Double standards regarding racism

[laughing dog]

Banning ____ people based on the color of their skin is an clear indication of bigotry but not necessarily of racism. Racism implies a feeling of superiority of one race over another. It is not clear these"women of color" excursions are racist. Hell, it is not clear that they are even necessarily bigoted. Wanting a break from ____ is not an indication of any sort of bigotry or racism or any ____ism.

For example, I would like a break from the kneejerk hypersenstivity of male snowflakes who see injustice everywhere when either a woman or a person of color is not acting like he feels a person should behave.

 

[Derec]

Banning ____ people based on the color of their skin is an clear indication of bigotry but not necessarily of racism. Racism implies a feeling of superiority of one race over another. It is not clear these"women of color" excursions are racist. Hell, it is not clear that they are even necessarily bigoted. Wanting a break from ____ is not an indication of any sort of bigotry or racism or any ____ism.

Reverse the races. Would you still think it's not racist?
Hell, when when you are white even being against affirmative action or correcting black students's spelling are considered "racist".
Also, you are forgetting the bit about denying white people passports.

For example, I would like a break from the kneejerk hypersenstivity of male snowflakes

And I would like a break from Vizzini wannabes like you.

 

[Derec]

Which means this WoC retreat isn't a double-standard or racist or any of the other hair-on-fire freak out you started this thread with.

It is a double standard as "whites only" retreat would not be acceptable. That is the definition of a double standard.
Sauce for gander should be sauce for goose.

There is nothing racist or sexist or otherwise discriminatory or double-standard about it.

Of course there is and the organizer (Andrea the 10th) proves her racist motivations for the retreat in her interview.

Sorry Derec... your thread fails.

No, your apologetics for black racists fails.

 

[RavenSky]

It is a double standard as "whites only" retreat would not be acceptable. That is the definition of a double standard.
Sauce for gander should be sauce for goose.

except they happen all the time

I have yet to see anyone posting a thread about them and whinging about it here.

Of course there is and the organizer (Andrea the 10th) proves her racist motivations for the retreat in her interview.

Prove it. Exact in context quote with link. I read the article. It wasn't there.

Sorry Derec... your thread fails.

No, your apologetics for black racists fails.

You have failed to show any "black racists" here

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Being somewhat brown, I'm comfortably in the middle. I'm ethnic if I have a disagreement with a white guy, but I'm white if I have a disagreement with a black guy.

 

[Derec]

except they happen all the time

By "all the time" you must mean "decades ago".
Or can you show me some retreats that actually exclude blacks on purpose?

I have yet to see anyone posting a thread about them and whinging about it here.

Because when that type of segregation was en vogue, there was no web much less this forum.

Prove it. Exact in context quote with link. I read the article. It wasn't there.

You must also watch the video. It's in the interview portion with Andrea 10th.

 

[RavenSky]

Andrea 10th.

And the creator of Women of Color Healing Retreats is named Satya X (per her website) (though the video does say Andrea X), so you are purposely fucking with a black woman's name yet again.

 

[laughing dog]

Reverse the races. Would you still think it's not racist?

Nope.

Hell, when when you are white even being against affirmative action or correcting black students's spelling are considered "racist".

It can be a sign of racism or bigotry, but it need not be.

Also, you are forgetting the bit about denying white people passports.

People can say anything stupid fucking thing they want - these site is proof of that. But that person cannot deny anyone a passport, so who cares?

And I would like a break from Vizzini wannabes like you.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but if you want a break from people like me, maybe tone down your cry-baby snowflake approach to your SJW fight for "equality".

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Being somewhat brown, I'm comfortably in the middle. I'm ethnic if I have a disagreement with a white guy, but I'm white if I have a disagreement with a black guy.

I can relate. I am mixed Asian (but all Asian) but grew up in Canada. So I am treated as a minority by some clueless white people here (mostly SJWs trying to speak for me or make assumptions about me) and I am treated as an outsider in Asia both because I am not fullbreed (I have both Chinese and Japanese blood, plus some Filipino) and because my accent immediately marks me as western.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

except they happen all the time

They did. They still do? Explicitly like this group does towards white people? Where? There would be outrage and a law suit very quickly.

