Trump the Great Unifier

[hinduwoman]

Nice article from someone not in USA:

But the one title that Trump truly deserves is that of ‘Great Unifier’. After all, just about every time he opens his mouth he ends up uniting people against him. Take the Latinos, an increasingly important voting demographic in the US. According to the Centre for American Progress, they accounted for 8.4pc of the electorate in the 2012 polls, which was an increase of 15pc from 2008. With about 800,000 Latinos turning 18 (and thus becoming eligible to vote) every year, Latinos will likely account for 13pc of all eligible voters in 2016.

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Thanks to Trump, that’s now changing. In June this year, Trump said of Mexican immigrants: “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.” Later, he refused to retract those comments and even defended them. One result of this is that Latin voters are now registering in greater numbers thanks to appeals from the community and Latin celebrities like Shakira and Ricky Martin. In one popular campaign commercial, a Latin mother implores her daughter to vote in order to “shut Trump’s big mouth”
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Less significant in terms of voting strength, the traditionally fractious US Muslim community is also getting organised thanks to Trump’s repeated assaults
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Shouts of ‘White Power,’ and ‘Sieg Heil’ have been heard at Trump rallies and recently, when a black protester was roughed up by the crowd at a Trump rally (after Trump called on the crowd to ‘throw him out’) people in the crowd called for the man to be shot and set on fire. As one can imagine, this is also likely to have a wonderfully unifying effect on the black vote.

See it is as Trump himself said, he is the great unifier.

 

[SimpleDon]

Nice article from someone not in USA:

But the one title that Trump truly deserves is that of ‘Great Unifier’. After all, just about every time he opens his mouth he ends up uniting people against him. Take the Latinos, an increasingly important voting demographic in the US. According to the Centre for American Progress, they accounted for 8.4pc of the electorate in the 2012 polls, which was an increase of 15pc from 2008. With about 800,000 Latinos turning 18 (and thus becoming eligible to vote) every year, Latinos will likely account for 13pc of all eligible voters in 2016.

...
Thanks to Trump, that’s now changing. In June this year, Trump said of Mexican immigrants: “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.” Later, he refused to retract those comments and even defended them. One result of this is that Latin voters are now registering in greater numbers thanks to appeals from the community and Latin celebrities like Shakira and Ricky Martin. In one popular campaign commercial, a Latin mother implores her daughter to vote in order to “shut Trump’s big mouth”
...
Less significant in terms of voting strength, the traditionally fractious US Muslim community is also getting organised thanks to Trump’s repeated assaults
...
Shouts of ‘White Power,’ and ‘Sieg Heil’ have been heard at Trump rallies and recently, when a black protester was roughed up by the crowd at a Trump rally (after Trump called on the crowd to ‘throw him out’) people in the crowd called for the man to be shot and set on fire. As one can imagine, this is also likely to have a wonderfully unifying effect on the black vote.

See it is as Trump himself said, he is the great unifier.

There is only one thing that is new and different about Trump. We use to say that conservatives relied on racist, nativist, know nothing, homophobic, anarchist and xenophobic coded messages and dog whistles. All that Trump is doing is that he is saying these things out loud without the coding. But these things have been at the core of movement conservativism since the beginning.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Nice article from someone not in USA:



See it is as Trump himself said, he is the great unifier.

There is only one thing that is new and different about Trump. We use to say that conservatives relied on racist, nativist, know nothing, homophobic, anarchist and xenophobic coded messages and dog whistles. All that Trump is doing is that he is saying these things out loud without the coding. But these things have been at the core of movement conservativism since the beginning.

I'd go further and say these attributes have come to define it. Were it not for the single issue voters like homophobes or so-called "pro-lifers," the GOP - at least at the federal level - ought to toss in the towel. It will take longer to dismantle their gerrymandered districts but that will eventually happen.

It was cute after they lost to Obama again how they squirmed to give lip service to the working man and not only their sacred "job creators." That had to hurt their egos. Now that becomes even more specific and they are forced to talk about blacks and latinos and persons without healthcare. They're self-defeated, desperate and divided - and deserving of same.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nice article from someone not in USA:



See it is as Trump himself said, he is the great unifier.

