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If the baby can survive outside the womb is abortion "murder"?

Post #519 is evidence of little except that @excreationist is a disgusting human being, with profoundly morbid taste in entertainment.
Tom
According to some people here the screenshots are just fake and they say abortion isn't that bad anyway. A related thing to a "morbid taste in entertainment" is that for a couple of years I've been working on a game where you have to chop up everything that breathes. I guess you can't find any reference to any of those pictures/videos being fake.
BTW the Planned Parenthood 2015 wiki page I posted has 125 references.
I just posted the screenshots in order to demonstrate what I'm talking about.
 
I just posted the screenshots in order to demonstrate what I'm talking about.
What you demonstrated by posting those pictures without a spoiler cover is that you're a disgusting person with morbid taste in entertainment.
Tom
 
I just posted the screenshots in order to demonstrate what I'm talking about.
What you demonstrated by posting those pictures without a spoiler cover is that you're a disgusting person with morbid taste in entertainment.
Tom
Well I did notice my 8 year old nephew kept on wanting to look at my computer and I kept on having to hide the screenshots. I was sharing the photos in a clinical way focusing on the color of the bodies. I guess you can't find a single reference (compared to the 125 in the wiki) that agrees that they aren't real foetuses so you've got to find some other problem in my posts. Anyway I'll try and remember to use spoiler if I post (fake?) abortion screenshots again.
 
Post #519 is evidence of little except that @excreationist is a disgusting human being, with profoundly morbid taste in entertainment.
Tom
Yeah, I think I'm done here.

We all explained what "fake" meant in context here anyway and that was ignored.
 
Anyway I'll try and remember to use spoiler if I post (fake?) abortion screenshots again.
That's all I am asking.
And I have before.
Put your nasty images behind a spoiler? Why is that so much to ask?
Tom
Sorry sometimes I don't think straight. The intention was to compare the skin colour in a clinical way and make it easier to see it - so I was too focused on that than being mindful of whether it was appropriate.
 
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Post #519 is evidence of little except that @excreationist is a disgusting human being, with profoundly morbid taste in entertainment.
Tom
Yeah, I think I'm done here.

We all explained what "fake" meant in context here anyway and that was ignored.
You could have clarified more what you meant like I had to. Sometimes I don't fully get people's points and don't respond to them properly - sometimes repeatedly. I guess my mind is too messed up for you.
 
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Post #519 is evidence of little except that @excreationist is a disgusting human being, with profoundly morbid taste in entertainment.
Tom
Yeah, I think I'm done here.

We all explained what "fake" meant in context here anyway and that was ignored.
You could have clarified more what you meant like I had to. Sometimes I don't fully get people's points and don't respond to them properly. I guess my mind is too messed up for you.
It wasn't just me. It was me, and Loren, and Tom, we all described that "fake" meant as much "misrepresented from the original context".

A stillbirth corpse of an actual human fetus would be "fake" from this perspective because it wouldn't be an artifact of elective abortion.

We are asking for the stories behind your images, which NOBODY seems to have, because we know that the absence of such stories is generally damning to those making claims.

We asked you NOT for the images, but their back stories.
 
Post #519 is evidence of little except that @excreationist is a disgusting human being, with profoundly morbid taste in entertainment.
Tom
Yeah, I think I'm done here.

We all explained what "fake" meant in context here anyway and that was ignored.
You could have clarified more what you meant like I had to. Sometimes I don't fully get people's points and don't respond to them properly. I guess my mind is too messed up for you.
It wasn't just me. It was me, and Loren, and Tom, we all described that "fake" meant as much "misrepresented from the original context".

A stillbirth corpse of an actual human fetus would be "fake" from this perspective because it wouldn't be an artifact of elective abortion.
This shows a cartoon of a foetus being pulled into pieces:

The footage I provided sometimes includes footage of bits of foetus body parts. Were they really foetus body parts? Otherwise they were careful to make fake ones that match those in that cartoon.
We are asking for the stories behind your images, which NOBODY seems to have, because we know that the absence of such stories is generally damning to those making claims.

We asked you NOT for the images, but their back stories.
I thought footage would be better evidence than stories. I mean people here don't even believe a Professor of Law when she talked about an abortion at 37 weeks. I can find more information about abortion footage but I wasn't able to find evidence that it was faked in the 1980s or 1990s etc.
 
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Post #519 is evidence of little except that @excreationist is a disgusting human being, with profoundly morbid taste in entertainment.
Tom
Yeah, I think I'm done here.

