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Is Bernie an atheist Jew and would that help DNC/Hillary?

Questioning Sanders' religion is a ploy to alienate him, to paint him as part of an out-group we may ignore or criticize.

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
--Thomas Jefferson.
 
From Brad Marshall (the DNC CFO)'s Facebook page:
I deeply regret that my insensitive, emotional emails would cause embarrassment to the DNC, the Chairwoman, and all of the staffers who worked hard to make the primary a fair and open process. The comments expressed do not reflect my beliefs nor do they reflect the beliefs of the DNC and its employees. I apologize to those I offended.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...mail-on-sanders-religion-226072#ixzz4FMamYG1i

Emphasis added. I have given money to the DNC and so have others with the expectation that they are telling the truth about a fair and open process.
 
Obama was able to overcome this in 2008.

Obama was not an outsider. He was a long-time Democratic politician and a member of the New Democrat faction with many connections.

Bernie was an outsider in name, but well connected to the progressive wing of the party, even helping to found the Progressive Democratic Caucus.
 
Obama was able to overcome this in 2008.

Obama was not an outsider. He was a long-time Democratic politician and a member of the New Democrat faction with many connections.

Bernie was an outsider in name, but well connected to the progressive wing of the party, even helping to found the Progressive Democratic Caucus.

Hillary had the advantage in 2008. Most at the top of the DNC wanted her to win. Obama overcame this and won the primary. Trump overcame this from party favorites Bush and Little Marco (great nickname!). Bill Clinton beat several party favorites when he won his first primary.
 
Obama was not an outsider. He was a long-time Democratic politician and a member of the New Democrat faction with many connections.

Bernie was an outsider in name, but well connected to the progressive wing of the party, even helping to found the Progressive Democratic Caucus.

Hillary had the advantage in 2008. Most at the top of the DNC wanted her to win. Obama overcame this and won the primary. Trump overcame this from party favorites Bush and Little Marco (great nickname!). Bill Clinton beat several party favorites when he won his first primary.

Ted Kennedy's endorsement of Obama put him over the top. What's your point??Anything actually relevant to this thread?

Did you read Brad Marshall's apology for what he did and are you going to keep defending him?
 
I can't see how a Jew can be an atheist - ex-Jews perhaps. I think Americans with broader minds should stop defining themselves in terms of archaic beliefs, As I frequently say, I don't believe there is a special element that causes fires, but I do not describe myself as an anti-phlogistonist. Bear in mind that most American 'Christians' seem to believe only in getting rich.

I know many atheist jews. I think that maybe they practice the faith in order to please their family, tradition, feel better, and etc. BTW: I think that not being a "anti-phlogistonist" is pretty damn funny!

There is also a difference between ethnic background and religion. Someone can be an atheist Jew just like someone else can be an atheist Italian
 
This goes into the I Don't Give A Fuck category.

Karl Rove started the smear campaign that McCain's wife had an illegitimate black baby and nobody seemed to give a shit (except McCain of course).

That the Democratic party would support a longtime, dedicated Democrat with the best chance to win * is not only not wrong, it's expected.

* over someone who just joined the party less than 6 months prior who had spent the last 10 years insulting the party and actively trying to divide it.


I'm glad they let Bernie run.
Bernie did a great service moving the party left, as I'd want it moved.
But it's just stupid sour grapes to expect that the whole organization would suddenly support him after all he has said about them for years and years and years.

^^^ all of the above

(and I like Rhea's pretty blue asterisk :D )
 
From Brad Marshall (the DNC CFO)'s Facebook page:
I deeply regret that my insensitive, emotional emails would cause embarrassment to the DNC, the Chairwoman, and all of the staffers who worked hard to make the primary a fair and open process. The comments expressed do not reflect my beliefs nor do they reflect the beliefs of the DNC and its employees. I apologize to those I offended.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...mail-on-sanders-religion-226072#ixzz4FMamYG1i

Emphasis added. I have given money to the DNC and so have others with the expectation that they are telling the truth about a fair and open process.