Are you just toying with Derec or do you really think it ok to tell people they are not welcome and are to be excluded because of their race? Instead of calling this case wrong and calling whites doing it also wrong, do you condone it and whites doing it? Or are you being racist about it as Derec alleges?

 

[Derec]

And the creator of Women of Color Healing Retreats is named Satya X (per her website) (though the video does say Andrea X), so you are purposely fucking with a black woman's name yet again.

Changing your name to "X" is an affectation practiced by the racist, black supremacist Nation of Islam. So, yes, I am going to "fuck with" that fake name. Just because she is black does not mean she should be immune from ridicule for her racism and trappings of it. Making fun of NoI Xs is no different than making fun of silly KKK titles like Grand Wizard ...

 

[laughing dog]

And the creator of Women of Color Healing Retreats is named Satya X (per her website) (though the video does say Andrea X), so you are purposely fucking with a black woman's name yet again.

Changing your name to "X" is an affectation practiced by the racist, black supremacist Nation of Islam. So, yes, I am going to "fuck with" that fake name. Just because she is black does not mean she should be immune from ridicule for her racism and trappings of it. Making fun of NoI Xs is no different than making fun of silly KKK titles like Grand Wizard ...

Making fun of a name is different than making fun of a title. Of course, you can be a disrespectful towards a black woman who you know very little about, but you should realize that disrespect reflects more on you than on her.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So is the OP wanting white/male only things, or complaining about the existence of minority/female only things? Or is this about the misunderstanding of the definition of the word 'racism'?

 

[Derec]

Making fun of a name is different than making fun of a title.

If both are a function of a membership in a hateful organization, as is the case here, then it is a distinction without a difference.

Of course, you can be a disrespectful towards a black woman who you know very little about,

I know enough. I know she is a black supremacist, a racist and that she wants to deny me a passport because of the color of my skin.

but you should realize that disrespect reflects more on you than on her.

You and RavenSky defending this racist just because she is black reflects more on you than on me.

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So is the OP wanting white/male only things, or complaining about the existence of minority/female only things?

I am merely pointing out the racist double standard that reflects on the bigger double standard of black racism being deemed ok by many, especially on the "progressive" Left.

Or is this about the misunderstanding of the definition of the word 'racism'?

Would that be the ideologically motivated definition under which only whites can be racist?

 

[laughing dog]

If both are a function of a membership in a hateful organization, as is the case here, then it is a distinction without a difference.


I know enough. I know she is a black supremacist, a racist and that she wants to deny me a passport because of the color of my skin.

Proclaiming a closed mind ("I know enough) while conflating assumptions with knowledge is the classic description of a bigot.

You and RavenSky defending this racist just because she is black reflects more on you than on me.

I am pointing out your irrational thinking and bigoted comments which is a tacit defense of rationality and decency. But it is not a defense of anyone in particular.

 

[Derec]

Proclaiming a closed mind ("I know enough) while conflating assumptions with knowledge is the classic description of a bigot.

That's not a closed mind. I merely stated that I have enough information to conclude Andrea "X" is a racist. Nothing bigoted about that. I do not need to know all the minutiae of her life to make a conclusion.

I am pointing out your irrational thinking and bigoted comments which is a tacit defense of rationality and decency. But it is not a defense of anyone in particular.

The only irrationality here is from you. And bigotry is from Andrea "X", and you don't want to acknowledge that because it does not fit your ideological prejudices which can be summed up as "white skin bad, black skin good".

 

[RavenSky]

And the creator of Women of Color Healing Retreats is named Satya X (per her website) (though the video does say Andrea X), so you are purposely fucking with a black woman's name yet again.

Changing your name to "X" is an affectation practiced by the racist, black supremacist Nation of Islam. So, yes, I am going to "fuck with" that fake name. Just because she is black does not mean she should be immune from ridicule for her racism and trappings of it. Making fun of NoI Xs is no different than making fun of silly KKK titles like Grand Wizard ...

