George Zimmerman Arrested On Domestic Violence And Weapons Charge

[marc]

1) You're neglecting the fact that he was purchasing all the legal parts of purple drank.

2) You're neglecting the fact that it's likely he was casing houses.

3) I don't believe he was innocent--I think he didn't like being followed and attacked Zimmerman.

4) Why do you insist on slandering Zimmerman?

Oh my god. You are serious.

At this point, I'm seriously thinking that no, he is not serious Edited.

 

[Mumbles]

But people aren't arguing probable paths. They are arguing specific paths with assumed speeds, distances and trajectories that cannot possibly be known and based upon the evidence are quite fantastical or magical.

And that's why I asked for which path that martin took or probably took. There are 4 or 5 paths that followed with all but one doubling back. And then for the one for not doubling back, we have to ask if that would be consistent with both testimonies.

Let's answer this one. Martin ran to the infamous T-Junction, turned the corner...and then stopped because...Urban Rule #1. Zimmerman ran down Twin Trees (Among the many things he lied about, where he parked), stopped when the dispatch told him to, and then resumed pursuit when he hung up, after telling the dispatch to have the police call him so he could describe where he was.

Ta-Dow!

 

[Mumbles]

Anyway, which violent incident was this particular thread about?

Oh yeah, he allegedly threw a wine bottle at his girlfriend.

His claim is that he was simply throwing a wine bottle at the garage door. Putting aside the fact that he's a notorious liar (Why would anyone throw a wine bottle at a garage door!?), that's still good reason for the woman to fear for her safety. If one of my cousins called me up and said "Yeah, my boyfriend is throwing wine bottles around in anger." I know I'd tell her to get the hell out of there.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Anyway, which violent incident was this particular thread about?

Oh yeah, he allegedly threw a wine bottle at his girlfriend.

His claim is that he was simply throwing a wine bottle at the garage door. Putting aside the fact that he's a notorious liar (Why would anyone throw a wine bottle at a garage door!?), that's still good reason for the woman to fear for her safety. If one of my cousins called me up and said "Yeah, my boyfriend is throwing wine bottles around in anger." I know I'd tell her to get the hell out of there.

When I was 16 I threw something, I don't know let's say a anvil, at the door in anger. My sister was near the door and I consciously aimed the anvil away from my sister, but threw it to express my anger.

I was 16. Now on the occasions when I get mad, apparently I tend to throw chicken salad on the floor to express my anger. That's right, I am the chicken salad something or other. Let's say, "Not-So-Great Communicator?"

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

So, how many more violent stunts does this moron get to perform? When do you predict he'll end up somehow in prison?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

So, how many more violent stunts does this moron get to perform? When do you predict he'll end up somehow in prison?

He is building up quite the reputation. I honestly think they'll start throwing the book at him over these little stunts.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Anyway, which violent incident was this particular thread about?

Oh yeah, he allegedly threw a wine bottle at his girlfriend.

His claim is that he was simply throwing a wine bottle at the garage door.

Who hasn't done this in a fit of rage? Isn't that why most garage doors have purple stains on them? That was what Martin was doing that one night too. They found 30 bottles of wine on him and noticed many stained garage doors!

Putting aside the fact that he's a notorious liar (Why would anyone throw a wine bottle at a garage door!?), that's still good reason for the woman to fear for her safety. If one of my cousins called me up and said "Yeah, my boyfriend is throwing wine bottles around in anger." I know I'd tell her to get the hell out of there.

Doing anything physical like that in front of someone is intimidation. Nothing less. Zimmerman seems to be good at staying in the gray area of domestic violence.

 

[coloradoatheist]

Who hasn't done this in a fit of rage? Isn't that why most garage doors have purple stains on them? That was what Martin was doing that one night too. They found 30 bottles of wine on him and noticed many stained garage doors!

Putting aside the fact that he's a notorious liar (Why would anyone throw a wine bottle at a garage door!?), that's still good reason for the woman to fear for her safety. If one of my cousins called me up and said "Yeah, my boyfriend is throwing wine bottles around in anger." I know I'd tell her to get the hell out of there.

Doing anything physical like that in front of someone is intimidation. Nothing less. Zimmerman seems to be good at staying in the gray area of domestic violence.

If your cousin was saying she was going to start dating Zimmerman wouldn't you have warned her then? As I said we'll see where this goes. I think he'll get a year of probation and should lose his concealed carry permit.

 

[coloradoatheist]

And that's why I asked for which path that martin took or probably took. There are 4 or 5 paths that followed with all but one doubling back. And then for the one for not doubling back, we have to ask if that would be consistent with both testimonies.

Let's answer this one. Martin ran to the infamous T-Junction, turned the corner...and then stopped because...Urban Rule #1. Zimmerman ran down Twin Trees (Among the many things he lied about, where he parked), stopped when the dispatch told him to, and then resumed pursuit when he hung up, after telling the dispatch to have the police call him so he could describe where he was.

Ta-Dow!

