Some Europeans No Longer Submitting to New Barbarian Hordes

[Loren Pechtel]

Yes, it has nothing to do with a nearby power vacuum in ISIS controlled territory in an adjacent country or a psychotic martyr created during instability in an adjacent country.

If only there was some connection with the United States?

ISIS started in Syria, not Iraq.

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You're quite the broken record with your US bashing. You seem to be forgetting that the mess in Syria is due to the Arab Spring, not to US actions.

You mean ISIS in Syria?

I am a broken record because the truth doesn't change.

It didn't start with ISIS, either.

And before you go blaming the US for ISIS anyway you should first try the nations that are actively funding ISIS.

 

[ksen]

Some Europeans No Longer Submitting to New Barbarian Hordes

Man, I thought this was going to be about the European rejection of their far-right parties.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

ISIS started in Syria, not Iraq.

Yes, there is absolutely no connection with the two.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Syrian crisis didn't start with ISIS, although ISIS did capitalize on it.

Well, it started with US and their ME "friends" supporting anti-Assad rebels indiscriminately.

No. It started with the anti-Assad rebels. And then the Islamists supporting what became ISIS. We only intervened when things were already a bloody mess.

This is fundamentally a Sunni/Shia fight.

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You're quite the broken record with your US bashing. You seem to be forgetting that the mess in Syria is due to the Arab Spring, not to US actions.

US and its allied actions. When the Saddam was overthrown, it created the power vacuum which was filled by all kinds of strange entities.

ISIS arose from Syria, not Iraq.

And it arose because the Islamists poured money into it.

 

[arkirk]

Don't you mean the people, innocent victims, displaced because of US aggression in the region that ignited widespread warfare?

How much does the US get to fuck up before it is responsible for anything?

I don't think he can help himself. He is just so afraid of Muslims...we know better than that. The thing I have never understood about Max is how he imagines his derogatory thoughts can in any way improve the situation. His descriptions of Muslims in Europe...predatory hoardes. These people have had to face tragic upheavals in their countries of origin as fallout from American and European intervention in service of predatory American and European oil interests. That upheaval has left many of these refugees without a safe home they can live in. So they go to Europe and immediately run into people who are afraid of their own shadow...and who engage these cut off travelers with contempt and hate and suspicion. Why Max applauds this and promotes this speaks to his regard for his fellow man. His view is only from the distance and also essentially only through the medium of hate propaganda.

 

[fromderinside]

As the Muslim predatory hordes and entitlement spongers continue to crash the borders into Europe, threatening to send millions more of their kind for occupation, a growing number of the Euro-White worms are finding a smattering of moral courage and affection for Western Civilization.

European leaders aren’t talking about global warming or how to keep Putin from eating them, but what to do about emerging revolt of fed-up citizens as tens of thousands of protesters take to the streets in anger over the flood of Syrian and Iraqi “refugees”. Yesterday groups in the hundreds and thousands suddenly showed up Calais, France, Germany, the Czech Republic, Warsaw, Slovakia, the UK, Amsterdam and Austria.

AP reports:



CNN had reporters at the protests and while the masses were upset about sexual assaults, crime rates and enormous social welfare bills, they all saw the erosion of their culture taking place.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/06/europe/europe-anti-migrant-protests/

The protest in Calais came in defiance of a ban issued earlier this week by Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve. Police used pepper spray on some people, and several protesters were arrested as they clashed with the police lines.

A statement by organizers of the various marches elsewhere in Europe said they were “aware of the fact that the thousand-year history of Western civilization could soon come to an end through Islam conquering Europe, and the fact that the political elites have betrayed us.”

Some of those protests were organized by people with ties to far-right parties, but protesters in Calais denied any link to such groups.

Indeed, “We are coming, Mommy.”

bias and incitement in the first paragraph explains 'rage' in following paragraphs. maxparrish is practicing up on his tiny moustashe approach to governance in the 21st century.

woo

 

[arkirk]

Well, it started with US and their ME "friends" supporting anti-Assad rebels indiscriminately.

No. It started with the anti-Assad rebels. And then the Islamists supporting what became ISIS. We only intervened when things were already a bloody mess.

This is fundamentally a Sunni/Shia fight.

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You're quite the broken record with your US bashing. You seem to be forgetting that the mess in Syria is due to the Arab Spring, not to US actions.

US and its allied actions. When the Saddam was overthrown, it created the power vacuum which was filled by all kinds of strange entities.

ISIS arose from Syria, not Iraq.

And it arose because the Islamists poured money into it.

Our leaders set the example for ISIS.


