Objective/Subjective

[DBT]

A fact is something that's true regardless of what anyone believes.

1. In that case, a fact is a truth. Fine. Not a problem.

2. However, if there is a fact, if there is a truth even if there is no one to believe or think it, where are these facts/truths? Are they non-physical things?

3. On the other hand, if a truth is a statement or some other sort of expression, then: No minds; no truths; no facts.

4. If minds are necessary for truths/facts, then truths/facts occur as instantiations within or as products of minds.

5. If minds are necessary for truths/facts, and if minds are necessarily physical, then truths/facts can be said to occur/instantiate physically.

Statement #4 is trans-perspectival. For instance, it holds if God is, and it holds if God (as non-physical) is not so long as there is at least one physical, non-God mind. Statement #5 holds for naturalism/materialism/physicalism whereas statement #2 does not in that statement #2 holds only if there is a non-physical realm of some sort.

Did the universe not exist before we evolved, before any form of mind? If so, that reality, stars, planets, galaxies did not depend on us or our perceptions and beliefs about it to exist and evolve according to its own inherent properties.

It is a truth that the universe existed before any minds came to be.
It is a truth that reality, stars, planets, galaxies did not depend on us or our perceptions and beliefs about them to exist and evolve.

We can even do it this way just for fun:

It is a truth that it is believed that it is a truth that the universe existed before any minds came to be.
It is a truth that it is believed that it is a truth that reality, stars, planets, galaxies did not depend on us or our perceptions and beliefs about them to exist and evolve.

And truths remain the products of minds. What is supposed to be the problem? The objection?

No real objection. Just to add, that what we happen to believe has no bearing on the universe at large, how it formed or how it evolves. That, if we are to function adequately within an objective world, it is our subjective brain generated model that needs to conform with the facts of the world.