What is a Social Justice Warrior?

[Jimmy Higgins]

The term is intended as mockery, not to equate them with people who are trying to address actual injustices.

I also thought this an obviously ironic term.

Both SJW and "Political Correct" have real legit meanings with real legit cases. Both are taken too far by some conservatives, and so both are dismissed by some liberals as masks for conservative hate speech, etc. Perhaps Americans are too blinded by extreme political polarization to see this?

I'm starting to get a migraine. The two things represent completely different issues.

SJW is about loud mouth assholes who want to make a living off of the scorn of social injustices they don't give a fuck about. These social injustices can actually be real and significant or they can be molehills being propped up as mountains for income sake.

"Political Correct" is a bullshit right-wing term to demonize the idea that people should be a bit more sensitive to interacting with other people. Calling someone a "retard" as an insult can be detrimental to people that actually suffer from Downs Syndrome.

There are people out there that complain too much or are too sensitive or too naive. But this SJW stuff is a label with a particular meaning that has been voided by another group of people who want to hijack it to mean something else.

 

[laughing dog]

There are people out there that complain too much or are too sensitive or too naive. But this SJW stuff is a label with a particular meaning that has been voided by another group of people who want to hijack it to mean something else.

Exactly. Perhaps the issue that these hijackers and their dupes do not really have any empathy for such tactics. So, I have a suggestion. The use of the term "Social Justice Warrior" without knowing anything about the sincerity of the person or their knowledge reasonably suggests a rather knee-jerk, intolerant and dogmatic conservative view of the world. I think such facile users of "Social Justice Warriors" are reasonably described as Religious Rightists^tm.

 

[Terrell]

Mockery goes both ways. If it's fair game to use it for your own ends, why shouldn't it be fair game for your opponents to use as well?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Mockery goes both ways. If it's fair game to use it for your own ends, why shouldn't it be fair game for your opponents to use as well?

The issue is SJW label applies to phonies, not oversensitive people.

 

[Terrell]

Mockery goes both ways. If it's fair game to use it for your own ends, why shouldn't it be fair game for your opponents to use as well?

The issue is SJW label applies to phonies, not oversensitive people.

I'm okay with mockery being used as a tool against either. I do expect that a person using such a thing also be able to make a coherent argument to support their side of an argument, so while it has it's place it doesn't substitute for an argument.

 

[Playball40]

Interesting read on the evolution of the phrase 'social justice warrior'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...a-gamergate-insult-is-now-a-dictionary-entry/

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Great, so the term has various meanings. Originally used as a compliment, then twisting towards ironic insult, but a bit vague on the exact target.

 

[Derec]

"Political Correct" is a bullshit right-wing term to demonize the idea that people should be a bit more sensitive to interacting with other people.

No, political correctness is a useful term for demands for over-sensitivity and shutting down debate out of desire not to offend certain groups. And another ingredient of political correctness is the double standard, the way this oversensitivity is demanded for certain groups only, while it is perfectly PC to insult white, heterosexual cis-men.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

"Political Correct" is a bullshit right-wing term to demonize the idea that people should be a bit more sensitive to interacting with other people.

No, political correctness is a useful term for demands for over-sensitivity and shutting down debate out of desire not to offend certain groups.

How come the term is never used in that way?

And another ingredient of political correctness is the double standard, the way this oversensitivity is demanded for certain groups only, while it is perfectly PC to insult white, heterosexual cis-men.

It is?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I'm starting to get a migraine. The two things represent completely different issues.

Didn't say otherwise.

No, political correctness is a useful term for demands for over-sensitivity and shutting down debate out of desire not to offend certain groups.

How come the term is never used in that way?

It is. I have heard it used exactly that way, and that is the proper way to use it. Unfortunately some people abuse it and do indeed use it as a mask for bigotry.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No, political correctness is a useful term for demands for over-sensitivity and shutting down debate out of desire not to offend certain groups.

How come the term is never used in that way?

Oh it is. Trust me... it is.

And another ingredient of political correctness is the double standard, the way this oversensitivity is demanded for certain groups only, while it is perfectly PC to insult white, heterosexual cis-men.

It is?

I've been personally insulted for being white by a black person once in my life, to my knowledge. I got over it.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I saw a video recently that made me think of this thread.

Now I know anything I saw about SJWs will be attacked on what I consider ridiculous grounds, so I'll let others do the talking for me. Now this video is about feminism, but don't forget "intersectional feminism".

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf_mNiMKNlE[/youtube]

Literally everything and everyone is problematic

Everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic, and you have to point it all out

All cis-gendered people are transphobic. Just as all men hold misogynistic views and all white people are racist.

It's really hard being triggered all the time, and I'm not kidding, it's all the time at this point. I get dressed in the morning, I'm triggered. I take a shower, I'm triggered. I get in the car, I'm triggered. I go for a walk, I'm triggered. I leave my house, I'm triggered. I sit in my room all day, I'm triggered.

