Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[blastula]

Judge questions legality of U.S. attorney's request to strike jury's civil rights verdict

The federal judge who presided over the three-day trial ordered prosecutors to file a brief explaining the court's authority to strike portions of a jury verdict.

www.legalaffairsandtrials.com

A federal judge in Los Angeles on Tuesday questioned the legality of the U.S. Department of Justice’s request to strike a jury’s felony civil rights verdict against a former sheriff’s deputy.

Prosecutors must explain the legality of their requested action by May 13 in a brief no longer than 15 pages, U.S. District Judge Stephen V. Wilson said.

Wilson’s order follows a rare “post-trial” plea agreement that reduces former Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department Deputy Trevor Kirk’s conviction to a misdemeanor and recommends he be sentenced to probation only.

Four prosecutors assigned to Kirk’s case did not sign the document, and three joined at least a dozen other colleagues who’ve submitted their resignations in the month since President Donald Trump appointed Bill Essayli as interim U.S. attorney for the Central District of California in Los Angeles.

A jury on Feb. 6 convicted Kirk of felony deprivation of rights under color of law for assaulting a woman outside a Southern California grocery store in 2023

 

[ZiprHead]

Really???

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

I notice that he is taking things from her pockets and putting them in his own, without showing what they are. He could later reveal some drugs and claim they are hers, or stolen property. But he is the thief, and abuser. Bet he didn't read her her Miranda rights either.
The Clark County police claim that she was 27 years old. So, the facts aren't fully known yet, there are only claims and insufficient knowledge.

 

[ZiprHead]

Another travesty of justice.

 

[ZiprHead]

Cops arrest people for using their freedom of speech.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[ZiprHead]

Judge gives ex-officer nearly 3 years in Breonna Taylor raid, rebuffs DOJ call for no prison time

A federal judge on Monday sentenced a former Kentucky police officer to nearly three years in prison for using excessive force during the deadly 2020 Breonna Taylor raid.

apnews.com

The DOJ wanted him to get one day.

 

[blastula]

Judge gives ex-officer nearly 3 years in Breonna Taylor raid, rebuffs DOJ call for no prison time

A federal judge on Monday sentenced a former Kentucky police officer to nearly three years in prison for using excessive force during the deadly 2020 Breonna Taylor raid.

apnews.com

The DOJ wanted him to get one day.

Thread on the judge's criticism of the DOJ fascist clown show.

 

[Derec]

Jason Riley: it's not a sculpture of limitations.

And the sentence is clearly excessive. How does firing shots after being fired upon deserve a three year sentence?

Compare that to no jail time a woman who robbed two men received. Or a mere year the #BLM arsonist lawyers got for torching a NYPD vehicle and handing out Molotovs to other rioters.

 

[laughing dog]

Jason Riley: it's not a sculpture of limitations.

And the sentence is clearly excessive. How does firing shots after being fired upon deserve a three year sentence?

Because none of Harkinson’s shots were near the assiliant’s. The residents and neighbors are lucky no one was shot.

The police are rightly judged by higher standards since they are given more leeway.

Compare that to no jail time a woman who robbed two men received. Or a mere year the #BLM arsonist lawyers got for torching a NYPD vehicle and handing out Molotovs to other rioters.

Different crimes and jurisdictions.

 

[southernhybrid]

Jason Riley: it's not a sculpture of limitations.

And the sentence is clearly excessive. How does firing shots after being fired upon deserve a three year sentence?

Compare that to no jail time a woman who robbed two men received. Or a mere year the #BLM arsonist lawyers got for torching a NYPD vehicle and handing out Molotovs to other rioters.

Well since then police went to the wrong house and the person who shot but never injured anyone thought they were thieves breaking in, it doesn't sound reasonable that they killed a perfectly innocent woman, who if I remember correctly was in her bed. I heard that the usual sentence for such a crime was a 20 year sentence, so the cop got a rather light sentence imo.

I know nothing about the other two cases you mentioned but they have nothing to do with the Taylor case, and most of us expect the police to have much better judgment then some do these days. Do you recall the time the cops in ATL went to the wrong door and shot and killed a 90 year old women who came to the door with a gun, as she thought her home was about to be robbed? It was probably over 20 years ago. She never shot the gun, but the cops immediately killed her. Were they wearing protective gear? If not, why not? Did they not bother to double check the address, if not why not? I don't remember if any of them were charged with a crime, but imo, they killed an innocent old woman who was trying to protect herself. I thought in our gun crazy country, people have the right to defend themselves from intruders, even if the intruders are stupid police who have a warrant but go to the wrong home.

