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Will bird flu be the next pandemic?

 
 
 
Morons fired a pile of people critical for combating Bird Flu and now having trouble rehiring.

The Trump administration touted a nearly $1 billion plan Wednesday to combat the spread of avian flu and mitigate skyrocketing egg prices as the outbreak rips through poultry flocks across the United States.

But the measures come as the Agriculture Department is struggling to rehire key employees working on the virus outbreak who were fired as part of the administration’s sweeping purge of government workers. Roughly a quarter of employees in a critical office testing for the disease were cut, as well as scientists and inspectors.

The dismissals have already helped trigger a partial shutdown at one of the department’s research facilities, according to two USDA employees, interrupting some workers’ efforts to fight bird flu and help livestock recover from illness.

Now, agency officials are running into logistical challenges in reinstating its bird flu staff — and convincing them to return to jobs while the president repeatedly attempts to squeeze government workers.
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With a pile of incompetents heading up all of the effected agencies, I fully expect them to screw this up.

 
Here in Texas, measles is the next epidemic. There are currently a couple of hundred cases state-wide and one child (unvaccinated) has died.
 
Tharmas said:
Here in Texas, measles is the next epidemic. There are currently a couple of hundred cases state-wide and one child (unvaccinated) has died.
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Anti-vaccine morons.

Ya. I wonder if crazy RFKjr will ban the MMR vaccine.

I imagine I got the vaccine as a kid. Hard to think that I wouldn't have. But I want to see if I can find any of those records in my dad's files. CDC recommends that people born after 1957 who can't find records that they were vaccinated consider getting the shot.
 
crazyfingers said:
Morons fired a pile of people critical for combating Bird Flu and now having trouble rehiring.

The Trump administration touted a nearly $1 billion plan Wednesday to combat the spread of avian flu and mitigate skyrocketing egg prices as the outbreak rips through poultry flocks across the United States.

But the measures come as the Agriculture Department is struggling to rehire key employees working on the virus outbreak who were fired as part of the administration’s sweeping purge of government workers. Roughly a quarter of employees in a critical office testing for the disease were cut, as well as scientists and inspectors.

The dismissals have already helped trigger a partial shutdown at one of the department’s research facilities, according to two USDA employees, interrupting some workers’ efforts to fight bird flu and help livestock recover from illness.

Now, agency officials are running into logistical challenges in reinstating its bird flu staff — and convincing them to return to jobs while the president repeatedly attempts to squeeze government workers.
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With a pile of incompetents heading up all of the effected agencies, I fully expect them to screw this up.

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I'm sure those fired government employees will just find industry jobs working on the virus outbreak, right? That seems to be the overall sentiment about civil servants losing their jobs. They'll just go find "real" jobs, after a career developing an expertise that only the government does. That makes sense, right?
 
We may have to get used to more expensive eggs. The problem is in part the way the chickens are kept. I think if there was some incentive for the farmers to reduce the population in the houses. The spread of the flue would be easier to control.
It was all driven by profit and subsidies and not good farm practices.
Eggs are packed with a lot of nutrients. They should be kind of expensive.
 
Shadowy Man said:
crazyfingers said:
Morons fired a pile of people critical for combating Bird Flu and now having trouble rehiring.

The Trump administration touted a nearly $1 billion plan Wednesday to combat the spread of avian flu and mitigate skyrocketing egg prices as the outbreak rips through poultry flocks across the United States.

But the measures come as the Agriculture Department is struggling to rehire key employees working on the virus outbreak who were fired as part of the administration’s sweeping purge of government workers. Roughly a quarter of employees in a critical office testing for the disease were cut, as well as scientists and inspectors.

The dismissals have already helped trigger a partial shutdown at one of the department’s research facilities, according to two USDA employees, interrupting some workers’ efforts to fight bird flu and help livestock recover from illness.

Now, agency officials are running into logistical challenges in reinstating its bird flu staff — and convincing them to return to jobs while the president repeatedly attempts to squeeze government workers.
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With a pile of incompetents heading up all of the effected agencies, I fully expect them to screw this up.

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I'm sure those fired government employees will just find industry jobs working on the virus outbreak, right? That seems to be the overall sentiment about civil servants losing their jobs. They'll just go find "real" jobs, after a career developing an expertise that only the government does. That makes sense, right?
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We had more sense than that with Russia. The ISS is basically a jobs program for the Russian rocket industry to keep them from taking the only job they could find: building rockets for third world assholes.
 
Kennedy working on screwing this up.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the nation’s top health official, has an unorthodox idea for tackling the bird flu bedeviling U.S. poultry farms. Let the virus rip.

Instead of culling birds when the infection is discovered, farmers “should consider maybe the possibility of letting it run through the flock so that we can identify the birds, and preserve the birds, that are immune to it,” Mr. Kennedy said recently on Fox News.

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Yet veterinary scientists said letting the virus sweep through poultry flocks unchecked would be inhumane and dangerous, and have enormous economic consequences.