There is only one thing that is new and different about Trump. We use to say that conservatives relied on racist, nativist, know nothing, homophobic, anarchist and xenophobic coded messages and dog whistles. All that Trump is doing is that he is saying these things out loud without the coding. But these things have been at the core of movement conservativism since the beginning.

Yup. The dog whistles were being blown in '08 and '12. And when someone mistook a regular whistle for a dog whistle, trouble happened (see Todd Akins). It is incredible that Trump continues to get away with saying almost anything! He hasn't called Obama the N-Word™, but that is about the level he hasn't fallen to.

It'd be a miracle if he won more than 42% of the woman vote with his FOX moderator comments and the "schlonged" comment about Hillary in '08.

 

[Malintent]

There has been such a rash of flat-out-lies coming from the media lately... more than the usual, "is Obama an ISIS member? We'll tell you at 11:00, stay tuned". We are seeing complete fabrications coming out of the media lately, such as Trumps supposed "Muslims should be registered in a national database" scandal... completely fabricated and based on a complete fabrication on the reporter's part.

So, in light of all this, I dragged out the original quote from Trump about this alleged "Mexicans are all rapists" so-called "quote" from Trump. this is what he said:

The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems. [Applause] Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.


Why wouldn't the headline read, "Trump says 'Mexico is sending us some good people, and some bad, despite them coming here illegally"?


edited to add:

OMFG... just found this, in relation to (what I will now call a flat out quote mine):

Trump told Fox News [regarding the quote above], three days after a purported illegal Mexican immigrant deported five previous times allegedly killed a woman in San Francisco.

He was talking about a fucking murderer that came here illegally 5 fucking times.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

OMFG... just found this, in relation to (what I will now call a flat out quote mine):

Trump told Fox News [regarding the quote above], three days after a purported illegal Mexican immigrant deported five previous times allegedly killed a woman in San Francisco.

He was talking about a fucking murderer that came here illegally 5 fucking times.

The full quote is from his Presidential Run announcement speech. Let's look at the entire quote regarding Mexico and it's alleged dominance over the United States.

When do we beat Mexico at the border? They're laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they're killing us economically. The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.

Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

You are aware of passive aggressive right? And the above isn't very passive. Let's look at the positive and negatives about Mexico.

Negatives

They're laughing at us, at our stupidity.
And now they are beating us economically.
They are not our friend, believe me.
The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.
It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best.
They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us.
They're bringing drugs.
They're bringing crime.
They're rapists.

Positive (kind of a stretch)

And some, I assume, are good people.

Now let's look at the list. In context, what actual tone is Trump sending about Mexico up above? Trump isn't saying all Mexicans are rapists, he says Mexico is sending their drugs, criminals, and rapists to America. That isn't that much better of a thing to say.

 

[SimpleDon]

There has been such a rash of flat-out-lies coming from the media lately... more than the usual, "is Obama an ISIS member? We'll tell you at 11:00, stay tuned". We are seeing complete fabrications coming out of the media lately, such as Trumps supposed "Muslims should be registered in a national database" scandal... completely fabricated and based on a complete fabrication on the reporter's part.

So, in light of all this, I dragged out the original quote from Trump about this alleged "Mexicans are all rapists" so-called "quote" from Trump. this is what he said:

The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems. [Applause] Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.


Why wouldn't the headline read, "Trump says 'Mexico is sending us some good people, and some bad, despite them coming here illegally"?


edited to add:

OMFG... just found this, in relation to (what I will now call a flat out quote mine):

Trump told Fox News [regarding the quote above], three days after a purported illegal Mexican immigrant deported five previous times allegedly killed a woman in San Francisco.

He was talking about a fucking murderer that came here illegally 5 fucking times.

So you accept Trump's characterization of Mexicans as being accurate?

 

[SimpleDon]

Once again, the argument about illegal immigration is an argument between the establishment Republicans who want more immigration, both illegal and legal, to suppress the wages of the poor and the middle class and the Blud und Boden, (blood and soil,) nativist conservatives, to maintain some vague, largely undefined idea of racial and ethnic purity.

