7 Habits of Highly Affected Racialists

[dismal]

it's virtually impossible to make a statement about white people that applies to All White People.

And that's why NOBODY ever makes such statements. Which is why the "not all X" argument is a strawman. It's arguing against a positions that NOBODY is actually holding.

If someone were so foolish as to make such a sweeping generalization, you would be perfectly correct to call them on it. And you would not be creating a strawman. But pretty much all you've done on this thread for the last few pages is rant and rave against your little strawman argument. And it is precisely this ranting and raving, this "not all X" strawman, that is, as I have pointed out, a habit of Highly Affected racialists.

So if no one ever makes broad sweeping over-generalized statements about white people, it must follow that no one ever says "Not All White People" in response to broad sweeping over-generalized statements about white people.

We can scratch #6 off the list.

 

[Davka]

And that's why NOBODY ever makes such statements. Which is why the "not all X" argument is a strawman. It's arguing against a positions that NOBODY is actually holding.

If someone were so foolish as to make such a sweeping generalization, you would be perfectly correct to call them on it. And you would not be creating a strawman. But pretty much all you've done on this thread for the last few pages is rant and rave against your little strawman argument. And it is precisely this ranting and raving, this "not all X" strawman, that is, as I have pointed out, a habit of Highly Affected racialists.

So if no one ever makes broad sweeping over-generalized statements about white people, it must follow that no one ever says "Not All White People" in response to broad sweeping over-generalized statements about white people.

We can scratch #6 off the list.

Are you honestly pretending not to understand what a strawman argument is?

 

[dismal]

So if no one ever makes broad sweeping over-generalized statements about white people, it must follow that no one ever says "Not All White People" in response to broad sweeping over-generalized statements about white people.

We can scratch #6 off the list.

Are you honestly pretending not to understand what a strawman argument is?

I can always check the OP if I want to see a dozen or so.

How about this: why don't you produce some good actual examples of Highly Affected Racialists using the "Not All White People" argument. Preferably not in response to sweeping over-generalized statements about white people.

Your comments in Athena's Whiteness thread don't count.

 

[Davka]

While there have been some parts of the discussion that are worthy of real consideration, I'm surprised nobody complained about the absolutely nonsensical descriptions of an apparently made up class of people called "Highly Affected Racialists".

The title is a play on "7 habits of highly effective people."

Now for the real question. How does making this list help make anything better or teach anyone anything useful about racism? Even if every word of the OP was true, would it serve as anything more than a rant against people you disagree with?

So far it has served well as a tool for exposing the asses of numerous posters. It's also served as a source of entertainment.

 

[Kharakov]

Hence the reasonable person might conclude the reasonable rule would be "stop making sweeping over-generalized statements an entire race of people" instead of attempting to call the people who challenge the sweeping over-generalized statements about a race "Racists".

There is a race of people? Has anyone informed geneticists?

I'm pretty sure they've been informed. There's this race of people who are more comfortable with what they are familiar with. I think they're called Homo Sapiens Prae-ascensio.

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So far it has served well as a tool for exposing the asses of numerous posters. It's also served as a source of entertainment.

You're an assclown...

 

[Davka]

Are you honestly pretending not to understand what a strawman argument is?

I can always check the OP if I want to see a dozen or so.

How about this: why don't you produce some good actual examples of Highly Affected Racialists using the "Not All White People" argument. Preferably not in response to sweeping over-generalized statements about white people.

Your comments in Athena's Whiteness thread don't count.

The strawman argument is "not all X." And it can be found all over the board, most recently in the threads dealing with police shootings and racism among police. And no, I'm not going to waste my time digging it out so you can play your pathetic little games.

It's painfully obvious why you don't like the list in the OP. It exposes every single tactic used by the racialists on this board. No wonder you have all been spending so much energy and vitriol attempting to bury it.

 

[dismal]

I can always check the OP if I want to see a dozen or so.

How about this: why don't you produce some good actual examples of Highly Affected Racialists using the "Not All White People" argument. Preferably not in response to sweeping over-generalized statements about white people.

Your comments in Athena's Whiteness thread don't count.

The strawman argument is "not all X." And it can be found all over the board, most recently in the threads dealing with police shootings and racism among police. And no, I'm not going to waste my time digging it out so you can play your pathetic little games.

It's painfully obvious why you don't like the list in the OP. It exposes every single tactic used by the racialists on this board. No wonder you have all been spending so much energy and vitriol attempting to bury it.

I repeat the request.

Since you appear to see no shortage of "Racialists" about, and you claim it is their habit to make "Not All White People" arguments you should have no problem producing actual examples. You also appear to have lots of time on your hands and White-Privilege levels of internet access.

So, let's have some examples.

Now's the time for you to really expose a lot of people.

 

[Davka]

The strawman argument is "not all X." And it can be found all over the board, most recently in the threads dealing with police shootings and racism among police. And no, I'm not going to waste my time digging it out so you can play your pathetic little games.