We all explained what "fake" meant in context here anyway and that was ignored.
You could have clarified more what you meant like I had to. Sometimes I don't fully get people's points and don't respond to them properly. I guess my mind is too messed up for you.
It wasn't just me. It was me, and Loren, and Tom, we all described that "fake" meant as much "misrepresented from the original context".

A stillbirth corpse of an actual human fetus would be "fake" from this perspective because it wouldn't be an artifact of elective abortion.
This shows a cartoon of a foetus being pulled into pieces:

The footage I provided sometimes includes footage of bits of foetus body parts. Were they really foetus body parts? Otherwise they were careful to make fake ones that match those in that cartoon.
We are asking for the stories behind your images, which NOBODY seems to have, because we know that the absence of such stories is generally damning to those making claims.

We asked you NOT for the images, but their back stories.
I thought footage would be better evidence than stories. I mean people here don't even believe a Professor of Law when she talked about an abortion at 37 weeks. I can find more information about abortion footage but I wasn't able to find evidence that it was faked in the 1980s or 1990s etc.

No, it wouldn't, because footage without context can be of anything, including stillbirths or third world shit or fucking sugar sculptures.

We expect you to provide this context, because it is material to the claims of those posting them.
 
No, it wouldn't, because footage without context can be of anything, including stillbirths or third world shit or fucking sugar sculptures.

We expect you to provide this context, because it is material to the claims of those posting them.
I said earlier it could be third world footage. I never said any of it was from Western countries. Why does that cartoon showing a pile of body pieces look similar to some of the footage? Either it was a real abortion or they faked it to look like a real abortion? How did they know what the chopped up bits were supposed to look like?
 
I thought footage would be better evidence than stories.
Why would you think that trashy images with no demonstrable context would be better evidence than something like real evidence and statistics and studies and science and stuff?
Tom
 
I thought footage would be better evidence than stories.
Why would you think that trashy images with no demonstrable context would be better evidence than something like real evidence and statistics and studies and science and stuff?
Tom
Because that is how professional Christians and anyone who they have corrupted and anyone else who corrupts as they do encourage people to "reason" for themselves, with images and emotions rather than actual documentation.
 
Post #519 is evidence of little except that @excreationist is a disgusting human being, with profoundly morbid taste in entertainment.
Tom
Yeah, I think I'm done here.

We all explained what "fake" meant in context here anyway and that was ignored.
You could have clarified more what you meant like I had to. Sometimes I don't fully get people's points and don't respond to them properly. I guess my mind is too messed up for you.
It wasn't just me. It was me, and Loren, and Tom, we all described that "fake" meant as much "misrepresented from the original context".

A stillbirth corpse of an actual human fetus would be "fake" from this perspective because it wouldn't be an artifact of elective abortion.
This shows a cartoon of a foetus being pulled into pieces:

The footage I provided sometimes includes footage of bits of foetus body parts. Were they really foetus body parts? Otherwise they were careful to make fake ones that match those in that cartoon.
We are asking for the stories behind your images, which NOBODY seems to have, because we know that the absence of such stories is generally damning to those making claims.

We asked you NOT for the images, but their back stories.
I thought footage would be better evidence than stories. I mean people here don't even believe a Professor of Law when she talked about an abortion at 37 weeks. I can find more information about abortion footage but I wasn't able to find evidence that it was faked in the 1980s or 1990s etc.

Before you posted the video from her I had a week earlier watched another anti-abortion video of hers on you tube, and this showed that she was a fanatic with little interest in the truth. This is a classic example of the appeal to authority. Many dictatorial regimes have people with tertiary academic qualifications that support them. What I found interesting when I saw her prior video is that it was about medical matters, and she had put the title Doctor in front of her name, as if to deceive about what her doctorate was about.
 
I thought footage would be better evidence than stories.
Why would you think that trashy images with no demonstrable context would be better evidence than something like real evidence and statistics and studies and science and stuff?
Tom
In post #361 I referred to statistics from The Consultative Council on Obstetric and Paediatric Mortality and Morbidity which a Professor of Law quoted. She seemed to be familiar with the case but was referring to the table as evidence. People here couldn't accept that the 37 week abortion was for "psychosocial indictions only" (like the table says) but somehow was actually for other reasons.
 