When a nation tolerates leaders who have very low regard for human rights, it cannot do anything but fall into decline. The middle eastern countries have had many years of U.S. support for dictators and racist regimes such a Israel. There has not been an action of our government in the region that affirms human rights to miy knowledge. We have been electing people in America to dictate and draw red lines in the middle east and crush all parties that disagree with us with overwhelming force...only to find a completely understandable outcome from our actions....ISIS. We ally ourselves with a country that regularly chops off heads of dissidents and do nothing for its victims (Saudi Arabia). We supply bombs and guns used to kill civilians in Palestine and also do nothing about the Israeli land grabs in the west bank. We supply weapons to everybody whether it is intentional or not. It is in this absolutely intolerable environment that things like ISIS come to exist. We really have NO MORAL HIGH GROUND from which to operate on this problem with our current president who routinely signs off on assassinations and then denies that he is killing women and children. There are enough causes to spur all sorts of hate outfits in the area, and we just keep adding to those causes. We have to get away from our current political system that gives us leaders who have no sense of human needs in the world:

 

[arkirk]

Some Europeans No Longer Submitting to New Barbarian Hordes

Man, I thought this was going to be about the European rejection of their far-right parties.

 

[untermensche]

You mean ISIS in Syria?

I am a broken record because the truth doesn't change.

It didn't start with ISIS, either.

No, but the only reason the problem is even touching Europe is because of ISIS.

And ISIS is powerful because it has the trained Iraqi military leadership given to it by the US and US weapons.

Without the massive US terrorism in the region the conflict in Syria may not even exist or if it did occur would only involve refugees in Turkey and Lebanon.

US aggression made the problem large enough it has effected Europe.

European nations should be sending Washington the bill for dealing with this problem.

 

[whichphilosophy]

It didn't start with ISIS, either.

No, but the only reason the problem is even touching Europe is because of ISIS.

And ISIS is powerful because it has the trained Iraqi military leadership given to it by the US and US weapons.

Without the massive US terrorism in the region the conflict in Syria may not even exist or if it did occur would only involve refugees in Turkey and Lebanon.

US aggression made the problem large enough it has effected Europe.

European nations should be sending Washington the bill for dealing with this problem.

I am not saying this is right but the US and its poodles could have applied the Maxim applied by Sun Tzu, where it is better to capture an army intact.
Instead of firing every civil servant and every soldier as there were members of the Ba'ath party (as a job prerequisite) they could have remained as they were with a new puppet leadership.

A few new leaders at the top and the business as usual (with the usual allied lip service to reforms) could have ensured better stability. Of course colonialism is bad but the US was so hopeless at its handling of the aftermath of the Iraqi war even British style colonialism (and ancient equivalents) would have been better.

After I will not suggest that the aim was for Halliburton to plunder its oil.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No. It started with the anti-Assad rebels. And then the Islamists supporting what became ISIS. We only intervened when things were already a bloody mess.

This is fundamentally a Sunni/Shia fight.

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You're quite the broken record with your US bashing. You seem to be forgetting that the mess in Syria is due to the Arab Spring, not to US actions.

US and its allied actions. When the Saddam was overthrown, it created the power vacuum which was filled by all kinds of strange entities.

ISIS arose from Syria, not Iraq.

And it arose because the Islamists poured money into it.

Our leaders set the example for ISIS.
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When a nation tolerates leaders who have very low regard for human rights, it cannot do anything but fall into decline. The middle eastern countries have had many years of U.S. support for dictators and racist regimes such a Israel. There has not been an action of our government in the region that affirms human rights to miy knowledge. We have been electing people in America to dictate and draw red lines in the middle east and crush all parties that disagree with us with overwhelming force...only to find a completely understandable outcome from our actions....ISIS. We ally ourselves with a country that regularly chops off heads of dissidents and do nothing for its victims (Saudi Arabia). We supply bombs and guns used to kill civilians in Palestine and also do nothing about the Israeli land grabs in the west bank. We supply weapons to everybody whether it is intentional or not. It is in this absolutely intolerable environment that things like ISIS come to exist. We really have NO MORAL HIGH GROUND from which to operate on this problem with our current president who routinely signs off on assassinations and then denies that he is killing women and children. There are enough causes to spur all sorts of hate outfits in the area, and we just keep adding to those causes. We have to get away from our current political system that gives us leaders who have no sense of human needs in the world:View attachment 5643

And your evidence that those quotes are real is???

 

[barbos]

Well, it started with US and their ME "friends" supporting anti-Assad rebels indiscriminately.

Yes. It started with the anti-Assad rebels. And then the Islamists supporting what became ISIS. We only intervened when things in the very beginning.
This is fundamentally a Sunni/Shia fight.