Virtually everyone else in the country wants immigration to be reduced to prevent downward pressure on wages. The same reason why most other people want some normalization of the 11 to 12 million illegals in the country, especially those who have children who are American citizens. No one wants these children who are being supported by their parents right now to possibly being separated from their parents and put into child protective services. Why do we want these things? Because we are normal human beings.

And I for one don't want a guess worker program. I want immigrants here who are interested and invested in this country and its future. I saw the guest worker program in Germany. I know that they have said that never again will they have such a program. If we need immigrants to do work in this country they should be integrated into the country, and invested in the country.

And we will need additional workers in this country. Our birth rate is dropping and our economy will very shortly struggle to replace and to support our retirees. Economists can't explain the decades long recession and depression in Japan. I can with a single sentence. Japan severely limits immigration.

In general immigrants are self-motivated individuals. Most people don't appreciate what a difficult discussion it is to leave your own native country and culture. And immigrants, both legal and illegal, are much more law abiding than the native citizens. The illegals especially don't want to draw attention to themselves. And they certainly don't try to vote, an excuse that Republicans use to justify their disenfranchisement of minorities, the elderly and the disabled by imposing unnecessary voter requirements.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Nice article from someone not in USA:

But the one title that Trump truly deserves is that of ‘Great Unifier’. After all, just about every time he opens his mouth he ends up uniting people against him. Take the Latinos, an increasingly important voting demographic in the US. According to the Centre for American Progress, they accounted for 8.4pc of the electorate in the 2012 polls, which was an increase of 15pc from 2008. With about 800,000 Latinos turning 18 (and thus becoming eligible to vote) every year, Latinos will likely account for 13pc of all eligible voters in 2016.

...
Thanks to Trump, that’s now changing. In June this year, Trump said of Mexican immigrants: “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.” Later, he refused to retract those comments and even defended them. One result of this is that Latin voters are now registering in greater numbers thanks to appeals from the community and Latin celebrities like Shakira and Ricky Martin. In one popular campaign commercial, a Latin mother implores her daughter to vote in order to “shut Trump’s big mouth”
...
Less significant in terms of voting strength, the traditionally fractious US Muslim community is also getting organised thanks to Trump’s repeated assaults
...
Shouts of ‘White Power,’ and ‘Sieg Heil’ have been heard at Trump rallies and recently, when a black protester was roughed up by the crowd at a Trump rally (after Trump called on the crowd to ‘throw him out’) people in the crowd called for the man to be shot and set on fire. As one can imagine, this is also likely to have a wonderfully unifying effect on the black vote.

See it is as Trump himself said, he is the great unifier.

The majority tend to support his views on immigration. He is calling for deportation of illegal immigrants (merely enforcing existing laws) and building a huge wall on the US border which is not a bad idea, also for security reasons. Illegal immigration has brought in genuine workers but also drug cartels so laws to allow speedier deportation should be enforced, though this will entail quite a bit of expense. He seems to be in favour of people coming to America but through the legal process.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Unless they're Muslims, of course.

 

[fast]

There has been such a rash of flat-out-lies coming from the media lately... more than the usual, "is Obama an ISIS member? We'll tell you at 11:00, stay tuned". We are seeing complete fabrications coming out of the media lately, such as Trumps supposed "Muslims should be registered in a national database" scandal... completely fabricated and based on a complete fabrication on the reporter's part.

So, in light of all this, I dragged out the original quote from Trump about this alleged "Mexicans are all rapists" so-called "quote" from Trump. this is what he said:

The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems. [Applause] Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.


Why wouldn't the headline read, "Trump says 'Mexico is sending us some good people, and some bad, despite them coming here illegally"?


edited to add:

OMFG... just found this, in relation to (what I will now call a flat out quote mine):

Trump told Fox News [regarding the quote above], three days after a purported illegal Mexican immigrant deported five previous times allegedly killed a woman in San Francisco.

He was talking about a fucking murderer that came here illegally 5 fucking times.