Before you posted the video from her I had a week earlier watched another anti-abortion video of hers on you tube, and this showed that she was a fanatic with little interest in the truth. This is a classic example of the appeal to authority. Many dictatorial regimes have people with tertiary academic qualifications that support them. What I found interesting when I saw her prior video is that it was about medical matters, and she had put the title Doctor in front of her name, as if to deceive about what her doctorate was about.
Are you saying that in abortions they NEVER chop up a foetus like that? So they created that cartoon based on something that never happens? BTW in university essays at least there are appeals to authority - you have to provide references. So in the case of abortion they ALWAYS are able to pull out the foetus in one piece? The footage also showed some chopped up foetuses. I guess you're saying it is just a myth that never happens but for some reason it is shown in the cartoon and some of the footage...
People claiming the footage (AND the cartoon) is fake reminds me of people claiming the moon landing footage as fake. If I claimed the footage was from NASA maybe you'd say "this is a classic example of the appeal to authority". Ideally there would be whistle blowers that can confirm that it was in fact a fake. But I guess all of them are keeping the secret. On the other hand in the PP 2015 case, there were 125 references so in that case at least there were some whistle blowers.
 
I thought footage would be better evidence than stories.
Why would you think that trashy images with no demonstrable context would be better evidence than something like real evidence and statistics and studies and science and stuff?
Tom
Because that is how professional Christians and anyone who they have corrupted and anyone else who corrupts as they do encourage people to "reason" for themselves, with images and emotions rather than actual documentation.
Post #361 is actual documentation
 
Before you posted the video from her I had a week earlier watched another anti-abortion video of hers on you tube, and this showed that she was a fanatic with little interest in the truth. This is a classic example of the appeal to authority. Many dictatorial regimes have people with tertiary academic qualifications that support them. What I found interesting when I saw her prior video is that it was about medical matters, and she had put the title Doctor in front of her name, as if to deceive about what her doctorate was about.
Are you saying that in abortions they NEVER chop up a foetus like that? So they created that cartoon based on something that never happens? BTW in university essays at least there are appeals to authority - you have to provide references. So in the case of abortion they ALWAYS are able to pull out the foetus in one piece? The footage also showed some chopped up foetuses. I guess you're saying it is just a myth that never happens but for some reason it is shown in the cartoon and some of the footage...
People claiming the footage (AND the cartoon) is fake reminds me of people claiming the moon landing footage as fake. If I claimed the footage was from NASA maybe you'd say "this is a classic example of the appeal to authority". Ideally there would be whistle blowers that can confirm that it was in fact a fake. But I guess all of them are keeping the secret. On the other hand in the PP 2015 case, there were 125 references so in that case at least there were some whistle blowers.
I wasn't talking about the already mentioned and discussed video. I mentioned another video from this lady.
The moon landing footage is a small part of the evidence for the moon landing. There is much other evidence.
With regard to the appeal to authority, we have with this lady a lawyer speaking as an alleged authority, on medical matters, even though she has no medical or biological qualifications.
 
I wasn't talking about the already mentioned and discussed video. I mentioned another video from this lady.
What about the cartoon I shared? Do you think that ever happens in abortions?
The moon landing footage is a small part of the evidence for the moon landing. There is much other evidence.
The footage is what the critics focus on. What other evidence is there? Testimonies of astronauts? Footage of rockets going into the sky? The critics don't find that to be very persuasive.
With regard to the appeal to authority, we have with this lady a lawyer speaking as an alleged authority, on medical matters, even though she has no medical or biological qualifications.
She is a professor of Law and would be familiar with the idea of "truth". i.e. what's good evidence, etc. In post #518 a former PM also agrees that in NSW "you can have late term abortion right up until your due date" and he would also be an expert in what the law is.
I don't think you need to be a medical expert to determine whether a foetus was killed and how many weeks a long it was and whether is was for psychosocial reasons only. Though those statistics would have been compiled by medical experts.
 
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I thought footage would be better evidence than stories.
Why would you think that trashy images with no demonstrable context would be better evidence than something like real evidence and statistics and studies and science and stuff?
Tom
Because that is how professional Christians and anyone who they have corrupted and anyone else who corrupts as they do encourage people to "reason" for themselves, with images and emotions rather than actual documentation.
Post #361 is actual documentation
No, it's not. The fact is that "psychosocial" can mean a lot of things, especially in Victoria in 2011. It also doesn't document those images to that event, which is the actual "goalpost" here.

You have to tie ANY of those images to EXACTLY one story, and provide all the context.

We're playing this eminently stupid "To Serve Man" game.

We need to know, for sure, whether the book is a document of peace, or a cookbook, so to speak. We have been told it is a document of peace so to speak by the forced birth crowd.

The proof is in actually telling a story that starts with "a woman decided to get an abortion because she felt like it" and ends with "and this picture is the result of that act", wherein the event happened as a result of the availability of legal abortion clinics.

There is a second matter beyond that which will compare the results and world of legal restrictions on abortion, just so you aren't unwarned that the princess is still in another castle.
 
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