 

[Derec]

Because none of Harkinson’s shots were near the assiliant’s. The residents and neighbors are lucky no one was shot.

Being a lousy shot when under fire should result in discipline or termination, not a three year federal sentence.

The police are rightly judged by higher standards since they are given more leeway.

He is given far less leeway than the guy who opened fire at police in the first place.

Different crimes and jurisdictions.

It was just for comparison purposes. Although the arsonist lawyers were in the same jurisdiction - federal court.

 

[laughing dog]

Because none of Harkinson’s shots were near the assiliant’s. The residents and neighbors are lucky no one was shot.

Being a lousy shot when under fire should result in discipline or termination, not a three year federal sentence.

Get elected to Congress and rewrite federal statutes.

The police are rightly judged by higher standards since they are given more leeway.

He is given far less leeway than the guy who opened fire at police in the first place.

BS. The police burst into his home on a no knock warrant. And he fired at his invaders.

Different crimes and jurisdictions.

It was just for comparison purposes. Although the arsonist lawyers were in the same jurisdiction - federal court.

For comparison purposes, he got off easy - Eichmann was hung.

 

[Derec]

Well since then police went to the wrong house

It was the right house, but the target of the warrant had moved out. Breanna Taylor used to date a drug dealer who was the target.

and the person who shot but never injured anyone thought they were thieves breaking in,

He actually hit one of the cops.

it doesn't sound reasonable that they killed a perfectly innocent woman, who if I remember correctly was in her bed. I heard that the usual sentence for such a crime was a 20 year sentence, so the cop got a rather light sentence imo.

Harkinson did not hit Taylor. In fact, it was he who did not shot and injure anybody, not Taylor's boyfriend.
He was being prosecuted because his aim was off.

I know nothing about the other two cases you mentioned but they have nothing to do with the Taylor case, and most of us expect the police to have much better judgment then some do these days.

I also expect lawyers, who are officers of the court, to not hand out Molotov cocktails and torch police vehicles just because they are angry. I see this as a much more serious crime because they had mens rea, i.e. criminal intent. So did the robber in Florida who got away with no prison time because of her gender. Harkinson did not have mens rea.
The only person(s) who should have been prosecuted in the Taylor case were people who misrepresented facts to get the warrant for an address that turned out not to be current. Which ties nicely with ...

Do you recall the time the cops in ATL went to the wrong door and shot and killed a 90 year old women who came to the door with a gun, as she thought her home was about to be robbed? It was probably over 20 years ago. She never shot the gun, but the cops immediately killed her. Were they wearing protective gear? If not, why not?

It does not matter if she managed to get a shot off or not, raising the gun is enough. No police officer will let themselves be shot regardless of vests, which are not 100% effective anyway.
This case also involved a detective misrepresenting the facts to get a warrant. I do not think officers who shot the old woman did anything wrong, the detective did.

Did they not bother to double check the address, if not why not? I don't remember if any of them were charged with a crime, but imo, they killed an innocent old woman who was trying to protect herself. I thought in our gun crazy country, people have the right to defend themselves from intruders, even if the intruders are stupid police who have a warrant but go to the wrong home.

The address was correct, just not current. Same with the Vine City case in Atlanta. Correct address, but shenanigans leading to obtaining the warrant. Which means the responding officers did not screw up in either case. Except for bad aim on part of Harkinson. But I do not think that deserves three years.

 

[Derec]

Get elected to Congress and rewrite federal statutes.

White people have no chance getting elected to Congress in the Atlanta area.

BS. The police burst into his home on a no knock warrant. And he fired at his invaders.

Police maintain that they announced themselves, although it is possible he did not hear them.

For comparison purposes, he got off easy - Eichmann was hung.

Unlike mine, your is an absolutely ridiculous comparison. I compared bad aim and reacting poorly while under fire with crimes that had criminal intent and yet received low or non-existent sentences.
Also, it's "hanged". "Hung" is, uhm, something different.

 

[laughing dog]

Get elected to Congress and rewrite federal statutes.

White people have no chance getting elected to Congress in the Atlanta area.

Congress includes the Senate or move.

BS. The police burst into his home on a no knock warrant. And he fired at his invaders.

Police maintain that they announced themselves, although it is possible he did not hear them.

On a no knock warrant?

For comparison purposes, he got off easy - Eichmann was hung.

Unlike mine, your is an absolutely ridiculous comparison.

Yours was inane. At least mine both are white men.

 

[Derec]

Congress includes the Senate or move.

