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What is a Social Justice Warrior?

Here is the Urban Dictionary definition that does a better job of describing what people don't like about Social Justice Warrior.

[P]"A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return."[/P]

I underlined the key aspect. It is people who rush to be the first to point out (or share) a rumored injustice before giving any reasoned thought to the situation or having enough facts to actually know that an injustice has occurred or what the nature of the injustice is.
People that sincerely care about injustice want to reduce them. This goal is objectively harmed by false positives of "injustice" and inaccurate assessments of what the nature and real cause of it is. Since avoiding false positives and inaccurate understanding of injustice is only possible via careful evidence gathering and reasoning about and event, those who act (which includes expressing outrage) before they plausibly had the time and available evidence to make these determinations must not care sincerely about reducing real injustice. They are SWJs. The label works as irony. People that care about injustice generally don't try so irresponsibly hard to show you how much they care about injustice. They essentially are labeling themselves. That is their ulterior motive. This irony of the term is so transparent that Nexus is quite right that anyone implying that anyone using the term pejoratively must be against actual social justice is being dishonest.

Basically, an SJW is someone that abuses the cause of fighting for justice as a game of one-upmanship. Much like the person that seeks to show their superiority by being the first to adopt a commercial trend, the SJW seeks to be first to adopt a new outrage. Also, you get double the points if you not only protest a presumed instance of something that would be a legit "injustice" if it had occurred, but also promote the idea that everyday interactions that are not injustices should be classified as injustices (as is the case with much of what falls under cultural appropriations and micro-aggressions).

Obviously, conservatives are going to latch onto the term and abuse it discount any and all claims of injustice. But, as with "politically-correct", that doesn't mean the term does not refer to a real and problematic tendency among many on the left who do more to distract from actual injustice and to fuel the conservative base than to promote justice or fight bigotry.
Again, the problem is not that there are not people like that. The problem is the mistaken belief that
1) one can instantaneously discern what someone actually believes, and
2) this type of person is restricted to one end of the political spectrum.

When people are declaring outrage over incidents before they could plausibly know the relevant facts, then it is reasonable to infer that most of them fall into this SJW category. When people go to lengths to ignore obvious but less outrage-inducing explanations for events, it is reasonable to infer that most of them fall into this SJW category.

Also, they are mostly on the left, because people on the right do not support social justice even in theory, so they wouldn't seek to promote their righteousness via manufacturing injustices to others that they are outraged about. People on the right obviously invent injustices, but they are always about their own group, so they aren't doing it for the righteously glory but for more directly self-serving advantages. They often use the "injustice" card as a way to defend their own ability to commit injustices, for example by saying that restrictions the limit their own ability to use government to attack homosexuals is an attack on Christianity. It is a different form of abusing concerns for "justice" to which the term social justice warrior doesn't apply. Also, it is more tired and worn and not gaining harmful social traction that masks real injustices, unlike what leftist SJWs are doing.
 
When people are declaring outrage over incidents before they could plausibly know the relevant facts, then it is reasonable to infer that most of them fall into this SJW category.
Not according to the definition you cited. A SJW only cares about Likes and Rep. People can easily go over the top about a particular incident and care about the underlying cause. They are just allowing themselves to be easily excitable.
 
" Social Justice Warrior", commonly abbreviated as "SJW", is a pejorative term for a person expressing or promoting socially progressive views, particularly relating to social liberalism, political correctness or feminism.[1][2] The accusation of being an SJW implies that a person is engaging in disingenuous social justice arguments or activism to raise their personal reputation.[3] In internet and video game culture the phrase is broadly associated with the Gamergate controversy and wider culture war fallout, including the 2015 Sad Puppies campaign that affected the Hugo Awards

Or so sayeth the Wiki.

How do you spot a SJW?
How can you know the sincerity of an accused SJW?
Is social justice without the warrior part a bad thing? Is social injustice a good thing?
Were the social reformers of the past SJW?
Are gun rights advocates, pro-life demonstrators, county clerks who refuse to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, corporations who won't carry insurence that covers birth control all SJW? Can they be?

