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Actually anyone who is against Christianity.

In the latest outrage of dozens in this administration, the DoJ headed by Pam Bondi has assessed anyone who opposes Christianity or traditional family values and religion as potentially being domestic terrorists. A copy of her memo was recently leaked and it says as follows:

Particularly dangerous are those acts committed by violent extremist groups that threaten both citizens' safety and our country's ability to self-govern. These domestic terrorists use violence or the threat of violence to advance political and social agendas, including opposition to law and immigration enforcement; extreme views in favor of mass migration and open borders; adherence to radical gender ideology, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, or anti-Christianity; support for the overthrow of the United States Government; hostility towards traditional views on family, religion, and morality; and an elevation of violence to achieve policy outcomes, such as political assassinations.[^2] The recent attacks fueled by these agendas and ideological frameworks require a robust response. The JTTFs shall prioritize the investigation of such conduct.

(emphasis added)

The use of semicolons makes it clear to me that these are separate and apart issues from the first part of the sentence which discusses the support and use of violence. If you have anti Christian views, you are a potential terrorist. If you oppose traditional values, whatever the fuck that means, you are a potential terrorist. The memo sets up a hotline for people to call in if they see such behavior. Indeed you can get a monetary reward for doing so.

Footnote 2 does contain an important caveat.
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I suppose that’s something, but I wonder how many people will pay attention to the footnotes. I can see people reporting us to the FBI as terrorists because we are atheists. Maybe there won’t be prosecutions but they’ll have a list of enemies of the state that they can rely on. They may be able to use AI to leverage and fuck with those of us who do not subscribe to traditional family values and religion. I suspect that the real aim is to try and silence those of us who are atheists or just don’t even support Trump. People will self censor if they think they’re being reported to the FBI, and that may be the real goal.

The full memo can be found here.

https://substack-post-media.s3.us-e...anized_Political_Violence.pdf"&x-id=GetObject

Further discussions can found on various websites like here.



I guess it was just a matter of time.
 
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As an atheist and foreigner I am not a domestic terrorist, so I must be a foreign terrorist. Any sensible government would first concentrate on rooting out domestic terrorists (that is, the Republican Party), but of course that can't happen when the terrorists are the government.
 
Recent attacks? Are they using the murder of Kirk as a justification to drop an anvil on people who don't think women should be pregnant servants of man?
 
Still no word from the conservative atheists about this? 🤔
 
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They mean Christianity the right wing nationalist brand. Otherwise they’d have to label dear leader as an anti-Christian terrorist based on the lifestyle he lives and promotes. Andrew Tate is one of their guardian angels.
 
You can be Christian in their brand if you don’t like brown people and want to pay girls for sex.
 
I get an error message on this link.

Alarmingly, this one does not have the footnote.

This one is behind a paywall. Or more accurately, wants me to subscribe before letting me read.

Any there are other sources without those problems?
 
I get an error message on this link.

Alarmingly, this one does not have the footnote.

This one is behind a paywall. Or more accurately, wants me to subscribe before letting me read.

Any there are other sources without those problems?
A quick search online is providing nothing in the way of sources that I would consider immediately reliable. Ken Klippenstein is the source for the memo. He posted it about a week ago, and crickets otherwise. There isn't even much from the pulp left-wing social media sources on it. I hadn't caught the SubStack link in the OP.

So this might be nothing... or it could be completely accurate. It certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility.
 
This is a memorandum, not sure if it is the precise one or if there were a second.

Here is a link to my post:
 
I get an error message on this link.

Alarmingly, this one does not have the footnote.

This one is behind a paywall. Or more accurately, wants me to subscribe before letting me read.

Any there are other sources without those problems?
A quick search online is providing nothing in the way of sources that I would consider immediately reliable. Ken Klippenstein is the source for the memo. He posted it about a week ago, and crickets otherwise. There isn't even much from the pulp left-wing social media sources on it. I hadn't caught the SubStack link in the OP.

So this might be nothing... or it could be completely accurate. It certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility.

It’s on the fucking White House website. It’s signed by Trump himself.
 
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I get an error message on this link.

Alarmingly, this one does not have the footnote.

This one is behind a paywall. Or more accurately, wants me to subscribe before letting me read.

Any there are other sources without those problems?
A quick search online is providing nothing in the way of sources that I would consider immediately reliable. Ken Klippenstein is the source for the memo. He posted it about a week ago, and crickets otherwise. There isn't even much from the pulp left-wing social media sources on it. I hadn't caught the SubStack link in the OP.

So this might be nothing... or it could be completely accurate. It certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility.

