Sudan Massacre

[TSwizzle]

Indeed, they don’t give a shit about darkies killing each other, particularly when those darkies are Christian darkies.

Muslim darkies are being killed too.

They aren't being killed by jooooos though.

Does that make the killings better to you? I don't get why you're saying this.

I thought it was obvious but unless it's Jews, it isn't news.

 

[Derec]

Does that make the killings better to you? I don't get why you're saying this.

TSwizzle is clearly parodying the western fauxgressives who protest against Israel (even going as far as praising Hamas and 10/7) but ignore much worse things happening elsewhere. Despite UAE's involvement in Sudan Civil War, BDS is not calling to boycott, divest from and sanction the Emirates for example. There are no Sudan-related campus occupations either.

 

[Gospel]

You are certainly grading Europeans on a different scale.

That’s just how you feel, because you haven't offered any evidence outside of your feelings to back up the claim.

 

[Gospel]

Neither are the cultures for whose sins you always blame Europeans "you".

Oh wow, so either you're making the claim that ethnic cleansing didn’t originate with Europeans or history shouldn’t be mentioned when it involves Europeans because Derec stops feeling warm and cozy inside. Got it.

 

[DBT]

Tribal warfare is as old as humankind. Even the Chimps do it.

 

[laughing dog]

Indeed, they don’t give a shit about darkies killing each other, particularly when those darkies are Christian darkies.

Muslim darkies are being killed too.

They aren't being killed by jooooos though.

Does that make the killings better to you? I don't get why you're saying this.

I think he is trying to point out perceived double standards/ antisemitism because of all the coverage in Gaza.

It’s the kneejerk response of Israeli apologists to fling accusations of antisemitism either aggressively or passive aggressively.

 

[Elixir]

Prokaryotes probably fought like hell (and mostly lost) trying to keep eukaryotes and that hellish oxygen stuff out of their territory.
Not much has changed since.

 

[Emily Lake]

How I went about making my argument was wrong. What I'm trying to say isn't. Ethnic cleansing isn’t unique to Europe or colonialism. Civilizations have been eliminating or relocating populations based on identity since the earliest empires, Assyrian deportations, Chinese frontier purges, Mongol massacres, and Ottoman relocations all fit the pattern. What changed with Europe wasn’t the idea but the infrastructure, modern states turned ethnic dominance into formal policy, justified by race science and nationalism rather than raw conquest.

India had formal caste systems in place for about 3000 years, not based on conquest but on ancestry. The idea itself isn't somehow uniquely european. Egyptians enslaving the Levites was similarly 3000 years ago or so. Ethnic or Caste dominance is a really, really old thing, and it's been pretty formal in many cultures for a really long time.

The massacres in Sudan differ from Mongol or early Ottoman atrocities in motive and structure. The Mongols’ violence was a military strategy to enforce surrender, not ethnic purity. The Ottomans began as conquerors too, but by their decline were already showing the modern and learned logic of homogenizing populations, culminating in the Armenian Genocide.

I genuinely think you've got this backwards, Gospel. I don't think that homogenizing the population was a learned behavior - diversifying it was learned. For a massive amount of human development, we lived in small isolated tribes that were highly homogeneous. Learning to not kill "outsiders" was a developmental step.

What’s happening in Sudan today ain't a god damn conquest, it’s internal ethnic cleansing. It’s about erasing specific groups, not expanding rule. The pattern of mass killing repeats through history, but the ideology behind it has evolved, from imperial dominance to ethnic purification.

I don't think it's changed as much as you think it has. It's sucky stupid poor human behavior across the board, yes. But genuinely, this isn't some newfangled thing that white folks came up with. Varieties of ethnic cleansing have existed pretty much for as long as we have records, and very likely before then - bear in mind that "kill that tribe" is essentially the same mechanism of us-vs-them behavior.

FWIW, many other species do the same thing - they kill other tribes or groups, they exterminate those that are similar-but-different, often with enormous hostility. Some of it is competition for resources, perhaps. But at the end of the day, it still boils down to eliminating competition for a different genetic line.

I'm not excusing the behavior mind, I'm very much opposed to it. But in order to effectively oppose it, you've also got to understand it.

 

[Emily Lake]

Just a bunch of Arabs doing what they learned from the “civilized world.” And don’t come at me with “violence is just part of human history”, this isn’t simply that. What’s happening here is the same colonial logic, in Arab uniforms.

The Arabs were fighting each other long before Mohammed ever arrived. They did not learn it from anyone else. All self-taught, just like everybody else.

Our favourite pastime is fighting each other.

Great, if what’s happening in Sudan has supposedly been going on ‘forever,’ then you should be able to name an empire that completely wiped out everyone for being a specific "race" in the lands they conquered. I’m sure there would be plenty of examples if that were true.

The reality is that pre-modern empires absolutely conquered, killed, and displaced people, but that’s not the same as modern ethnic cleansing. Ancient and medieval powers didn’t exterminate entire populations simply for being the ‘wrong race’ the way we define race (a European standard btw) today. Their violence was usually tied to resistance, tribute, or power, not to erase specific groups from existence. It didn't matter to them who resisted FFS.

I kind of feel like you're pretending jews don't exist at all. Or ancient chinese for that matter, who perpetrated war and attempted extermination of other groups more than once.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

India had formal caste systems in place for about 3000 years, not based on conquest but on ancestry. The idea itself isn't somehow uniquely european. Egyptians enslaving the Levites was similarly 3000 years ago or so. Ethnic or Caste dominance is a really, really old thing, and it's been pretty formal in many cultures for a really long time.

Its interesting that you mention the Levites because according to the Bible they were the one Jewish group the Egyptians didn't enslave.
Actual historians say that there is no evidence that the Egyptians enslaved any specific group. It is also well known that the Exodus is entirely mythical, and one of the reasons is that whereas the story had them escaping from Egypt to Canaan, Canaan was actually part of Egypt.