And as jahryn pointed out earlier the timelines don't work for this case. But even then it's pretty funny because let's say that Martin ran around the corner (which I think he did) but then in your case he took about 10 steps after turning the corner and stopped because that is where the confrontation took place. So he stops in the middle of the lane and then what...for your scenerio when then got out his blanket, tea and crumpets and waited for Zimmerman to meet him. We have him talking to Jeantel for an additional three minutes on the phone without moving.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Great. we are down to knowing the actual number of steps taken.

 

[coloradoatheist]

Great. we are down to knowing the actual number of steps taken.

you don't have to know the exact number of steps, just a guess of the number of steps running it takes to cover the distance from the T to the spot they ended up.

 

[coloradoatheist]

And for the other part about Zimmerman acting like Zimmerman from the past and future, if he did we wouldn't be talking about this situation. He's thrown things, punched people, shoved people, but yet during this accident he did not fight and did not punch Martin. If he had done those things then the outcome would have been different. It would have just been a fight.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Great. we are down to knowing the actual number of steps taken.

you don't have to know the exact number of steps, just a guess of the number of steps running it takes to cover the distance from the T to the spot they ended up.

Exactly because gaits are constant and guesses are reliable.

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And for the other part about Zimmerman acting like Zimmerman from the past and future, if he did we wouldn't be talking about this situation. He's thrown things, punched people, shoved people, but yet during this accident he did not fight and did not punch Martin. If he had done those things then the outcome would have been different. It would have just been a fight.

You are correct. Zimmerman would have never used the gun he was carrying.

 

[coloradoatheist]

you don't have to know the exact number of steps, just a guess of the number of steps running it takes to cover the distance from the T to the spot they ended up.

Exactly because gaits are constant and guesses are reliable.

You are right, but I'm not saying that Martin took 8 steps when he took 7, that doesn't matter. What matters is the general distance and time and what the reasonable expectation is to cover that ground.

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You are correct. Zimmerman would have never used the gun he was carrying.

And which of the other incidents did Zimmerman use his gun?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Exactly because gaits are constant and guesses are reliable.

You are right, but I'm not saying that Martin took 8 steps when he took 7, that doesn't matter. What matters is the general distance and time and what the reasonable expectation is to cover that ground.

But that is based upon your assumptions. "Reasonable" includes stopping to talk on the phone, or to stalk Martin and tackle him.

You are correct. Zimmerman would have never used the gun he was carrying.

And which of the other incidents did Zimmerman use his gun?

Zimmerman never used his gun, as I explained in an earlier post. His gun discharged after his power ring went off.

 

[coloradoatheist]

You are right, but I'm not saying that Martin took 8 steps when he took 7, that doesn't matter. What matters is the general distance and time and what the reasonable expectation is to cover that ground.

But that is based upon your assumptions. "Reasonable" includes stopping to talk on the phone, or to stalk Martin and tackle him.

You are correct. Zimmerman would have never used the gun he was carrying.

And which of the other incidents did Zimmerman use his gun?

Zimmerman never used his gun, as I explained in an earlier post. His gun discharged after his power ring went off.

So somebody that was aggressive and violent took the risky and gambling strategy of allowing himself to be hit, punched several times, head banged a few times and let me somebody get on top of him so he can then then unleash his power with his gun. That was a very bad strategy for an aggressive person.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

So somebody that was aggressive and violent took the risky and gambling strategy of allowing himself to be hit, punched several times, head banged a few times and let me somebody get on top of him so he can then then unleash his power with his gun. That was a very bad strategy for an aggressive person.

By George I think you've got it!

 

[coloradoatheist]

So somebody that was aggressive and violent took the risky and gambling strategy of allowing himself to be hit, punched several times, head banged a few times and let me somebody get on top of him so he can then then unleash his power with his gun. That was a very bad strategy for an aggressive person.

By George I think you've got it!

Nope...It's an incredible strange strategy and not one you would think about while on the run. If Zimmerman wanted to be aggressive his strategy would have been to meet Martin right outside of his car when he walked by.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

By George I think you've got it!

Nope...It's an incredible strange strategy and not one you would think about while on the run. If Zimmerman wanted to be aggressive his strategy would have been to meet Martin right outside of his car when he walked by.

So what you are saying is Zimmerman is a guy who only acts in a cold, calculating, rational manner? And that he has control of his aggressive impulses?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I wonder, given his problems with crime after Trayvon, if Zimmerman is still considered to be white. Or is he only an honorary white because he did what one forum member has expressed a desire for and shot a black kid.

Hispanics can be white the only thing it means is that you originate from a Spanish speaking country Spaniards are Hispanic and they are white.

Yeah, that's exactly what is meant by the word "Hispanic" in political discussions in the United States.

Well, it is true some people are paranoid about armed minorities. That's why the press carefully cropped the picture of the black tea party protester so that you wouldn't see the race of the man carrying the rifle. His fellow protesters didn't seem offended by his race, but the photo croppers obviously were.

In what universe is this response remotely relevant?

In this one, where people don't want to say anything negative about kooky anti-gun paranoia, and so they insist that Mr. Foster had to be racially paranoid instead.