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ICE murders another American.

The Democrats lost in 2024 because of inflation, not immigration. Most American's lives are not negatively impacted by undocumented people in this country.
It was multiple things. Yes, it was inflation. But it was also illegal immigration. It was also Kamala Harris running a poor campaign.
The obsession with undocumented immigrants is so damn unhealthy.
No, what is unhealthy is the support so many on the Left have with illegal migration. Look at that Spain thread. Pood was positively giddy at the prospect of Muslims taking over Spain!
When one gets worried over migration issues in countries across the ocean... it is an unhealthy obsession.
Covid-19 killed 1+ million Americans. cancers kill over 600,000 annually. Access to health care is very difficult in rural areas with notable delays.
What does that have to do with illegals from El Salvador and similar places crossing the border illegally by the 100,000s?
The point is that people are struggling in real life, from real problems. Again, your own life, likely not negatively impacted by either undocumented immigration or documented immigration. Hundreds, thousands today might get cancer diagnoses... and while their reaction will vary, I'm willing to bet not a single one of them is going to remotely think about migration policies in America.
Housing is getting harder and more expensive to access.
Do you think housing is easier or harder to access when there are 100,000s of illegal people coming into the US, thus increasing demand for housing?
Whether the immigrants are documented or undocumented could impact access to housing, in some areas where housing is limited. But for goodness sakes, that isn't the reason why mortgages are expensive.
Undocumented workers ain't a problem worth messing one's pants over.
I disagree. But thanks for at least admitting that your Ilk does not want to fix the problem, because you do not see it as a problem at all.
I didn't say it "wasn't a problem at all", but that it wasn't a problem worth shitting your pants over, especially relative to what people have to deal with on a daily basis in their real life.
And I think many on the Left are like Pood, whether they admit it or not. They want western societies to be overwhelmed with mass influx from the Third World.
Well, for an immigrant, you have an old school American hatred for immigration. America has hated immigrants since since the founding of our country. Whether Germans, Italians, Irish, Japanese, Chinese, then Africans and Muslims, they have been distrusted and hated. When my German ancestors immigrated to America, they were hated too, just shy of the Great War too You definitely fit in that way. :)

Funny it seems off to hate German immigrants these days. People the late 19th / early 20th century were pretty certain not liking or trusting the Krauts was the right call.
 
Minneapolis police complained about a lack of communication with law enforcement from ICE.
Communication is a two-way road. Minneapolis is a sanctuary city, meaning that its politicians have decreed that MPD cannot cooperate with ICE.

Minneapolis Police have pushed back against cooperating with ICE on enforcement of federal operations. That’s not the same as saying MPD refuses to respond to crimes committed by citizens that are reported by ICE, which is a separate issue entirely. Do you have any statements from local law enforcement indicating they will refuse to enforce their own laws in cases involving ICE?

Last I checked, MPD has been making arrests.
 
Whether Germans, Italians, Irish, Japanese, Chinese, then Africans and Muslims, they have been distrusted and hated. When my German ancestors immigrated to America, they were hated too, just shy of the Great War too You definitely fit in that way. :)

Funny it seems off to hate German immigrants these days. People the late 19th / early 20th century were pretty certain not liking or trusting the Krauts was the right call.
As the late, great, Tom Lehrer explained in his song MLF Lullaby:

Once all the Germans were warlike, and mean,
But that couldn't happen again,
We taught them a lesson, in 1918,
And they've hardly bothered us since then...
 
And I think many on the Left are like Pood, whether they admit it or not. They want western societies to be overwhelmed with mass influx from the Third World.
Well, for an immigrant, you have an old school American hatred for immigration. America has hated immigrants since since the founding of our country. Whether Germans, Italians, Irish, Japanese, Chinese, then Africans and Muslims, they have been distrusted and hated. When my German ancestors immigrated to America, they were hated too, just shy of the Great War too You definitely fit in that way. :)

Funny it seems off to hate German immigrants these days. People the late 19th / early 20th century were pretty certain not liking or trusting the Krauts was the right call.

I'm not a historian, but I did want to add just a few points. In my view, the US has had a love/hate relationship with immigration. Most elites have loved the labor brought by immigrants. Most bigots have liked immigrants from "the right" kind of country with religion, ethnicity, or race being indicators. The unholy alliance has been bring them into the country, but keep them from upward socio-economic mobility. Slavery, indentured servitude of the Irish, Chinese railroad workers, Eastern European coal miners, under the table immigrants working for businesses seem all to have this thing in common.

As an aside, I noticed recently in the Declaration of Independence this interesting grievance among the many directed at King George:
"He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands." I don't believe they had meant any foreigner at all, such as African foreigners, and were focusing more on English migration for the most part, but not necessarily with respect to naturalization.