It’s on the fucking White House website. It’s signed by Trump himself.
The memo noted in the OP was allegedly leaked 8 or so days ago... not released to the public in late September. There are two documents that are being smushed together here. My question was regarding the leaked memo of which there is virtually no follow through anywhere on the Internet on it.
 
I get an error message on this link.

Alarmingly, this one does not have the footnote.

This one is behind a paywall. Or more accurately, wants me to subscribe before letting me read.

Any there are other sources without those problems?
A quick search online is providing nothing in the way of sources that I would consider immediately reliable. Ken Klippenstein is the source for the memo. He posted it about a week ago, and crickets otherwise. There isn't even much from the pulp left-wing social media sources on it. I hadn't caught the SubStack link in the OP.

So this might be nothing... or it could be completely accurate. It certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility.

It’s on the fucking White House website. It’s signed by Trump himself.
The memo noted in the OP was allegedly leaked 8 or so days ago... not released to the public in late September. There are two documents that are being smushed together here. My question was regarding the leaked memo of which there is virtually no follow through anywhere on the Internet on it.
Here is Klippenstein’s site which has a link to down load the memo. I tried to post that link directly but it doesn’t work.



There are plenty of other links and news sources about it.

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there are plenty of other news articles too. Just google Bondi domestic terrorism memo.
 
Sorry if I confused everyone. Bondi's Dec 4th memo is apparently a follow-up and closely related to the President's September Executive Order (memorandum). I take responsibility for not knowing about the second memo. Here is the memo:

Office of the Attorney General
Washington, D.C. 20530
December 4, 2025

MEMORANDUM FOR ALL FEDERAL PROSECUTORS
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE GRANT-MAKING COMPONENTS

FROM
: THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

SUBJECT: Implementing National Security Presidential Memorandum-7: Countering Domestic
Terrorism and Organized Political Violence[^1]



On September 25, 2025, President Trump issued a National Security Presidential Memorandum
titled Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence (NSPM-7). Therein, citing
recent assassinations, assassination attempts, attacks on law enforcement, and mass
destruction caused by "criminal justice" rioters, President Trump highlighted the grave threats
posed by "sophisticated, organized campaigns of targeted intimidation, radicalization, threats,
and violence designed to silence opposing speech, limit political activity, change or direct policy
outcomes, and prevent the functioning of a democratic society." To combat these growing
threats, President Trump directed the federal government to implement a focused strategy to
root out all culpable participants—including organizers and funders—in all domestic terrorism
activities. This guidance memorandum is designed to further mobilize and advise federal law
enforcement on the investigative priorities outlined by NSPM-7.

1. Defining the domestic terrorism threat

In general terms, domestic terrorism is criminal conduct that occurs primarily inside the territory
of the United States and that involves acts dangerous to human life that appear to be intended
to intimidate a civilian population; influence the policy of government by intimidation or coercion;
or affect the conduct of government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping. 18
U.S.C. § 2331(5); see also 6 U.S.C. § 101(18) (defining terrorism in the context of homeland
security to include acts "potentially destructive of critical infrastructure or key resources"). For
too long, rampant criminal conduct rising to the level of domestic terrorism—e.g., organized
doxing of law enforcement, mass rioting and destruction in our cities, violent efforts to shut down
immigration enforcement, targeting of public officials or other political actors, etc.—has been
tolerated. For some culpable actors, such as certain Antifa-aligned extremists, their animating
principle is adherence to the types of extreme viewpoints on immigration, radical gender
ideology, and anti-American sentiment listed below, with a willingness to use violence against
law-abiding citizenry to serve those beliefs.

Federal law enforcement will prioritize this threat. Where federal crime is encountered, federal
agents will act. And where domestic terrorism is encountered or suspected, law enforcement
agencies shall refer such matters to the Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs) for the exhaustive
investigation contemplated by NSPM-7.

Acts of domestic terrorism are priority matters for federal law enforcement and will be zealously
investigated and prosecuted. Such acts may include organized rioting, looting, doxing, and
swatting; and conspiracies to impede or assault law enforcement, destroy property, or engage in
violent civil disorder. Law enforcement agencies shall refer these matters to the JTTFs for
investigation. Upon receipt of these referrals, the JTTFs shall use all available investigative
tools, consistent with law enforcement internal policies and statutory obligations, to map the full
network of culpable actors involved in the referred conduct inside and outside the United States.

