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Europe - The Barbarian Invasion has Begun.

Have you thought of the possibility that providing infrastructure for 1,000 people simply makes more sense than for 100 irrespective of anyone's ethnicity?

You mean the hamlet didn't need a lit street or jobs till it benefited the refugees?

Ya...right.

Yes, a hamlet of 100 inhabitants needs street lighting less urgently than a small town of 1000 - whoever the inhabitants are.

100 people create less demand for a shop than 1,000 - as long as the additional 900 have a monthly budget of more than € 0, and whoever they are.

Where did you leave your common sense?

As for jobs: asylum seekers whose claims are still being processed are not allowed to work at all for the first three months, and only on condition that no German citizen (or indeed EU citizen) willing and able to fill the vacancy for the first fifteen months. So your babbling about jobs being created for the refugees is totally incoherent.
 
We were discussing the natural fears of the German residents and citizenry, not whether or not they believe the promises made.

I thought we were discussing the "final solution" to all these barbarian hordes and whether the Germans should be stocking up on Zyklon-B again.

:rolleyes:
 
The facility is used for housing asylum applicants while their applications are being processed. If and when they're accepted, they're transferred elsewhere.

I do believe that your English language source said as much and you just failed at reading comprehension. If it omitted that crucial detail, and apologize and herewith inform you that it quite clearly says so in the German press.

We were discussing the natural fears of the German residents and citizenry, not whether or not they believe the promises made.

No, we are discussing, as per your OP, whether Europe is being "invaded". When you realised that you couldn't convince folks this is so, you went "well, at least Sumte is being invaded".
 
We were discussing the natural fears of the German residents and citizenry, not whether or not they believe the promises made.

I thought we were discussing the "final solution" to all these barbarian hordes and whether the Germans should be stocking up on Zyklon-B again.

:rolleyes:

Silly Ford, everyone knows Zyklon-B can't kill anyone.
 
I'm confused, are the Germans a tribe of uncivilized mongrels or a proud civilization at the mercy of uncivilized mongrels? Because if they changed from the former to the latter, that would imply that large groups of people are not defined by their genetic stock or culture of origin, and can adapt over time. That can't be true, right?

You are absolutely right. In fact, Tacitus considered Germanic tribes to be the worst humanity had to offer. He much prefered the African peoples who so wilfully adopted Roman customs. Oh the irony...
 
We were discussing the natural fears of the German residents and citizenry, not whether or not they believe the promises made.

It's natural to fear spiders. It's generally irrational, as most spiders are harmless, and many are beneficial. Should we attempt to eradicate all spiders, to appease the arachnophobia; or should we try to dissuade people from arachnophobia, and provide treatment for those who cannot be cured?

The problems you describe are not caused by immigrants; they are caused by xenophobes.
 
What if the immigrants bring their pet spiders with them and those spiders are poisonous?
 
Lots'a shots. No hits. Better analogy would be Childrens' Crusade in 1212.

You mean the widely regarded as fictional Children's Crusade of 1212?

Doesn't take much of a buff to dispel that in 1212 two movements lead by young ones, thought to be inspired, led large groups of people, most of whom died, trying to get to the Holy Land to convert Muslims to Christianity.  Children's Crusade subhead: modern accounts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Crusade#Modern_accounts

Whoopsie.

My point was and is that those leaving the ME are more like these events (unarmed without a clue) than they are any invasion of armed bands of barbarians from the ME (asia).

The tortured discussion so far hasn't supported any apocalyptic theory.

Whether or not western European mankind is basically racist willing to destroy modernity to preserve purity or faith hasn't been supported either.

How about moving this thread bad fiction?
 
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The late Empire was so ghastly that 'Barbarian' invasion would have been a liberation for the great majority in the West. Paying vast taxes for an Army that scarcely bothered with the likes of you, and being legally forced to follow your father's form of employment must have been pure hell. No wonder we kicked the Roman bureaucrats out in 410, even if it meant the East's falling under the control of treacherous German mercenary thugs. They almost certainly cost hugely less than the 'Ronman-British' landowners, and if you must have vermin living off you, the less they eat the better.

Could this be why there is currently a dispute about if there was actually an Anglo Saxon "invasion" of England rather than a "settlement in" post Roman Briton?

I don't think there's any dispute. The mercenaries' ships worked by oars, not sails, so mass movement didn't happen: they were troop ships that took months to reach the eastern provinces of Britannia. Current estimates of German numbers go as low as 10,000. In a disarmed colony of abour five million it seems - very slowly - to have been enough.
 
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You mean the widely regarded as fictional Children's Crusade of 1212?