I fixed your typos and glad you agree with me that US should not have supported anti-assad revolt.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It didn't start with ISIS, either.

No, but the only reason the problem is even touching Europe is because of ISIS.

And ISIS is powerful because it has the trained Iraqi military leadership given to it by the US and US weapons.

Without the massive US terrorism in the region the conflict in Syria may not even exist or if it did occur would only involve refugees in Turkey and Lebanon.

US aggression made the problem large enough it has effected Europe.

European nations should be sending Washington the bill for dealing with this problem.

The real cause is the money poured into Islamist violence by places like Qatar. Syria is basically a proxy war. Iran et al vs Qatar et al.

 

[barbos]

No, but the only reason the problem is even touching Europe is because of ISIS.

And ISIS is powerful because it has the trained Iraqi military leadership given to it by the US and US weapons.

Without the massive US terrorism in the region the conflict in Syria may not even exist or if it did occur would only involve refugees in Turkey and Lebanon.

US aggression made the problem large enough it has effected Europe.

European nations should be sending Washington the bill for dealing with this problem.

The real cause is the money poured into Islamist violence by places like Qatar. Syria is basically a proxy war. Iran et al vs Qatar et al.

And Qatar is US ally.

 

[untermensche]

No, but the only reason the problem is even touching Europe is because of ISIS.

And ISIS is powerful because it has the trained Iraqi military leadership given to it by the US and US weapons.

Without the massive US terrorism in the region the conflict in Syria may not even exist or if it did occur would only involve refugees in Turkey and Lebanon.

US aggression made the problem large enough it has effected Europe.

European nations should be sending Washington the bill for dealing with this problem.

The real cause is the money poured into Islamist violence by places like Qatar. Syria is basically a proxy war. Iran et al vs Qatar et al.

Money didn't buy ISIS.

US terrorism created it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No, but the only reason the problem is even touching Europe is because of ISIS.

And ISIS is powerful because it has the trained Iraqi military leadership given to it by the US and US weapons.

Without the massive US terrorism in the region the conflict in Syria may not even exist or if it did occur would only involve refugees in Turkey and Lebanon.

US aggression made the problem large enough it has effected Europe.

European nations should be sending Washington the bill for dealing with this problem.

The real cause is the money poured into Islamist violence by places like Qatar. Syria is basically a proxy war. Iran et al vs Qatar et al.

Odd... this war didn't exist prior to us "freeing" Iraq.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The real cause is the money poured into Islamist violence by places like Qatar. Syria is basically a proxy war. Iran et al vs Qatar et al.

Money didn't buy ISIS.

US terrorism created it.

Time. Learn how it flows.

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The real cause is the money poured into Islamist violence by places like Qatar. Syria is basically a proxy war. Iran et al vs Qatar et al.

Odd... this war didn't exist prior to us "freeing" Iraq.

The war started in Syria.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Money didn't buy ISIS.

US terrorism created it.

Time. Learn how it flows.

It is like watching two brick walls arguing with each other.

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The real cause is the money poured into Islamist violence by places like Qatar. Syria is basically a proxy war. Iran et al vs Qatar et al.

Odd... this war didn't exist prior to us "freeing" Iraq.

The war started in Syria.

I think you noted something about "time" in the post above.

You may want to check it out. We had the:

2003 Iraqi Invasion
2003/04 Iraqi Occupation
2004 ISIS (or its previous branding) quickly in Iraq right after the start of the Occupation
2011 ISIS spread into Syria

 

[untermensche]

Time. Learn how it flows.

It is like watching two brick walls arguing with each other.

Where would you want me to go?

US aggression directly led to the military leadership of ISIS and a lot of it's weapons.

It made ISIS the force that was able to cause incredible harm.

And ISIS turned the crisis in Syria into a much larger affair and greatly increased the refugee problem.

Where should I move?

Into lies?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is like watching two brick walls arguing with each other.

Where would you want me to go?

US aggression directly led to the military leadership of ISIS and a lot of it's weapons.

It wasn't the aggression. It was the failure to command an occupation in Iraq that led to the issue. The United States, I'm sorry, the "Coalition" drove through Iraq so quickly. Almost island hopped like WWII, but the problem was people were between the islands they were hopping. The US then installed a bunch of recent college grad yes-men in charge of the nation and things went to hell quick. In fact, there wasn't much aggression with the invasion. The invasion itself went quick and was quite successful in removing the leader of the nation. It was a failure in securing the nation as a whole. And the operation of the Occupation that failed dreadfully and contributed to easily over 100,000 dead, and a boat load more displaced.

Where should I move?

Into lies?

How about out of the land of hyperbole-ville and into the land of pragmatic understanding.