If you oppose SJWs, does the make you a social INJUSTICE warrior? Is that why the initials are used and not the words?

It's turned into a pejorative term because of the behavior of many of the SJWs.

It's not that we are opposed to justice, it's that we believe many of the SJWs are not actually on the side of justice.

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While I've seen SJW used mainly to describe what would be liberal crusaders, I think it would be fair for it to apply to extreme right wing social activists, like Kim Davis.

Kim Davis is about protecting her group, not about protecting everyone. Thus I would not call Kim Davis a SJW, although she's not too far from them.
 
I just though I'd drop a load on this thread.

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Again, the problem is not that there are not people like that. The problem is the mistaken belief that
1) one can instantaneously discern what someone actually believes, and
2) this type of person is restricted to one end of the political spectrum.

When people are declaring outrage over incidents before they could plausibly know the relevant facts, then it is reasonable to infer that most of them fall into this SJW category. When people go to lengths to ignore obvious but less outrage-inducing explanations for events, it is reasonable to infer that most of them fall into this SJW category.
I disagree. Some people are simply excitable but sincere. And some people are simply hard-headed but sincere.
Also, they are mostly on the left, because people on the right do not support social justice even in theory, so they wouldn't seek to promote their righteousness via manufacturing injustices to others that they are outraged about. ...
People on the right do support social justice - they just have a different view what it means.
 
It's just the same stupid "politically correct" argument.

People started to figure out the underhanded rhetorical tactic behind the politically correct arguments, so they changed the phrase "politically correct" to "social justice warrior" and voi la! Average people are too stupid to notice that it's driven by the same logical fallacies and they can once again claim that bigots are the good guys and anyone who complains about bigotry is a bad person who is unfairly attacking bigots.



It's just the same old tune with a slight re-wording. It's nothing more than a red herring/tu quoque fallacy used to defend bigotry.
 
It's turned into a pejorative term because of the behavior of many of the SJWs.
No. Wrong. Try again or better yet, try answering the actually questions asked.
It's not that we are opposed to justice, it's that we believe many of the SJWs are not actually on the side of justice.
If you would explain who these people are, oh, and why the use of this particular term, it would be greatly appreciated.
 
These buzzwords are merely ways to not have to listen to the speaker.

Or consider their message.

They serve no other purpose.
 
Has no one looked at the Progressive Stack video I posted? That is what I would say is approaching real SJWs that are not straw men used by conservatives. You will see with your own eyes how these wackos operate.



How fucking "INTP" are some of the poster here at TFT? Trying to systematize everything without taking in NEW information.
 
I understand the term 'social justice warrior' to refer to people who publish obnoxious attention-seeking blogs, videos, tweets etc. about popular liberal movements such as third-wave feminism. They are transparently motived by personal gain. Their arguments are extraordinarily poor, and often fail to develop beyond bald assertions. By broadcasting their hate mail, which they are guaranteed to receive, they also show their supporters that they are in danger, just like a warrior. Calling them warriors is mocking the image they are trying to create for themselves.

They are a completely different group of people than the scientists who study social problems and search for solutions and the political agents who thanklessly and selflessly pour their time and energy into actualising those solutions.

It didn't occur to me that some people out there might actually use the term 'social justice warrior' without irony.
 
I understand the term 'social justice warrior' to refer to people who publish obnoxious attention-seeking blogs, videos, tweets etc. about popular liberal movements such as third-wave feminism. They are transparently motived by personal gain. Their arguments are extraordinarily poor, and often fail to develop beyond bald assertions. By broadcasting their hate mail, which they are guaranteed to receive, they also show their supporters that they are in danger, just like a warrior. Calling them warriors is mocking the image they are trying to create for themselves.

They are a completely different group of people than the scientists who study social problems and search for solutions and the political agents who thanklessly and selflessly pour their time and energy into actualising those solutions.

It didn't occur to me that some people out there might actually use the term 'social justice warrior' without irony.
I think some are thinking it means 'social justice whiner'.
 
