Reports of at Least 20 Victims Amid Active Shooting Incident in San Bernardino

[Jimmy Higgins]

They aren't unemployed because they aren't employable. They are in a refugee camp, which aren't exactly the best places to look for work. These people had jobs and don't have jobs now because they were displaced from their homes and living in camps.

No, I meant most are unemployable because they don't speak the language. That right there is a massive barrier to any job unless they like picking crops.

They don't? Who is they? The migrants I've worked with from the Middle East over the years all spoke very good English.

 

[KeepTalking]

Investigators believe the couple had a familiarity with weapons and military-style tactics.

Well, on the bright side, it's always nice when couples can find activities they enjoy doing together.

The family that slays together, stays together (at least until the cops catch up with them).

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Yes, workplace violence explains it. In his spare time he was a radicalized muslim with a bomb factory in his house and international terrorist connections but what really motivated him to grab the wife, drop the kid off at grandma's and murder a bunch of people was he couldn't get the right cover on his TPS reports.

Well, it's not just the TPS reports. That bitch Jenny from Accounting also totally ate his yogurt. I mean, FFS, even if there's not a name on it, she damn well knew that she hadn't brought in a yogurt, so it had to belong to someone else.

Fuck you, Jenny.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A federal law enforcement source told The Times that although investigators have yet to establish a clear motive in the shooting, they are leaning toward a possible “combination of terrorism and workplace” motivation.

“We’re very involved in terms of trying to see if the motive was something inspired by a terrorist organization or directed by a terrorist organization, or whether [Syed Farook] was self-radicalized,” the source, who requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, said.

Police recovered additional firearms and explosive materials in the couple's rented Redlands home. Investigators believe the couple had a familiarity with weapons and military-style tactics.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html

What is crazy is they had a six month old infant. Almost a convergence of terrorism/workplace violence/suicide pact.

 

[ronburgundy]

No, I meant most are unemployable because they don't speak the language. That right there is a massive barrier to any job unless they like picking crops.

And it also makes them indistinguishable from countless thousands of other immigrants with the same barrier who come in, learn the language and end up prospering.

"Prosper" is a bit of a stretch, but regardless, how quickly immigrants will learn the new language enough to "prosper" will be impacted heavily by the overlap in the languages. Spanish speaking immigrants to the US are only having to learn a language with the same alphabet, where most words have the same roots, and where a sizable % of the people in their new country have at least some familiarity with their native language. None of those are true of Arabic speaking immigrants who not only have a different alphabet and different word roots, but the language is written and read in the opposite direction (right to left).

I'm not offering this in support of credoconsolans main thesis, just pointing out that adult immigrants with latin-based native languages can pick up on English and communicate with Americans a whole lot easier than immigrants who only know Arabic.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

And it also makes them indistinguishable from countless thousands of other immigrants with the same barrier who come in, learn the language and end up prospering.

"Prosper" is a bit of a stretch, but regardless, how quickly immigrants will learn the new language enough to "prosper" will be impacted heavily by the overlap in the languages. Spanish speaking immigrants to the US are only having to learn a language with the same alphabet, where most words have the same roots, and where a sizable % of the people in their new country have at least some familiarity with their native language. None of those are true of Arabic speaking immigrants who not only have a different alphabet and different word roots, but the language is written and read in the opposite direction (right to left).

I'm not offering this in support of credoconsolans main thesis, just pointing out that adult immigrants with latin-based native languages can pick up on English and communicate with Americans a whole lot easier than immigrants who only know Arabic.

And you can back this up by showing how asian and middle eastern immigrants are less successful than european immigrants, correct?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html

What is crazy is they had a six month old infant. Almost a convergence of terrorism/workplace violence/suicide pact.

I think the plan for this was that of terrorism. Here is why: they had military gear, many pipe bombs in the home, and they brought with them a remote controlled car with a triple pipe bomb rolled into 1.

What I think happened is that something went wrong or differently than the longer term plan which had them do a shoot em up style reaction instead. Examples of possibilities: (1) got extremely angry at party so initiated the plan too soon and used guns to attack the targets instead of bombs; (2) brought the remote car to bomb the whole place but it failed to initiate; (3) suspected that they had been tracked down by agents and so had to hurry and do something; or (4) they were going to use the remote car next and then flee to the house; the pipe bombs were for throwing at police cars giving chase but the police dept was actually doing a drill nearby which completely reduced their plans.

 

[Nexus]

Almost a convergence of terrorism/workplace violence/suicide pact.

But nothing to do with Islam right?

 

[crazyfingers]

What is crazy is they had a six month old infant. Almost a convergence of terrorism/workplace violence/suicide pact.

I think the plan for this was that of terrorism. Here is why: they had military gear, many pipe bombs in the home, and they brought with them a remote controlled car with a triple pipe bomb rolled into 1.

What I think happened is that something went wrong or differently than the longer term plan which had them do a shoot em up style reaction instead. Examples of possibilities: (1) got extremely angry at party so initiated the plan too soon and used guns to attack the targets instead of bombs; (2) brought the remote car to bomb the whole place but it failed to initiate; (3) suspected that they had been tracked down by agents and so had to hurry and do something; or (4) they were going to use the remote car next and then flee to the house; the pipe bombs were for throwing at police cars giving chase but the police dept was actually doing a drill nearby which completely reduced their plans.