As have many others. And like any domestic abuse victim they'll continue to support their abuser to avoid falling into another doorknob (R presidency). Sure the abuser belches loudly in public, and demeans servers in restaurants, but going alone is a terrifying prospect.
 
Sanders actually had a higher favorability rating than Clinton among general election persons, BUT that's not the issue. The issue is that the DNC hand-picked a favorite and then undermined the alleged democracy within the party in a close primary. And was even willing to use religious discrimination as a way to promote their hand-picked candidate. Or at least that's how it seems and you've not only affirmed that, you also say it's totally okay with you.

I would say it's more a matter of one person suggesting using religious discrimination. The party did not take that suggestion and did not do it.
 
A scumbag sent that email.

Somebody wanting desperately to talk about anything but the issues.

The DNC worked against Bernie.

It is as corrupt as the RNC.
 
I can't see how a Jew can be an atheist - ex-Jews perhaps. I think Americans with broader minds should stop defining themselves in terms of archaic beliefs, As I frequently say, I don't believe there is a special element that causes fires, but I do not describe myself as an antiphlogistic. Bear in mind that most American 'Christians' seem to believe only in getting rich.

You can be an atheist and a Jew. Being Jewish is also a cultural designation. My father always moved us to Jewish neighborhoods for this reason,that they accept atheists. My father is an atheist and was raised an atheist. We are a family of atheists. My children were raised in my wife's catholic church but they are now atheists too.

Two of my grandparents were Jewish so by the standards of Israel I believe that I could be considered to be Jewish even though I am an atheist. But we were never taught or study the Jewish religion, or any religion for that matter.

Likewise my only sibling, my brother's family are all atheists. They did go to another church that accepts atheists, called something like Universalists, I think, because he thought that his children were missing something social by not belonging to a church or some other spiritually based groups. But this only lasted for a few months when his two sons told my brother and sister-in-law that no, they weren't missing the crap that they had to put up with in the Universalist Church.

I remember now, the Unitarian Universalist Church.
 
I can't see how a Jew can be an atheist - ex-Jews perhaps. I think Americans with broader minds should stop defining themselves in terms of archaic beliefs, As I frequently say, I don't believe there is a special element that causes fires, but I do not describe myself as an antiphlogistic. Bear in mind that most American 'Christians' seem to believe only in getting rich.

You can be an atheist and a Jew. Being Jewish is also a cultural designation. My father always moved us to Jewish neighborhoods for this reason,that they accept atheists. My father is an atheist and was raised an atheist. We are a family of atheists. My children were raised in my wife's catholic church but they are now atheists too.

Two of my grandparents were Jewish so by the standards of Israel I believe that I could be considered to be Jewish even though I am an atheist. But we were never taught or study the Jewish religion, or any religion for that matter.

Likewise my only sibling, my brother's family are all atheists. They did go to another church that accepts atheists, called something like Universalists, I think, because he thought that his children were missing something social by not belonging to a church or some other spiritually based groups. But this only lasted for a few months when his two sons told my brother and sister-in-law that no, they weren't missing the crap that they had to put up with in the Universalist Church.

I remember now, the Unitarian Universalist Church.

Well, you just ruined your possible political future! BTW: I'm the only atheist in my family, but my children are coming around.
 
Sanders actually had a higher favorability rating than Clinton among general election persons, BUT that's not the issue. The issue is that the DNC hand-picked a favorite and then undermined the alleged democracy within the party in a close primary. And was even willing to use religious discrimination as a way to promote their hand-picked candidate. Or at least that's how it seems and you've not only affirmed that, you also say it's totally okay with you.

I would say it's more a matter of one person suggesting using religious discrimination.

One high ranking member suggesting, followed by two high-ranking members assenting with "It's these [sic] Jesus thing" and "AMEN" followed by several members of this forum saying it's completely fine with them.