“That’s a really terrible idea, for any one of a number of reasons,” said Dr. Gail Hansen, a former state veterinarian for Kansas.

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Every infection is another opportunity for the virus, called H5N1, to evolve into a more virulent form. Geneticists have been tracking its mutations closely; so far, the virus has not developed the ability to spread among people.

But if H5N1 were to be allowed to run through a flock of five million birds, “that’s literally five million chances for that virus to replicate or to mutate,” Dr. Hansen said.

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Large numbers of infected birds are likely to transmit massive amounts of the virus, putting farm workers and other animals at great risk.

“So now you’re setting yourself up for bad things to happen,” Dr. Hansen said. “It’s a recipe for disaster.”

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“The way we raise birds now, there’s not a lot of genetic variability,” Dr. Hansen said. “They’re all the same bird, basically.”

Public health regulations would forbid the very few birds that might survive an infection from being sold. In any event, those birds might only be protected against the current version of H5N1, not others that emerge as the virus continues to evolve.

“The biology and the immunology doesn’t work that way,” said Dr. Keith Poulsen, the director of the Wisconsin Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory.

Letting the virus spread unchecked would also likely lead to trade embargoes against poultry from the United States, he added: “There’s a huge economic loss immediately.”

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In one interview with Fox News, Mr. Kennedy also suggested that the virus “doesn’t appear to hurt wild birds — they have some kind of immunity.”

In fact, while ducks and shorebirds may not show symptoms, H5N1 has killed raptors, waterfowl, sand hill cranes and snow geese, among many other species.
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www.nytimes.com

Kennedy’s Alarming Prescription for Bird Flu on Poultry Farms

The health secretary has suggested allowing the virus to spread, so as to identify birds that may be immune. Such an experiment would be disastrous, scientists say.
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The American CDC is not allowed to communicate with WHO? On any topic? What is the purpose of that?

How much of this nonsense is just SPITE? Scientific types don't like Trump, so Trump is motivated to sabotage their science just out of spite.
Literally the entire government is being sabotaged just for Trump's grifts and to vent his childish emotions. And because all the sabotage pleases pals like Putin.

I suppose this doesn't apply to RFK, Jr. He's just a fool with an overinflated opinion of himself. Trump views that appointment as pissing off the scientists -- a goal. He might be smart enough to understand that appointing RFK to head HHS was itself a nice sabotage against American health: increased hospitalizations will degrade prosperity. Trump hardly cares about that one way or the other, but knows it pleases his pal Vlad.

I cannot relate the behavior of Trump, Musk and other stars of the MAGA team to anything sensible even if we stipulate that their political goals are as wild as imaginable. Is this how others view the Trump-47 Administration? Am I losing my mind? Are we all?
 
From reporting we are a few maintains away form a strain that more easily passes form human to human.
 
crazyfingers said:
Swammerdami said:
How much of this nonsense is just SPITE?
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Probably mostly spite. The rest probably he doesn't want WHO making sensible suggestions to the CDC.
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Or a way to spite the Western democracies since CDC probably has the best scientists.
He's not worried about also spiting friends like Russia since he already gives them all the proprietary info he can.
 
steve_bank said:
From reporting we are a few maintains away form a strain that more easily passes form human to human.
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I don't think that is particularly the concern. While a transmissive version human to human would likely be very bad, the bigger issue is this thing is settling mammals and stirring, reproducing, coming up with newer versions that could make this hard to impossible to bottle up, and it becomes endemic.
 
WE created this issue, yet it is animals that pay the price
What if Aliens armed with much, much superior tech enslaved us? Kept us in cages, naked, overcrowded
We will eat there, poop there, procreate there, fight, bleed and in such overcrowded & horrible conditions get sick there
And what if our sickness is transmitted to one of the alien kids and he/she dies?
Of course the solution is to mass murder, er, Cull us ALL
We would be screaming how that is not right, we deserve better
But animals get no such rights
They are kept in horrible, overcrowded conditions, no wonder they get sick
We made their life hell and yet they pay the price
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When i buy eggs I make sure I am buying eggs that say the chickens are free-range
though not sure if that is just a marketing technique - how exactly free are they?
Are they kept in cages all day long and only let out for a few minutes every day?
Or are they really free as they used to be back in the old days on farms
One of the prettiest sights to see is a hen clucking about pecking the ground, with its golden babies in tow, chirping away
Sad to understand that we have taken that life away from these chickens
 
The first step is realizing we are one species of animal out of many. Given the chance wolves, lions, mosquitos, and bacteria will make a meal of you.

We are what evolution has made us to be despite the thin veneer of our 'civilized; behavior.

Twilight Zone episode To Serve Man . ET arrives and provides all shorts of benefits. They carry a book and humans could only figure out the title, To Serve Man. Turns out it was a cookbook and and ET turned Earth into a farm to raise humans for food.


Full episode

 
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