Now, again, I could be wrong here, not my expertise, but I'll say it anyway--I've been thinking about it a long time--one of the values of the left is equality and as such it is often about deconstructing, questioning or removing hierarchies. So Derec's vitriolic hyperbole "[t]hey want western societies to be overwhelmed with mass influx from the Third World" can be translated as "they want people seeking asylum to have a fair opportunity and due process to obtain it and following that to have a fair chance to play the game with no preferences based on religion or race."

Finally, I will add that Derec is in a bit of a bind here, not merely for being an immigrant against certain kinds of immigrants, but also the language he uses is often about the capacity to assimilate, i.e. adhere to the culture and laws of the US. BUT we also know that Derec often appeals to Europe when it comes to a certain kind of law that he refuses to follow, even if he took an oath that he would follow US laws, even if one of the main complaints on the Right is about human trafficking and how he could be indirectly participating in it without knowing it. If this were a different kind of person, like, say, a Haitian or South American, we'd be hearing all these kinds of stories about such immigrant involved in such human trafficking, a criminal, who lied on govt forms, very dangerous, should be denaturalized, and sent away to a detention camp before being sent to Greenland to work in rare earth mineral mines.
 
the language he uses is often about the capacity to assimilate, i.e. adhere to the culture and laws of the US.
A capacity to assimilate is not a responsibility that accrues solely to the immigrant. The immigrant’s ability and willingness to assimilate is required and so is the society’s ability to assimilate immigrants. I find Derec emblematic of the institutional racism of the right in his negligence to acknowledge society’s responsibility for a successful assimilation of immigrants.
 
All of this is not evidence of a "domestic terrorist" kicking a taillight, but just how much our institutions have changed as we move into fascism.
It's fascism to not allow angry LWNJs to kick in taillights of law enforcement vehicles.

Stop getting all apoplectic like leftists Derec. It's not like you.
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Damaging a vehicle taillight is vandalism, not evidence of domestic terrorism. Treating every act of anger toward law enforcement as an extremist threat blurs the line between ordinary crime and national security issues. If the concern was property damage or disorderly conduct, he could have been detained and handed over to local authorities (as ICE should have). Escalating it into a terrorism-style narrative feels disproportionate to the alleged conduct.
 
Damaging a vehicle taillight is vandalism, not evidence of domestic terrorism.

True. What I find interesting and revealing about ICE is that when their tail light was kicked out, ICE chose to beat him up and they broke his rib. Then they left. If they actually cared about crime might they have arrested him? But no. They beat him up. It speaks a lot about ICE.
 
Minneapolis police complained about a lack of communication with law enforcement from ICE.
Communication is a two-way road. Minneapolis is a sanctuary city, meaning that its politicians have decreed that MPD cannot cooperate with ICE.

Why should they? Does ICE cooperate with local police? Follow their laws? California just passed a no mask law for law enforcement people. ICE is ignoring it. Fuck them. Local police are busy. They have a community to look after, often understaffed, and they are accountable to the locals in the community where they work. Who is ICE accountable to? It's public information when a person is arrested and put in prison. Why the hell is ICE so lazy that they can't look up this info? What do the want, local police to call them and bake them bon-bons when they come in. Why can't they just use the internet?
 
Minneapolis police complained about a lack of communication with law enforcement from ICE.
Communication is a two-way road. Minneapolis is a sanctuary city, meaning that its politicians have decreed that MPD cannot cooperate with ICE.
The MPD isn't funded to fulfill the wet dreams of Stephen Miller. It has finite resources for holding, detaining, etc... They aren't staffed to do whatever ICE wants them to do. They have actual jobs regarding the policing of the city.

The State of Minnesota certainly worked with ICE regarding convicted undocumented people.
 
Minneapolis police complained about a lack of communication with law enforcement from ICE.
Communication is a two-way road. Minneapolis is a sanctuary city, meaning that its politicians have decreed that MPD cannot cooperate with ICE.
The MPD isn't funded to fulfill the wet dreams of Stephen Miller. It has finite resources for holding, detaining, etc... They aren't staffed to do whatever ICE wants them to do. They have actual jobs regarding the policing of the city.

The State of Minnesota certainly worked with ICE regarding convicted undocumented people.