ZiprHead said:
The party did not take that suggestion and did not do it.

If it were the party, then that would mean myself as well since I am a registered Democrat. No, this was several high-ranking members of the party establishment, the DNC. Whether they tried to use a media connection and failed or whether they didn't try at all, it doesn't seem to matter as it's part of something larger such as their attitudes. It's a big turn off.
 
But it's just stupid sour grapes to expect that the whole organization would suddenly support him after all he has said about them for years and years and years.
Sanders supporters did not expect that, indeed, they claimed the opposite before and were dismissed as conspiracy theorists, when it was plain to anyone with a brain that the DNC did not want Sanders to win and would actively work against that outcome.
 
I mean, can you imagine the outrage if it were the Republicans being caught sending these e-mails? Trump was excoriated for posting some stupid meme that had a star reminiscent of the Star of David.
 
I mean, can you imagine the outrage if it were the Republicans being caught sending these e-mails? Trump was excoriated for posting some stupid meme that had a star reminiscent of the Star of David.

Honestly - if it were a Clinton surrogate I'd say it was underhanded and distasteful, but for DNC officials to be this calculating, on a freethought forum for it to get a pass as 'sour grapes' boggles the mind.
 
I mean, can you imagine the outrage if it were the Republicans being caught sending these e-mails? Trump was excoriated for posting some stupid meme that had a star reminiscent of the Star of David.

Honestly - if it were a Clinton surrogate I'd say it was underhanded and distasteful, but for DNC officials to be this calculating, on a freethought forum for it to get a pass as 'sour grapes' boggles the mind.

I'll admit that my apathy over the matter is due in large part to my fear of Trump. Only one of two people is going to become POTUS. And only one of those two people is anything near acceptable.

Third party talk is for the birds at this point. I will never forget how Nader got Dubbya elected and the fallout that came from it. And now this time around we have someone far more dangerous who is going to be able to appoint at least one, and probably two justices to the Supreme Court. And that is going to directly affect us for the next 30 years. Hillary will make solid appointments. Who the fuck knows what Trump will do?

At the very worst, Hillary represents mediocrity and settling. And we can make it through that just fine. But I truly believe Trump represents irrecoverable disaster.
 
I'll admit that my apathy over the matter is due in large part to my fear of Trump. Only one of two people is going to become POTUS. And only one of those two people is anything near acceptable.

Those two things are far apart though. I'm not supporting Trump here, and I think that a Trump presidency would be a disaster - and for that matter neither third party candidate is even worth a protest vote.

That said - this isn't a case of people being mad over losing a game of Monopoly. This was a tactical play at capitalizing on people's distrust and dislike of atheists.
 
Well here's Hillary on the topic...you can decide to take her word for it or not, but clearly she says this was wrong, just like the guy who sent the email said it was wrong.

In an interview with ‘60 Minutes’ on Sunday, Clinton said she had no knowledge of the actions of the DNC and criticized any attempt effort to attack Sanders—or anyone else—based on their faith.

“I am adamantly opposed to anyone bringing religion into our political process,” she said, after denying she knew anything about the DNC efforts on her behalf.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/25/dnc-2016-will-berniacs-ruin-hillary-s-prom.html
 
...and here are both Clinton and Kaine on the topic from that 60 Minutes interview:
Clinton tells Pelley that she "doesn't know anything about" these emails and hasn't read any of them, but Clinton said that an email such as Pelley described would be "absolutely wrong and unacceptable."

Clinton's running mate Tim Kaine, a former DNC committee chair, weighed in as well:

"You're not going to find anybody at the DNC or the RNC or any political organization who is a complete agnostic, who doesn't have an opinion about a candidate," Kaine told Pelley on Saturday. "But there's a difference...between that and trying to alter the outcome."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-overtime-hillary-clinton-tim-kaine-clips/
 
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