We know this corrupt decadent white-supremacist capitalist patriarchy - hetero patriarchy - doesn't give a shit about any of us that are pushing back against it.

Do these people represent SJW in any way? Would I be wrong to call them SJW?

If they are SJW, then the criticisms of SJW are actually valid. If they aren't, then when will the real SJWs tell them to bugger off?

 

[Arctish]

I saw a video recently that made me think of this thread.

Now I know anything I saw about SJWs will be attacked on what I consider ridiculous grounds, so I'll let others do the talking for me. Now this video is about feminism, but don't forget "intersectional feminism".

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Do these people represent SJW in any way?

They represent SJWs in the mind of Sargon of Akkad (real name: Carl Benjamin), an anti-progressive, anti-feminist YouTube celebrity who greatest fame came during the height of the Gamergate controversy when he relentlessly harassed and attacked women who dared complain about being harassed and attacked by guys like him. He's probably done more to promote the Gamergater use of SJW as a pejorative than anyone else, so I suppose that makes him an authority of sorts.

Would I be wrong to call them SJW?

If they are SJW, then the criticisms of SJW are actually valid. If they aren't, then when will the real SJWs tell them to bugger off?

That video is nothing but a collection of tiny snippets of dialog, discourse, and argument. It's impossible to understand the point each speaker is making because we aren't given enough of their words to discern it. We get dropped into the middle of arguments with no knowledge of what started it, or who, or why. In fact, in most cases we aren't even getting complete sentences, just fragments.

So I don't think real SJWs would tell them to bugger off just yet. IMO, real SJWs would know better than to take Sargon of Akkad's YouTube videos at face value, especially one that looks like a mishmash of soundbites spackled into a wall of propaganda. They would be far more likely to try to come to a better understanding of each person's point of view before deciding how to respond.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So when someone featured in the video tells us that all cis-genered people are transphobic, all men are misogynistic, all white people are racist, and all straight people are homophobic, is that representative of SJW thought?

Note, Sargon of Akkad didn't add any commentary to that video. His own position can only be discerned through what he chose from what he chose to share from what others said.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I thought we concluded that SJW is a term that has two competing meanings (actually three).

1. Jack off that doesn't give a fuck, but uses social issues to pretend to be angry in order to get attention and money.
2. Over-reactive person on a social issue or set of social issues.
3. Anyone that doesn't agree with far right wingers on social issues. (SJW is the new PC label)

Also, that one can find people with extreme views on the Internet isn't exactly a shocking surprise, nor should it be the basis of broad brushing entire groups of people. There are radical feminists, liberal feminists, feminists, etc... One YouTube video doesn't prove something that we didn't already know.

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So when someone featured in the video tells us that all cis-genered people are transphobic, all men are misogynistic, all white people are racist, and all straight people are homophobic, is that representative of SJW thought?

Here is the problem. You complain about broad brushing, while broad brushing yourself.

 

[repoman]

That Milo lady (the blonde with the black rim glasses) is a gender confusion troll (transtrender) who gets off on riling people up. Not indicative of anything. The others, not sure.

Many legitimate transgender people are calling her that and they also say that the label transtrender is a term that should not be used lightly.



Edit: this video is made by a transgender person. Go to 6:20 for the evidence directly from Milo.

This response is even better. From a FTM transgender:




Finally, I think that Sargon should not have used Milo as an example when he has plenty of earnest, non attention seeker "SJW"s out there.

 

[iolo]

It is like 'political correctness' - a simple lie, to cover decency in any form with rightist spittle. The Nazis learned from Goebbels that if you are going to tell lies, tell the biggest you can.

 

[KeepTalking]

So when someone featured in the video tells us that all cis-genered people are transphobic, all men are misogynistic, all white people are racist, and all straight people are homophobic, is that representative of SJW thought?

It is representative of incorrect thought. The person telling us that may identify as a SJW, or they may simply be labelled as such by someone else, it doesn't mean that their incorrect thinking represents anyone else who labels themselves, or is labelled by others as, a SJW. I am sure there are libertarians that express thoughts that you disagree with, just as there are progressives that express thoughts that I disagree with. You and I would both object to having those thoughts thrust upon us, as if we agree with them, just because we share a similar political ideology.

 

[Trausti]

It is like 'political correctness' - a simple lie, to cover decency in any form with rightist spittle. The Nazis learned from Goebbels that if you are going to tell lies, tell the biggest you can.

 

[laughing dog]

It is like 'political correctness' - a simple lie, to cover decency in any form with rightist spittle. The Nazis learned from Goebbels that if you are going to tell lies, tell the biggest you can.

Well, that explains the conservative snowflake mentality.