It’s wild that the Trump administration has people convinced law enforcement just stops enforcing laws because of “blue state derangement,” while at the same time claiming the left are the ones who have little respect for law enforcement agencies. And this is the Minneapolis Police Department we’re talking about, the same department associated with Derek Chauvin. It wasn’t long ago that many on the right were strongly defending them. This is some Eastasia shit. :rolleyes:
 
Minneapolis police complained about a lack of communication with law enforcement from ICE.
Communication is a two-way road. Minneapolis is a sanctuary city, meaning that its politicians have decreed that MPD cannot cooperate with ICE.
You are ill informed. Minneapolis absolutely informs ICE when convicted felon immigrants are released.
the legions of racist homophobic idiots who support that shit
... bear the responsibility.
The rest of us bear the blame.
Why did we raise legions of racist homophobic idiots?
I've thought about it a lot and think I agree with articles I’ve read that one factor is being raised by very authoritarian fathers. It fits well for someone I was friends with for a long time. I knew his parents and his father was… a piece of work, to put it politely. The kind of dad who would run his son down to the girl the son was dating, try to pull her into his lap—with wife and son present and insult the son. Make vague sexual remarks towards the girl. Worse than that I have reason to suspect. But having treated his son like garbage fur years, that magically changed when he learned his son, who was paying his own way through college was basically living on beans. That reversal, suddenly being treated with something like respect by his abusive father, was enough that he re-write their entire history and suddenly his father became someone to be admired and respected.
 
You are ill informed. Minneapolis absolutely informs ICE when convicted felon immigrants are released.

Yeah, from what I understand, the idea that MPD has suddenly gone kumbaya for felons is political spin, not reality. Under Minnesota law and policy, local authorities generally can’t hold someone solely on an ICE detainer, they need a state warrant or other legal basis to continue custody. Because of that, someone can end up being released if ICE doesn’t arrive to take custody. That’s a legal constraint, not the MPD Derec himself once white knighted for suddenly deciding to side with brown folk.
 
Today, the Minnesota Star Tribune reported on the volunteer effort to give detainees released in subzero temperatures adequate clothing and transportation to return to their homes.

Everyday I amazed at the generosity of spirit when I see such efforts and read that no ICE agent had been beaten or killed.
 
You are ill informed. Minneapolis absolutely informs ICE when convicted felon immigrants are released.

Yeah, from what I understand, the idea that MPD has suddenly gone kumbaya for felons is political spin, not reality. Under Minnesota law and policy, local authorities generally can’t hold someone solely on an ICE detainer, they need a state warrant or other legal basis to continue custody. Because of that, someone can end up being released if ICE doesn’t arrive to take custody. That’s a legal constraint, not the MPD Derec himself once white knighted for suddenly deciding to side with brown folk.
The thing about Minnesotans is that they are generally rule followers, not rebels. The bulk of the population originated in Scandinavia , with some German and Polish.
 
You are ill informed. Minneapolis absolutely informs ICE when convicted felon immigrants are released.

Yeah, from what I understand, the idea that MPD has suddenly gone kumbaya for felons is political spin, not reality. Under Minnesota law and policy, local authorities generally can’t hold someone solely on an ICE detainer, they need a state warrant or other legal basis to continue custody. Because of that, someone can end up being released if ICE doesn’t arrive to take custody. That’s a legal constraint, not the MPD Derec himself once white knighted for suddenly deciding to side with brown folk.
The thing about Minnesotans is that they are generally rule followers, not rebels. The bulk of the population originated in Scandinavia , with some German and Polish.

Scandinavian and German heritage communities in Minnesota developed under relatively stable economic and institutional conditions, which historically supported high social trust resulting in low crime. That does not mean ancestry causes rule following but It does show how long term stability effects behavior. Derec, on the other hand, seems to be filtering all of this through his usual hobby horse turned “blue state derangement".
 
You are ill informed. Minneapolis absolutely informs ICE when convicted felon immigrants are released.

Yeah, from what I understand, the idea that MPD has suddenly gone kumbaya for felons is political spin, not reality. Under Minnesota law and policy, local authorities generally can’t hold someone solely on an ICE detainer, they need a state warrant or other legal basis to continue custody. Because of that, someone can end up being released if ICE doesn’t arrive to take custody. That’s a legal constraint, not the MPD Derec himself once white knighted for suddenly deciding to side with brown folk.
The thing about Minnesotans is that they are generally rule followers, not rebels. The bulk of the population originated in Scandinavia , with some German and Polish.

Scandinavian and German heritage communities in Minnesota developed under relatively stable economic and institutional conditions, which historically supported high social trust resulting in low crime. That does not mean ancestry causes rule following but It does show how long term stability effects behavior. Derec, on the other hand, seems to be filtering all of this through his usual hobby horse turned “blue state derangement".
Ah, I did not mean to imply that it was genetic —just a high degree of orderliness and social cooperation.
 
Whether Germans, Italians, Irish, Japanese, Chinese, then Africans and Muslims, they have been distrusted and hated. When my German ancestors immigrated to America, they were hated too, just shy of the Great War too You definitely fit in that way. :)

Funny it seems off to hate German immigrants these days. People the late 19th / early 20th century were pretty certain not liking or trusting the Krauts was the right call.
As the late, great, Tom Lehrer explained in his song MLF Lullaby:

Once all the Germans were warlike, and mean,
Shut up! They were just following orders and ... laws.
 
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