I understand the term 'social justice warrior' to refer to people who publish obnoxious attention-seeking blogs, videos, tweets etc. about popular liberal movements such as third-wave feminism. They are transparently motived by personal gain. Their arguments are extraordinarily poor, and often fail to develop beyond bald assertions. By broadcasting their hate mail, which they are guaranteed to receive, they also show their supporters that they are in danger, just like a warrior. Calling them warriors is mocking the image they are trying to create for themselves.

They are a completely different group of people than the scientists who study social problems and search for solutions and the political agents who thanklessly and selflessly pour their time and energy into actualising those solutions.

It didn't occur to me that some people out there might actually use the term 'social justice warrior' without irony.

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Has no one looked at the Progressive Stack video I posted? That is what I would say is approaching real SJWs that are not straw men used by conservatives. You will see with your own eyes how these wackos operate.

Looks like reasonable people trying to figure out methods to bring as many different opinions out as possible. A bit goofy and it is directed not spontaneous.
 
I understand the term 'social justice warrior' to refer to people who publish obnoxious attention-seeking blogs, videos, tweets etc. about popular liberal movements such as third-wave feminism. They are transparently motived by personal gain. Their arguments are extraordinarily poor, and often fail to develop beyond bald assertions. By broadcasting their hate mail, which they are guaranteed to receive, they also show their supporters that they are in danger, just like a warrior. Calling them warriors is mocking the image they are trying to create for themselves.

They are a completely different group of people than the scientists who study social problems and search for solutions and the political agents who thanklessly and selflessly pour their time and energy into actualising those solutions.

It didn't occur to me that some people out there might actually use the term 'social justice warrior' without irony.

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He's not joking. When we say "social justice warrior" we're not talking about good people with legitimate concerns like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. We're talking about those people who are essentially "professional" victims, or "professionally" offended over petty shit.

The term is intended as mockery, not to equate them with people who are trying to address actual injustices.

About 4:45 into the video would be an example; yeah it's anita again.
 
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He's not joking. When we say "social justice warrior" we're not talking about good people with legitimate concerns like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. We're talking about those people who are essentially "professional" victims, or "professionally" offended over petty shit.
But aren't these two different things? ronburgandy's post offers a definition for SJW and in that definition it indicates the first portion of your statement, "professional" victims. People that are raising all sorts of Internet hell for the sake of attention, not because they feel any sort of way about a social issue.

Then you have people that actually offended, but over trival (or what others think is trivial) things. Right now, that second group appears to be getting lumped into SJW, but it doesn't seem as if SJW is the right label for them.
 
The term is intended as mockery, not to equate them with people who are trying to address actual injustices.

I also thought this an obviously ironic term.

Both SJW and "Political Correct" have real legit meanings with real legit cases. Both are taken too far by some conservatives, and so both are dismissed by some liberals as masks for conservative hate speech, etc. Perhaps Americans are too blinded by extreme political polarization to see this?
 
He's not joking. When we say "social justice warrior" we're not talking about good people with legitimate concerns like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. We're talking about those people who are essentially "professional" victims, or "professionally" offended over petty shit.
But aren't these two different things? ronburgandy's post offers a definition for SJW and in that definition it indicates the first portion of your statement, "professional" victims. People that are raising all sorts of Internet hell for the sake of attention, not because they feel any sort of way about a social issue.

Then you have people that actually offended, but over trival (or what others think is trivial) things. Right now, that second group appears to be getting lumped into SJW, but it doesn't seem as if SJW is the right label for them.
Perhaps the right label is crybabies.
 
But aren't these two different things? ronburgandy's post offers a definition for SJW and in that definition it indicates the first portion of your statement, "professional" victims. People that are raising all sorts of Internet hell for the sake of attention, not because they feel any sort of way about a social issue.

Then you have people that actually offended, but over trival (or what others think is trivial) things. Right now, that second group appears to be getting lumped into SJW, but it doesn't seem as if SJW is the right label for them.
Perhaps the right label is crybabies.

Exactly, SJW is just an extra level of mockery for those people to whom we're applying it.
 
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