So you accept Trump's characterization of Mexicans as being accurate?

I don't see that Mr. Trump has characterized Mexicans. I suspect that he has a positive view of Mexicans, but based on what he said, he neither characterized them positively or negatively.

 

[whichphilosophy]

There has been such a rash of flat-out-lies coming from the media lately... more than the usual, "is Obama an ISIS member? We'll tell you at 11:00, stay tuned". We are seeing complete fabrications coming out of the media lately, such as Trumps supposed "Muslims should be registered in a national database" scandal... completely fabricated and based on a complete fabrication on the reporter's part.

So, in light of all this, I dragged out the original quote from Trump about this alleged "Mexicans are all rapists" so-called "quote" from Trump. this is what he said:

The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems. [Applause] Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.


Why wouldn't the headline read, "Trump says 'Mexico is sending us some good people, and some bad, despite them coming here illegally"?


edited to add:

OMFG... just found this, in relation to (what I will now call a flat out quote mine):

Trump told Fox News [regarding the quote above], three days after a purported illegal Mexican immigrant deported five previous times allegedly killed a woman in San Francisco.

He was talking about a fucking murderer that came here illegally 5 fucking times.

So you accept Trump's characterization of Mexicans as being accurate?

Every country has a right to take measures to protect its citizens not only from its own criminals but from those who come in from abroad. He was hardly characterising a Mexican but questioning why he should have been allowed in the first place. Had the border been more secure the woman who was murdered may still be alive now.

 

[Malintent]

Unless they're Muslims, of course.

Sorry, I'm not taking that bait.

 

[Malintent]

OMFG... just found this, in relation to (what I will now call a flat out quote mine):

Trump told Fox News [regarding the quote above], three days after a purported illegal Mexican immigrant deported five previous times allegedly killed a woman in San Francisco.

He was talking about a fucking murderer that came here illegally 5 fucking times.

The full quote is from his Presidential Run announcement speech. Let's look at the entire quote regarding Mexico and it's alleged dominance over the United States.

When do we beat Mexico at the border? They're laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they're killing us economically. The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.

Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

You are aware of passive aggressive right? And the above isn't very passive. Let's look at the positive and negatives about Mexico.

Negatives

They're laughing at us, at our stupidity.
And now they are beating us economically.
They are not our friend, believe me.
The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.
It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best.
They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us.
They're bringing drugs.
They're bringing crime.
They're rapists.

Positive (kind of a stretch)

And some, I assume, are good people.

Now let's look at the list. In context, what actual tone is Trump sending about Mexico up above? Trump isn't saying all Mexicans are rapists, he says Mexico is sending their drugs, criminals, and rapists to America. That isn't that much better of a thing to say.

Yes. Trump was speaking negatively about illegal immigrants from Mexico that cause harm to Americans. Correct.
He did not say, imply, or likely believes that "Mexicans are nothing but rapists", as the headlines read.

 

[arkirk]

Any Mexican in my book is a cut above Donald Trump. He is a vicious despicable person. That being said, why is he so popular with the Repuglicans? Do these people have a bad diet or something? Trump is a fear salesman. That is about as low as it gets. We had another one that was as exceptional as the Donald and his name was Dick.

 

[fast]

Any Mexican in my book is a cut above Donald Trump. He is a vicious despicable person. That being said, why is he so popular with the Repuglicans? Do these people have a bad diet or something? Trump is a fear salesman. That is about as low as it gets. We had another one that was as exceptional as the Donald and his name was Dick.

"Any Mexican" is going too far.

 

[BH]

Someone made the comment about the GOP getting votes simply because of its stance on abortion.

Just curious, but if the Democrats actually nominated someone who thought abortion was wrong and should not be legal I wonder how many of those GOP voters would be willing to vote Democratic? I have heard so many people where I live say "I'd vote for the Democrats but for that abortion issue..." I know that isn't scientific but I wonder if anyone has done a study that is.

 

[untermensche]

I like how Trump talks about Mexico as if it were one single person with one mind and one set of values.

It is blatant ignorance but with some Republicans it sells.