving specific choices. The best hope now is the Norwegian position, but I'm afraid we must endure moths of chaos to secure even that.

I think it will extend beyond 2 years. The Conservatives want to wait until it elects a new leader (when there is nothing wrong with the deputy leader being in charge). The Tory fumbling may either benefit Labour or UKIP or both.

 

[bilby]

... I'm afraid we must endure moths of chaos ...

There's nothing worse than moths of chaos. They flap their wings in Brazil, and a week later the United Kingdom is blown apart in a freak storm.

 

[iolo]

... I'm afraid we must endure moths of chaos ...

There's nothing worse than moths of chaos. They flap their wings in Brazil, and a week later the United Kingdom is blown apart in a freak storm.

I dunno - mild dyslexia is probably more of a pain in the posterior! I had to pay somebody to go over my thesis for this sort of thing before they'd let it through, though it was otherwise fine!

 

[whichphilosophy]

There's nothing worse than moths of chaos. They flap their wings in Brazil, and a week later the United Kingdom is blown apart in a freak storm.

I dunno - mild dyslexia is probably more of a pain in the posterior! I had to pay somebody to go over my thesis for this sort of thing before they'd let it through, though it was otherwise fine!

I think it was a case of giving a different illustration to, 'When the US sneezes the world catches a cold." This relates to Finance There are lots of different species there, but I think their wings are not large enough to cause a freak storm a few thousand miles away.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Legal challenge to BREXIT but nothing has even started yet for this process.
Effectively it means that MPs could possibly vote against a people's choice as given in a referendum

There is a possibility that this could backfire on the Stay campaign for suing against a popular vote.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/legal-challenge-launched-to-stop-brexit-133260

 

[DrZoidberg]

I think the Brits have changed their minds. I think they'll start worrying they'll lose their Polish and Romanian cleaners. Scotland will threaten to leave the union.

Let's hope populism has died a bit now.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I think the Brits have changed their minds. I think they'll start worrying they'll lose their Polish and Romanian cleaners. Scotland will threaten to leave the union.

Let's hope populism has died a bit now.

The work gets done even if there is no imported labour. Hotels need to keep open and offices need to keep clean. However there will be a need for some immigrant workers in the UK but generally from specialist fields. The only problem would be Tory Euro-grovel government. Whether it backslides and obstructs the leave process, or it bumbles along in its characteristic gross ineptitude, (and there wouldn't be a noticeable difference either way) this could backfire if a government went against the leave vote by voting against it for instance.

Either way all the parties with seats will accept asylum seekers but less so for economic migrants.

 

[bilby]

The new PM (probably May) will set out a plan for Brexit that has no hope of being popular, and will call a referendum on the plan, which will fail. And that will be the end of Brexit. Because the people will have spoken (and contradicted each other).

You probably didn't read it here first - it's so obvious that it's almost painful to see the effort that is going into not setting this strategy out explicitly.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I think the Brits have changed their minds. I think they'll start worrying they'll lose their Polish and Romanian cleaners. Scotland will threaten to leave the union.

Let's hope populism has died a bit now.

The work gets done even if there is no imported labour. Hotels need to keep open and offices need to keep clean. However there will be a need for some immigrant workers in the UK but generally from specialist fields. The only problem would be Tory Euro-grovel government. Whether it backslides and obstructs the leave process, or it bumbles along in its characteristic gross ineptitude, (and there wouldn't be a noticeable difference either way) this could backfire if a government went against the leave vote by voting against it for instance.

Either way all the parties with seats will accept asylum seekers but less so for economic migrants.

They just need to pay more. And nobody likes paying more. Lol "Euro-grovel". How's that for a loaded term?

 

[whichphilosophy]

The work gets done even if there is no imported labour. Hotels need to keep open and offices need to keep clean. However there will be a need for some immigrant workers in the UK but generally from specialist fields. The only problem would be Tory Euro-grovel government. Whether it backslides and obstructs the leave process, or it bumbles along in its characteristic gross ineptitude, (and there wouldn't be a noticeable difference either way) this could backfire if a government went against the leave vote by voting against it for instance.

Either way all the parties with seats will accept asylum seekers but less so for economic migrants.

They just need to pay more. And nobody likes paying more. Lol "Euro-grovel". How's that for a loaded term?

The other one is a Euro or Brussels-lick spittal

 

[iolo]

I think the Brits have changed their minds. I think they'll start worrying they'll lose their Polish and Romanian cleaners. Scotland will threaten to leave the union.

Let's hope populism has died a bit now.

The work gets done even if there is no imported labour. Hotels need to keep open and offices need to keep clean. However there will be a need for some immigrant workers in the UK but generally from specialist fields. The only problem would be Tory Euro-grovel government. Whether it backslides and obstructs the leave process, or it bumbles along in its characteristic gross ineptitude, (and there wouldn't be a noticeable difference either way) this could backfire if a government went against the leave vote by voting against it for instance.

Either way all the parties with seats will accept asylum seekers but less so for economic migrants.

No - farms can grow something else, keep animals or sell up to property developers. The supermarkets have them by the throat and care only for their own short-term profits. The point is that the Brexit liars promised incompatible things, and you can't have incompatible things, so the best bet is to make the scoundrels do the negotiating, after the mugs have experienced a few months of chaos, since otherwise they will just tell more lies about 'Project Fear'.