Particularly dangerous are those acts committed by violent extremist groups that threaten both
citizens' safety and our country's ability to self-govern. These domestic terrorists use violence or
the threat of violence to advance political and social agendas, including opposition to law and
immigration enforcement; extreme views in favor of mass migration and open borders;
adherence to radical gender ideology, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, or anti-Christianity;
support for the overthrow of the United States Government; hostility towards traditional views on
family, religion, and morality; and an elevation of violence to achieve policy outcomes, such as
political assassinations.[^2] The recent attacks fueled by these agendas and ideological
frameworks require a robust response. The JTTFs shall prioritize the investigation of such
conduct.

2. Common Characteristics of Domestic Terrorists and
Organizations


As explained in NSPM-7, domestic terrorists seek to disrupt the functioning of a democratic
society. Many of these domestic terrorists and domestic terrorist organizations are united by an
anti-fascist platform that justifies violence and any other means necessary to combat perceived
"fascism." To these violent groups, fascism must be countered and violence—which they claim
as first-strike self-defense—is justified. For example, per Antifa: the Anti-Fascist Handbook,
"anti-fascists don't wait for a fascist threat to become violent before acting to shut it down,
physically if necessary."

Further, this ideology that paints legitimate government authority and traditional, conservative
viewpoints as "fascist" connects a recent string of political violence. Carvings on the bullet
casings of Charlie Kirk's assassin's bullets read, "Hey, fascist, catch" and "Bella Ciao"—an ode
to antifascist movements in Italy.[^3] Similarly, the July 4, 2025 ambush on ICE agents was
carried out by an anti-fascist group.[^4] Anti-fascists violently rioted onto UC Berkeley's campus
in 2017.[^5] ICE agents are regularly doxed by anti-fascists,[^6] and calls to dox ICE agents
appear in the same sentence of opinion pieces calling the Trump Administration fascist.[^7]
Thus, violence against what extremists claim to be fascism is the clarion call of recent domestic
terrorism.

3. Prosecuting the most serious, readily provable
offenses


To the maximum extent permitted by law and following the principles outlined in the Attorney
General's memorandum titled General Policy Regarding Charging, Plea Negotiations, and
Sentencing (Feb. 5, 2025), Department of Justice (DOJ) prosecutors shall prosecute all federal
crimes encountered during the investigations described in Section 2 of NSPM-7. Among other
potential charges, including conspiracies against the United States under 18 U.S.C. § 371 and
aiding and abetting under 18 U.S.C. § 2, prosecutors should be particularly mindful of the
potential applicability of the following provisions of law:
● 18 U.S.C. § 111 – Assaulting, resisting, or impeding federal officers
● 18 U.S.C. § 119 – Publicly disclosing the personal information of a federal agent
● 18 U.S.C. § 231 – Obstruction during civil disorders
● 18 U.S.C. § 241 – Conspiracy against rights
● 18 U.S.C. § 372 – Conspiracy to impede or injure officer
● 18 U.S.C. § 373 – Solicitation to commit a crime of violence
● 18 U.S.C. § 844(h)–(i) – Arson and explosives offenses
● 18 U.S.C. §§ 922, 924 – Firearms offenses
● 18 U.S.C. § 1031 – Major fraud against the United States
● 18 U.S.C. § 1114 – Killing or attempting to kill a federal officer
● 18 U.S.C. § 1341 – Mail fraud
● 18 U.S.C. § 1343 – Wire fraud
● 18 U.S.C. § 1361 – Destruction of government property
● 18 U.S.C. § 1501 – Assault on process server
● 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505 – Obstruction of judicial or agency proceedings
● 18 U.S.C. § 1507 – Picketing or parading with intent to obstruct the administration of
justice
● 18 U.S.C. § 1951 – Interference with commerce by threats or violence
● 18 U.S.C. § 1956 – Money laundering
● 18 U.S.C. § 1958 – Murder for hire
● 18 U.S.C. § 1962 et seq. – Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act
● 18 U.S.C. § 2101 – Traveling in interstate commerce or using a facility of interstate
commerce to organize or incite a riot[^8]
● 18 U.S.C. § 2339 et seq. – Providing material support for terrorist activity
● 18 U.S.C § 2384 – Seditious conspiracy to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any
law of the United States
● 26 U.S.C. §§ 5845, 5861 – Firearms and explosives offenses
● 41 C.F.R. § 102-74.390 – Obstruction or disruption in or on federal property

In addition, federal law enforcement and federal prosecutors should consider any applicable tax
crimes in cases in which extremist groups are suspected of defrauding the Internal Revenue
Service. As it receives referrals for violations of tax obligations, the DOJ should investigate and,
where appropriate, prosecute those responsible.

Finally, in calculating the applicable sentencing range, prosecutors should seek all applicable
enhancements under the United States Sentencing Guidelines, including the terrorism
enhancement under U.S.S.G. § 3A1.4.