Doesn't take much of a buff to dispel that in 1212 two movements lead by young ones, thought to be inspired, led large groups of people, most of whom died, trying to get to the Holy Land to convert Muslims to Christianity.  Children's Crusade subhead: modern accounts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Crusade#Modern_accounts

Whoopsie.

Right. Which makes the *children's crusade* itself a fiction, does it not?


My point was and is that those leaving the ME are more like these events (unarmed without a clue) than they are any invasion of armed bands of barbarians from the ME (asia).

The analogy falls flat not just because the Children's Crusade is a fiction, but because while these people are indeed no armed barbarians coming to invade us... they also aren't coming to Europe with the intent of converting us, like the doomed children and poor hoped to convert the muslims. They're just unfortunates with unrealistic expectations; best not draw any comparisons to 'crusades', however well intentioned, lest we embolden the idiots even further with their modern crusades/jihad nonense.
 
They're just unfortunates with unrealistic expectations; best not draw any comparisons to 'crusades', however well intentioned, lest we embolden the idiots even further with their modern crusades/jihad nonense.

They're not "unfortunates". We use that expression about people who are down on their luck in an otherwise functioning society. These are people who would have everything going for them if it wasn't a war going on. Syrias unfortunates of course can't get fucking anywhere, but are stuck in Syria. You need funds to get out. Something that unfortunates don't have.
 
They're not "unfortunates". We use that expression about people who are down on their luck in an otherwise functioning society.

What? No we don't. We use that expression to describe people who are, you know... unfortunate.

These are people who would have everything going for them if it wasn't a war going on.

Which is *unfortunate*
 
Still in denial, are we? More "good news" from The Washington Post:

LONDON — The European Union predicted Thursday that up to 3 million additional asylum seekers could enter the 28-member bloc by the end of next year, suggesting the staggering pace of new arrivals in recent months shows no sign of abating.

The forecast, buried in a 204-page report on the future of the European economy, will add to an already burning debate in Europe about whether the continent can handle the influx, which has broken all modern records.

So far this year, more than 760,000 people have entered the continent seeking refuge or jobs, according to the U.N.’s refugee agency. The new arrivals have badly strained government resources in countries all along the trail, which leads from the Mediterranean Sea in the south to richer nations in Europe’s north.

One of the more affluent countries, Sweden, said Thursday that it would apply for emergency E.U. aid, an admission that it is failing to cope. Sweden, which has taken the largest per capita share of refugees of any E.U. country, is expecting 190,000 asylum seekers this year — double its previous record.

“The major problem today is that the number of asylum seekers is growing faster than we can arrange for accommodation,” Morgan Johansson, the minister for justice and migration, told reporters. “Sweden can no longer guarantee accommodation to everyone who comes. Those who are arriving could be met with the news that there isn’t anywhere to stay.”

The Swedish Migration Agency said it would house 50 migrants in its headquarters, having run out of space in hotels, apartment buildings, tents, old army barracks and converted prisons.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-world:homepage/card

Old time slang says it all: "Brother, you asked for it".
 
Those 3 million are going to overwhelm the 503 million people who live in the EU?
 
Still in denial, are we? More "good news" from The Washington Post:

LONDON — The European Union predicted Thursday that up to 3 million additional asylum seekers could enter the 28-member bloc by the end of next year, suggesting the staggering pace of new arrivals in recent months shows no sign of abating.

The forecast, buried in a 204-page report on the future of the European economy, will add to an already burning debate in Europe about whether the continent can handle the influx, which has broken all modern records.

So far this year, more than 760,000 people have entered the continent seeking refuge or jobs, according to the U.N.’s refugee agency. The new arrivals have badly strained government resources in countries all along the trail, which leads from the Mediterranean Sea in the south to richer nations in Europe’s north.

One of the more affluent countries, Sweden, said Thursday that it would apply for emergency E.U. aid, an admission that it is failing to cope. Sweden, which has taken the largest per capita share of refugees of any E.U. country, is expecting 190,000 asylum seekers this year — double its previous record.

“The major problem today is that the number of asylum seekers is growing faster than we can arrange for accommodation,” Morgan Johansson, the minister for justice and migration, told reporters. “Sweden can no longer guarantee accommodation to everyone who comes. Those who are arriving could be met with the news that there isn’t anywhere to stay.”

The Swedish Migration Agency said it would house 50 migrants in its headquarters, having run out of space in hotels, apartment buildings, tents, old army barracks and converted prisons.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-world:homepage/card

Old time slang says it all: "Brother, you asked for it".

Still no evidence of an invasian, barbarian or otherwise.
 
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