In other words, the guy went Postal before he and his female partner could pull off the official terrorist attack.

 

[Derec]

Almost a convergence of terrorism/workplace violence/suicide pact.

But nothing to do with Islam right?

It's the religion of peace after all ...

 

[jonatha]

What is crazy is they had a six month old infant.

Donald Trump has called for families of terrorists to be killed.

I cannot think of a better way to show the utter imbecility of this policy than at the next GOP debate to present him with the infant and a meat cleaver...

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What is crazy is they had a six month old infant.

Donald Trump has called for families of terrorists to be killed.

I cannot think of a better way to show the utter imbecility of this policy than at the next GOP debate to present him with the infant and a meat cleaver...

ETA - Interesting. The "Post Quick Reply" button spun for much longer than usual, the result being a duplicate post....

 

[Rhea]

This remains a very weird case. There are a lot of questions that, until answered, make it impossible to conclude anything.

It looks a lot like (religious)(foreign-radicalized) terrorism, what with the stockpiled weapons, the devout religion and the foreign trip.


And yet, why stockpile all those weapons if you're going out and doing a public terror-plus-death-by-cop with only a small fraction of your arsenal. You know? Why have a hundred guns if the job only requires 4? So it seems like much more was originally considered.

And the six month old baby. Why have a baby if you're planning to go out in a blaze of glory? I suppose there are reasons for this one.

And if that picture is accurate; a fundy devout muslim whose wife goes bare-headed? Um? Cover, maybe. (Ironically)



So it remains pretty weird to me. And even though it looks a lot like (religious)(foreign-radicalized) terrorism, it is still a poster child for gun control. They got all the weapons legally. We are idiots, arming our own enemies.

 

[crazyfingers]

Almost a convergence of terrorism/workplace violence/suicide pact.

But nothing to do with Islam right?

There are radicalized Muslims who pull off terrorists attacks, as this appears be associated with, though the guy may have gone postal first. There are radicalized Christian white supremacists who shoot up black churches. There are radicalized Christian anti-choicers who firebomb, shot up and terrorize organizations related to abortion. There are radicalized Christian anti-gay bigots who so far as I know have not yet committed mass murder but who are calling for the summary execution of gays.

The common thread is radicalized and religion. combined with a culture that appears to worship being armed to the teeth with the tools of mass murder. (AK-47's and such).

 

[George S]

The people who believe there is a "War on Christmas" should be happy. This is what a real "War" on Christians (and other non-Muslims) looks like.
I love the fact that the Daily News reported "GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS" regardless of all politicians' prayers. Perhaps it is because prayer is literally wishful thinking.

Prayer is seeking comfort. Nothing more.

Prayer is wishful thinking. Literally.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

As the story unfolds, it certainly has changed from one more mundane tale of some crazy American shooting people for some stupid reason into an interesting and engaging story where I'm curious to know what's going on.

 

[ImGod]

Shooting war on christmas?

Hope our party goes better.

 

[laughing dog]

Almost a convergence of terrorism/workplace violence/suicide pact.

But nothing to do with Islam right?

It is literally to early to tell one way or the other. Any particular reason you are ready to jump to a conclusion?

 

[prideandfall]

And yet, why stockpile all those weapons if you're going out and doing a public terror-plus-death-by-cop with only a small fraction of your arsenal. You know? Why have a hundred guns if the job only requires 4? So it seems like much more was originally considered.

why have 9 cars when you can only drive one? why buy the new iphone the day it comes out if your old phone works just fine? why own a desktop PC, a laptop, a tablet, a smart phone, and a kindle in a one bedroom apartment?
because americans are fucking idiots and horde endless piles of consumerist crap if it makes them feel special and/or virile.

And the six month old baby. Why have a baby if you're planning to go out in a blaze of glory? I suppose there are reasons for this one.

because "find a hole, preferably moist, insert, thrust, repeat until O face" is a biological process well beyond the intellectual mind, and people are generally idiots that lack the capacity to A. stop a pregnancy before it starts, or B. end it before it gets too far.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

But nothing to do with Islam right?

It is literally to early to tell one way or the other. Any particular reason you are ready to jump to a conclusion?

The same reason that it was reasonable to conclude that the Planned Parenthood guy would have been into some freaky Christian and anti-Obama crap. The obvious conclusion is generally the correct one.

When a middle-aged white guy shoots up an abortion clinic, it's possible that there's a second reason but that one statement gives you enough information to form an initial conclusion which you can be reasonably confident in.

When a Muslim guy and his wife get together with a bunch of guns and bombs to kill people, it's possible that there's a second reason, but that one statement gives you enough information to form an initial conclusion which you can be reasonably confident in.

 

[Nexus]

But nothing to do with Islam right?

It is literally to early to tell one way or the other. Any particular reason you are ready to jump to a conclusion?

Well I'm not an Islamophile so it's not difficult for me to accept that Muslims can do bad things in the name of Islam. Here are some of the reasons: a friend Chaz Harrison said he was a very passionate Muslim and didn't want to be in the US, Farook recently visited Saudi Arabia, and he murdered 14 people with a preplanned tactical assault with pipe bombs etc.