4. Commissioning review of prior events and information

To fully implement NSPM-7, within 14 days of the issuance of this guidance, all federal law
enforcement agencies are directed to review their files and holdings for Antifa and Antifa-related
intelligence and information and coordinate delivery of such material to the Federal Bureau of
Investigation (FBI) for review within the JTTFs. Under appropriate circumstances, law
enforcement will take additional steps in these closed investigations.

Additionally, in coordination with other members of the JTTFs, the FBI, with the assistance of
the Counterterrorism Division, Cyber Division, Criminal Investigative Division, and the Criminal
Justice Information Service's National Threat Operations Center, shall investigate matters from
the past five years that involved potential acts of domestic terrorism, including the surge of
attacks on non-profit organizations and facilities, doxing of law enforcement, coordinated
interference with federal employees in agencies such as DOJ and the Department of Homeland
Security, and potential unlawful targeting of Supreme Court justices at their homes. The JTTFs
shall use all available tools to identify all criminal participants in these events, as well as those
who organize or financially sponsor those participants, and refer all appropriate matters to the
relevant United States Attorney for prosecution.

5. Identifying domestic terrorist organizations

Pursuant to Section 3 of NSPM-7, in the course of and as a result of the investigations directed
by NSPM-7, the FBI, in coordination with its partners on the JTTFs, and consistent with
applicable law, shall compile a list of groups or entities engaged in acts that may constitute
domestic terrorism as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 2331(5) and provide that list to the Deputy
Attorney General. The FBI and its JTTF partners must adopt strategies similar to those used to
address violent crime and organized crime to disrupt and dismantle entire networks of criminal
activity. The FBI, with the assistance of the Counterterrorism Division, Cyber Division, Criminal
Investigative Division, and the Criminal Justice Information Service's National Threat Operations
Center, shall provide an initial report on this directive within 30 days of the issuance of this
guidance, and updated reports every 30 days thereafter, or at the request of the Attorney
General or Deputy Attorney General.

6. Prioritizing grants to law enforcement partners

Pursuant to NSPM-7, DOJ's grant-making components shall prioritize grant funding to state and
local law enforcement partners for programs to detect, prevent, and protect against domestic
terrorism. Specifically, within 30 days of the issuance of this guidance, each grant-making
component shall, consistent with all applicable statutory authorities, provide to the Deputy
Attorney General proposals for notices of funding opportunities that prioritize supporting state
and local programs to combat domestic terrorism.

7. Disseminating intelligence on extremist groups

Within 60 days of the issuance of this guidance, the FBI, in coordination with its partners on the
JTTFs, shall disseminate an intelligence bulletin on Antifa and Antifa-aligned anarchist violent
extremist groups. The bulletin should describe the relevant organizations' structures, funding
sources, and tactics so that law enforcement partners can effectively investigate and policy
makers can effectively understand the nature and gravity of the threat posed by these extremist
groups.

8. Leveraging existing FBI capabilities to identify tips that
will dismantle domestic terrorist organizations and
activities


Within 30 days of the issuance of this guidance, the FBI, with the assistance of its
Counterterrorism Division, Operational and Technology Division, and Criminal Justice
Information Service's National Threat Operations Center, shall establish recommendations to
better publicize the FBI's tip line for submitting tips related to domestic terrorism. When
individuals witness threats or acts of violence and domestic terrorism, they should be aware that
they can quickly report such activities to a central tip line within the FBI. The FBI shall respond
appropriately to such tips and use the information to better investigate domestic terrorism. The
FBI is also directed, within 30 days of the issuance of this guidance and consistent with
applicable law, to review and update the capabilities of its Digital Media Tipline, in compliance
with FBI policy and statutory obligations, so that witnesses and citizen journalists can send
media of suspected acts of domestic terrorism to law enforcement online.

Further, because information from within an organization is often necessary to effectively
dismantle large, criminal enterprises, the FBI shall establish a cash reward system for
information that leads to the successful identification and arrest of individuals in the leadership
of domestic terrorist organizations that conspire with others to commit violations of the
provisions of law listed in section 2 of this guidance or other offenses against the United States.

As investigations continue and potential prosecutions begin, the FBI, in coordination with its
partners on the JTTFs, shall aim to establish cooperators to provide information and eventually
testify against other members and leadership of domestic terrorist organizations.