It's painfully obvious why you don't like the list in the OP. It exposes every single tactic used by the racialists on this board. No wonder you have all been spending so much energy and vitriol attempting to bury it.

I repeat the request.

Since you appear to see no shortage of "Racialists" about, and you claim it is their habit to make "Not All White People" arguments you should have no problem producing actual examples. You also appear to have lots of time on your hands and White-Privilege levels of internet access.

So, let's have some examples.

Now's the time for you to really expose a lot of people.

Already done. Actually, they did it for me.

As for your childish games, nope, not playing. Everyone here knows who has outed themselves as racialist, I certainly don't need to wave any banners.

 

[dismal]

I repeat the request.

Since you appear to see no shortage of "Racialists" about, and you claim it is their habit to make "Not All White People" arguments you should have no problem producing actual examples. You also appear to have lots of time on your hands and White-Privilege levels of internet access.

So, let's have some examples.

Now's the time for you to really expose a lot of people.

Already done. Actually, they did it for me.

As for your childish games, nope, not playing. Everyone here knows who has outed themselves as racialist, I certainly don't need to wave any banners.

OK, good. If the work has already been done you should be able to link it for us quickly and easily.

So, now where exactly are these examples of Highly Affected Racialists indulging in their "Not All White People" habit?

I think we all missed them the first time.

 

[Davka]

I told you, dismal, I'm not playing. You have no partner. You'll just have to go off and play with yourself.

I'm sure this won't be the first time that's happened to you.

 

[maxparrish]

3. Racism Denial. Highly Affected Racialists assert often, loudly, and confidently that racism is no longer a problem, and therefore cannot be at the root of any social ills in America. Whenever anything newsworthy occurs which appears to be steeped in racism, characterize it as an isolated incident. Individual racists may be admitted to exist, but the institution of racism must be assumed to have vanished completely at some vague, indeterminate time between the assassination of MLK Jr. and the election of President Obama.

5. Hyperfocus on Minutiae. Whenever a newsworthy race-related atrocity hits the media, Highly Affected Racialists spring into action to deflect the conversation away from the dangerous ground of societal wrongs, and onto the irrelevant “facts of the case.” This allows them to ignore the way that these incidents fit into the larger context of institutionalized racism, thus avoiding any potential learning opportunities. Instead of talking about how White America interacts with the Darker Nation, Highly Affected racialists can argue for hours, even days, about whether the policeman in question has a history of racism; whether the dead or injured black male was acting in a threatening manner; whether the DNA in the lab fits the witness reports, and on and on.

Racism, as traditionally understood, is not much of a problem. In regards to race, people can buy homes where they want, eat where they wish, attend whatever college they qualify for, vote in any election, and stay at any public accommodation. All firms of any size are hyper sensitive to employment diversity numbers, promotions, and EOC policing. Much to the regret of the race hucksters, the days of Bull Conner and Lester Maddox are long gone. And not unlike the few reasoning voices in Salem, we try to 'deflect' the conversation away from the dangerous ground of the Devil's imagined wrongs and unto the "irrelevant facts of the case" that the accused are not witches, and burning them in the town square are not warranted. Yes, we do tend to ignore the "larger context" of institutionalized Satanism and other overwrought cult fears.

6. The “Not All X” Defense. This is another tactic for deflecting the conversation away from the very real problem of racism in America. Any time that widespread racism is brought up, the Highly Affected Racialist can be heard to say “that’s not fair, not all white people are racist,” or “not all police are racist,” or some similar sentiment. This is a strawman argument, since nobody is actually arguing that all of any group are racist. This technique can be found in other arguments by bigots, in forms such as “not all men are rapists.” “not all rich business owners are greedy assholes,” “not all conservatives are misogynists,” and so on.

A strawman. To be contrasted with the "many or most are offense", and its counter, the "most are not defense". Its rather disingenuous to whine about racism as a huge problem in our institutions, and then pretend to only be talking about a small number of its members as racists.

 

[dismal]

I told you, dismal, I'm not playing. You have no partner. You'll just have to go off and play with yourself.

I'm sure this won't be the first time that's happened to you.

This is not "playing" this is you attempting to salvage some credibility.

If you can't produce a single example of an *actual* Highly Affected Racialist *actually* using the "Not All White People" argument you claim they use habitually you're going to look like a complete tool.

 

[maxparrish]

I told you, dismal, I'm not playing. You have no partner. You'll just have to go off and play with yourself.

I'm sure this won't be the first time that's happened to you.

This is not "playing" this is you attempting to salvage some credibility.

If you can't produce a single example of an *actual* Highly Affected Racialist *actually* using the "Not All White People" argument you claim they use habitually you're going to look like a complete tool.

Frankly, the "not all white people" pleading sounds a heck of a lot more typical of defensive liberals, folk who feel sympathetic to the rants of a race or gender grievance monger but who are also defensive, fearing that they might be lumped in with the demonized "white" or "male" group.