First of all, YOU fuck with people's names whether or not said name is "an affection" or not. The only consistency in the people you ridicule in this way is that they are always people of color.

Second, "Grand Wizard" is a title, not a person's name. YOU routinely fuck with the NAMES of people of color. You do not, however, have any history of fucking with the title's of racists.

As for the article in the OP, you have completely failed to prove that "Women of Color Healing Retreats & Wellness Garden" is "racist" or a "double-standard" because retreats are, by their very nature, exclusive. Whether the group is for women of color, or christians, or the Wildman retreats, or corporate retreats, or rape survivors, or Turning Point U.S.A. retreats, the groups are meant to bring together "like-minded" people and exclude people who do not share the demographics/interests of the retreat mission. There is every kind of retreat and/or vacation group you can imagine, and I am pretty sure you aren't really all that upset about not being able to attend this one.

As for Andrea X - and that is her name... no scare quotes or other racist ridicule from you is needed - she does sound a bit bigoted to me. But you need to keep in mind that she left the U.S.A. to get away from people like you. YOU should be cheering for her. SHE LEFT THE COUNTRY! She didn't try to elect people more like herself, or enact laws to help alleviate institutional racism, or try to work within the system to make the U.S.A. less bigoted against people of color. Instead, she said "fuck it, you whites can keep it" and left herself.

I thought that was exactly what racists want.

So what is your problem again?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If both are a function of a membership in a hateful organization, as is the case here, then it is a distinction without a difference.


I know enough. I know she is a black supremacist, a racist and that she wants to deny me a passport because of the color of my skin.

but you should realize that disrespect reflects more on you than on her.

You and RavenSky defending this racist just because she is black reflects more on you than on me.

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So is the OP wanting white/male only things, or complaining about the existence of minority/female only things?

I am merely pointing out the racist double standard that reflects on the bigger double standard of black racism being deemed ok by many, especially on the "progressive" Left.

Or is this about the misunderstanding of the definition of the word 'racism'?

Would that be the ideologically motivated definition under which only whites can be racist?

So it is the later issue it seems. LD addressed your problem here, because racism has the underlying foundational deal of racial “superiority” being the reason for the discrimination.

There can be intolerance and discrimination by blacks, but unless the reason is a deemed racial superiority, it isn’t “racism”. It can be bad, harmful, needless, but it isn’t “racism”.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

There can be intolerance and discrimination by blacks, but unless the reason is a deemed racial superiority, it isn’t “racism”. It can be bad, harmful, needless, but it isn’t “racism”.

You are playing at semantics without a purpose. You can call it "racism" or you can call it mere bigotry and prejudice. In either case it is wrong to practice and wrong to defend.

And RavenSky/Laughing_dog being all upset about Derec misstating somebody's name, while giving the blatant racist (Yes, I call it racist) behaviour mentioned in the OP a pass because of skin colour (itself racist) is what is most striking in this thread.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There can be intolerance and discrimination by blacks, but unless the reason is a deemed racial superiority, it isn’t “racism”. It can be bad, harmful, needless, but it isn’t “racism”.

You are playing at semantics without a purpose.

Words have meaning.

You can call it "racism" or you can call it mere bigotry and prejudice.

Sure, let's call it what it is... not what some people want it to be called so that they can inject more emotion to drive and drive their POV. I mean, if I got stabbed, that'd really suck, but I can't go around saying I was shot, and say others are being anal when calling me out on it.

In either case it is wrong to practice and wrong to defend.

Well, that would be one reason for some to exaggerate and try to lump stuff into the "racism" category, so they can point with an eager finger and shout "You are defending racism!"

Defending things that are harmful is indeed a bad thing. But it would seem bad to also inject false motives of people, just to make it a race issue. It is odd how some people that hate "identity politics" are the people that are obsessed with the identities of people.

And RavenSky/Laughing_dog being all upset about Derec misstating somebody's name, while giving the blatant racist (Yes, I call it racist) behaviour mentioned in the OP a pass because of skin colour (itself racist) is what is most striking in this thread.

Well, if we are going to call anything racist, I think your response is racist and the OP is racist and the second law of thermodynamics is racist.