[^1]: This guidance is not intended to, does not, and may not be relied upon to create, any right
or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the
United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any
other person.
[^2]: The United States Government does not investigate, collect, or maintain information on
U.S. persons solely for the purpose of monitoring activities protected by the First Amendment.
No investigation may be opened based solely on activities protected by the First Amendment or
the lawful exercise of rights secured by the Constitution or laws of the United States.
[^3]: See Ben Goggin, et al., Charlie Kirk shooting suspect referenced fascism and memes on
bullets, officials say, NBC News (Sept. 12, 2025, 7:37 PM EDT),
er-robinson-rcna230950.
[^4]: See DHS Statement on Capture of Violent Extremist Involved in Prairieland Attack on ICE
Agents, DHS.GOV (July 11, 2025),
nd-attack-ice-agents.
[^5]: See Emma Bowman, Scattered Violence Erupts at Large, Left-Wing Berkley Rally, NPR
(Aug. 28, 2019, 12:19 AM ET),
ge-left-wing-berkeley-rally.
[^6]: See Anarchists and Rioters in Portland Illegally Dox ICE Officers and Federal Law
Enforcement, DHS.GOV (July 11, 2025),
nd-federal-law.
[^7]: See Josh Marus, Democrats are calling for ICE agents to lose their masks and have
identities released. DHS says no way, THE INDEPENDENT (June 4, 2025, 18:09 EDT),
[^8]: Prosecutors should be aware of circuit law finding certain aspects of the Federal Anti-Riot
Act unconstitutional. See, e.g., United States v. Rundo, 990 F.3d 709, 720 (9th Cir. 2021);
United States v. Miselis, 972 F.3d 518, 542–43 (4th Cir. 2020).
 
Yeah we should totally trust a government that says "Antifa is a terrorist organization", not to discriminate against anti-Christian people or people they merely perceive as anti-Christian, when the government believes the U.S. is a Christian nation, guys. Totally trustworthy and nothing problematic at all. It's so weird why people might be even the least bit concerned about this! 🙄
 
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By her definition, the J6 Rioters are domestic terrorists. But Trump pardoned them all. Aiding and abetting. Does that make Trump a domestic terrorists? I think that it qualifies.
 
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As always, if you want a detailed verbal portrait of Trump, just make a list of the things he says about his enemies. Dumb as a rock. Treasonous. Weaponizing government. Sleepy. Piggy. Very terrible person.
Cognitive exam: "Which contemporary politician best embodies the phrase dumb, treasonous, sleepy, terrible piggy?" If you said Trump, your doctors will say they've never seen such a perfect test score.
 
What happens when you combine section 1 and section 8:
These domestic terrorists use violence or
the threat of violence to advance political and social agendas, including opposition to law and
immigration enforcement; extreme views in favor of mass migration and open borders;
adherence to radical gender ideology, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, or anti-Christianity;

support for the overthrow of the United States Government; hostility towards traditional views on
family, religion, and morality;
and an elevation of violence to achieve policy outcomes, such as
political assassinations.[^2] The recent attacks fueled by these agendas and ideological
frameworks require a robust response. The JTTFs shall prioritize the investigation of such
conduct.

This blurb from section 1 is very broad under a lens of subjective interpretation by citizens
trying to get their money:
Further, because information from within an organization is often necessary to effectively
dismantle large, criminal enterprises, the FBI shall establish a cash reward system for
information that leads to the successful identification and arrest of individuals in the leadership
of domestic terrorist organizations that conspire with others to commit violations of the
provisions of law listed in section 2 of this guidance or other offenses against the United States.

MAGAs think that ALL Democrats have at least some of those ideologies. In fact, be nice to immigrants
through a MAGA lens is open borders. Taking a cell phone documentation of ICE beating someone is
DOXing to them. Saying FAFO or Don't Tread on Me or I will defend myself is _a_threat_of_violence.

The little footnote at the end about free speech rights not being the only thing leading to an arrest
is belied by the cash reward system of citizens and fake journalists provocateurs who will by definition
be the __additional__ __evidence__ besides the speech.

Here's an example. Consider Unknown Soldier previously of this forum. He claimed we were an
atheist (read: anti-Christian) death cult. Okay fine, so, so far that's just a free speech issue. Now
combine it with his idiotic interpretation he was being threatened by a statement about someone
defending themselves. *BAM* We are all potential terrorists. Now Unknown Soldier due to his
need to get some cash money can go call the hotline. They then will supply warrants.

That hypothetical is merely intended to show how overly broad their tactics are. While they could
end up arresting some people who are planning to do some violence, the vast majority of investigations
will lead to innocent persons but that could then lead to trumped up charges or enforcing things
not necessarily enforced in the past. In some sense, this is worse than COINTELPRO. COINTELPRO had
agent provocateurs supplied by the federal government. This is different because it is calling on
all right-wing citizens to act as Gestapo informants for cash money.
 
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