Even more unrealistic, given how few Senators there are, but you know that.
One can debate the rights and wrongs of federal prosecutions and sentencing in federal courts without having to run for office.

On a no knock warrant?

Yes. Even on a no-knock warrant the police are required to announce themselves. They are just not required to knock and wait until the perps flush the drugs or attempt to flee down the fire escape.

Yours was inane. At least mine both are white men.

Not inane, and I already explained why. Besides, race and gender are the least relevant part of the comparison. But I am aware that they are most important to you fauxgressives.

 

[southernhybrid]

Well since then police went to the wrong house

It was the right house, but the target of the warrant had moved out. Breanna Taylor used to date a drug dealer who was the target.

and the person who shot but never injured anyone thought they were thieves breaking in,

He actually hit one of the cops.

it doesn't sound reasonable that they killed a perfectly innocent woman, who if I remember correctly was in her bed. I heard that the usual sentence for such a crime was a 20 year sentence, so the cop got a rather light sentence imo.

Harkinson did not hit Taylor. In fact, it was he who did not shot and injure anybody, not Taylor's boyfriend.
He was being prosecuted because his aim was off.

I know nothing about the other two cases you mentioned but they have nothing to do with the Taylor case, and most of us expect the police to have much better judgment then some do these days.

I also expect lawyers, who are officers of the court, to not hand out Molotov cocktails and torch police vehicles just because they are angry. I see this as a much more serious crime because they had mens rea, i.e. criminal intent. So did the robber in Florida who got away with no prison time because of her gender. Harkinson did not have mens rea.
The only person(s) who should have been prosecuted in the Taylor case were people who misrepresented facts to get the warrant for an address that turned out not to be current. Which ties nicely with ...

Do you recall the time the cops in ATL went to the wrong door and shot and killed a 90 year old women who came to the door with a gun, as she thought her home was about to be robbed? It was probably over 20 years ago. She never shot the gun, but the cops immediately killed her. Were they wearing protective gear? If not, why not?

It does not matter if she managed to get a shot off or not, raising the gun is enough. No police officer will let themselves be shot regardless of vests, which are not 100% effective anyway.
This case also involved a detective misrepresenting the facts to get a warrant. I do not think officers who shot the old woman did anything wrong, the detective did.

Did they not bother to double check the address, if not why not? I don't remember if any of them were charged with a crime, but imo, they killed an innocent old woman who was trying to protect herself. I thought in our gun crazy country, people have the right to defend themselves from intruders, even if the intruders are stupid police who have a warrant but go to the wrong home.

The address was correct, just not current. Same with the Vine City case in Atlanta. Correct address, but shenanigans leading to obtaining the warrant. Which means the responding officers did not screw up in either case. Except for bad aim on part of Harkinson. But I do not think that deserves three years.

I think the sentence should be 10 years, so we disagree, which is perfectly acceptable. Shit. I almost got on a jury where two young black guys got a 20 and 30 year sentence for being caught with a fairly small amount of cocaine. Seriously. I was told by the wife of the one of the jurors that he felt so guilty about the sentence that he couldn’t sleep for a few weeks. But, sure a cop who kills someone should get off, but two young black guys who were selling a drug should spend decades in prison. Fuck that!

 

[Derec]

I think the sentence should be 10 years, so we disagree, which is perfectly acceptable. Shit. I almost got on a jury where two young black guys got a 20 and 30 year sentence for being caught with a fairly small amount of cocaine.

One excessive sentence does not justify another.

But, sure a cop who kills someone should get off, but two young black guys who were selling a drug should spend decades in prison. Fuck that

Did you even read my post? Harkinson did not kill anyone. He did not even hit anyone.

 

[laughing dog]

Congress includes the Senate or move.

Even more unrealistic, given how few Senators there are, but you know that.
One can debate the rights and wrongs of federal prosecutions and sentencing in federal courts without having to run for office.

One may have an opinion about anything. But if want change you need to either convince others with rational reasons or get into power to implement your authoritarian love of the police.

But hey, why not alert the policeman’s guardian jackass - Donald Trump - to pardon this police thug of the federal charges.

On a no knock warrant?

Yes. Even on a no-knock warrant the police are required to announce themselves. They are just not required to knock and wait until the perps flush the drugs or attempt to flee down the fire escape.

It’s cute how you drop all skepticism when it comes to police narratives.

Yours was inane. At least mine both are white men.

Not inane, and I already explained why. Besides, race and gender are the least relevant part of the comparison. But I am aware that they are most important to you fauxgressives.

Least relevant but more relevant than your ridiculous comparisons to incomparable crimes by citizens in different jurisdictions.