 

[dismal]

This is not "playing" this is you attempting to salvage some credibility.

If you can't produce a single example of an *actual* Highly Affected Racialist *actually* using the "Not All White People" argument you claim they use habitually you're going to look like a complete tool.

Frankly, the "not all white people" pleading sounds a heck of a lot more typical of defensive liberals, who feel sympathetic to rants of a race or gender grievance monger but who is defensive, fearing that they might be lumped in with the demonized "white" or "male" group.

Yeah, but we already agreed Davka saying he doesn't count as a white person in Athena's whiteness thread doesn't count.

 

[Rhea]

The trick, see, is to wait until someone ACTUALLY SAYS "all white people." Then go on your rampage.


until then,



we've officially established that it's quite prevalent.

It should be quite prevalent as it's virtually impossible to make a statement about white people that applies to All White People.
.

Show us such a statement [that something applies to all white people] that someone has made.

The humor here is that there is NO ONE SAYING THAT (certainly not on Athena's thread) and yet you are calling them hypocrites for something they are not doing. That is a strawman personified. It's number 6 personified.
It's fucking hilarious.

 

[dismal]

It should be quite prevalent as it's virtually impossible to make a statement about white people that applies to All White People.
.

Show us such a statement.

The humor here is that there is NO ONE SAYING THAT and yet you are calling them hypocrites for something they are not doing.
It's fucking hilarious.

Huh? You want me to show you an example of a statement I said is virtually impossible to make?

If you want to help Davka's credibility maybe you could provide some *actual* examples of *actual* Highly Affected Racialists *actually* using the "Not All White People" argument.

Then we can discuss those.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Davka, you keep saying "if you want to learn" but you have nothing to teach.

All you can teach is begging the question and ad hominem.

Your specialized definition with no relationship to the real world isn't something that I should learn, but something you should unlearn.


Loren, it's an unusual race card. Davka wants to speak for and on behalf of minorities, and by pointing out that I'm a minority and that I also disagree with his absurd definitions, and that I find his speaking for and on behalf of me to be demeaning and racist, I leave him at a severe disadvantage. He really doesn't know what to do about it. He is ready to say that anyone who dares to disagree with his absurd definitions is a racist, yet at the same time insists that minorities aren't racist. Now he's faced with a minority that disagrees with his absurd definitions. Yet he can't call me racist for disagreeing without calling himself a racist through the tu quoque point he made in which he said if you call a minority a racist that means you are a racist.

So now he wants to call me a racist but can't, because I'm a minority disagreeing with him. I didn't deal the race card from the bottom of the deck, I dealt it as a trump card.

I never called you a racist, or any of the other things you have attributed to me. You are certainly engaging regularly in race-bigotry on this board, as well as narrow-minded pigheadedness, but that has nothing to do with your race. You seem to be a racialist, but not a racist. That's not uncommon.

Exactly. By your own rules you can't call me racist without calling yourself racist. Now I wonder if that also applies to "racialist" or if that is exempt from your tu quoque argument.

By the way, you accuse me of regularly engaging in race bigotry on this board. I assume you can come up with example of that? I suspect you are going to support that point as well as you support all other points: by declaration from on high, by refusing to "play a game", and by declaring it already proven.

 

[Rhea]

If you can't produce a single example of an *actual* Highly Affected Racialist *actually* using the "Not All White People" argument you claim they use habitually you're going to look like a complete tool.

Yeah, but we already agreed Davka saying he doesn't count as a white person in Athena's whiteness thread doesn't count.

OMG you can't make this shit up.

 

[Rhea]

Show us such a statement.

The humor here is that there is NO ONE SAYING THAT and yet you are calling them hypocrites for something they are not doing.
It's fucking hilarious.

Huh? You want me to show you an example of a statement I said is virtually impossible to make?
.

No dismal, I want you to show a statement of anyone even trying. So that your complaint that someone is trying to excuse themselves from that group is explained.

But, never mind. You just carry on saying Davka's using #6 which requires him to claim that someone said "all whites" in order for him to counter claim "not all whites." And then keep failing to say who or where this "all whites" statement lies.

Or carry on saying that Athena said "all whites" when she obviously didn't.

Either way, just... please proceed.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Huh? You want me to show you an example of a statement I said is virtually impossible to make?
.

No dismal, I want you to show a statement of anyone even trying. So that your complaint that someone is trying to excuse themselves from that group is explained.

But, never mind. You just carry on saying Davka's using #6 which requires him to claim that someone said "all whites" in order for him to counter claim "not all whites." And then keep failing to say who or where this "all whites" statement lies.

Or carry on saying that Athena said "all whites" when she obviously didn't.

Either way, just... please proceed.

If I said 1/1000 the things i get accused of saying on these boards, I would have talked myself and every poster on these forums to death long ago.