Circumcision technique issues

[unapologetic]

Christianity has opened doors and is open to scrutiny.

No it is not.
Questioning christianity is sinfull^TM, and will buy me a ticket to hell^TM. (or so the threat goes)
It has loads of secrets.
The true nature and location of hell^TM.
The true nature and location of heaven^TM.
The true nature and location of god^TM.
All kept vague to avoid scrutiny.
Your god^TM itself remains hidden.
And secrecy is only one sign of a cult.

From outside we clearly see that it is a cult.
Your protests, from inside, that it isn't, is laughable.

 

[steve_bank]

I think Chrtianity is a cult of pain.

The gospel message was bear your burdens whatever they may be, believe and you will have a glorious eternal afterlife. Suffer and offer it to Jesus.

God sent Jesus to suffer, be tortured, and executed to save the world.

he RCC garment school I went to was attached to a basilica. Cavernous. Aound ther sides were the Stains Of The Cross. We'd walk behind a purest caring a tall a staff with a cross on rte top stopping at each station, images of each stage on the walls. Worshiping the suffering of Jesus.

Each station represents a different moment in Jesus' Passion and Death, including:

Jesus is Condemned to Death.
Jesus Carries the Cross.
Jesus Falls for the First Time.
Jesus Meets His Mother.
Simon Helps Jesus Carry His Cross.
Veronica Wipes the Face of Jesus.
Jesus Falls a Second Time.
Jesus Meets the Women of Jerusalem.

The crucifix in the church had a bloody crownof thorns and blood from the side wound alllged.

'The Blood' of Jesus is an important term in Evangelicals and others. 'By the blood of Jesus'.

Jesus as the sacrificial lamb sent to slaughter for god.

Ephesians 1:7 says, “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.” Because of Christ's shed blood, God is able to forgive us of sins because He took our punishment.

Sadducee represented the upper class. Religious, political, and economic power in Israel. Lie rte egta churches today and conservative republican Christian politicians.

Pharisee represented the mystical spiritual side, rejecting materialism and making money inn today's terms.

Jesus appears in the gospels to be anti Pharisee. He allegedly overturns tables in the Temple ranting about commerce conducted in the house of god.

It is like the old TV game show. Three people claim to be the same person. A panel asks questions trying to figure out which one was the real person. At the end the announcer says 'Will the real Jesus please stand up'.

 

[unapologetic]

I think Chrtianity is a cult of pain. ...

A death cult.

God sent Jesus to suffer, be tortured, and executed to save the world. ...

Jesus as the sacrificial lamb sent to slaughter for god.

A scape goat. Whipping boy.

 

[steve_bank]

I think Chrtianity is a cult of pain.

The gospel message was bear your burdens whatever they may be, believe and you will have a glorious eternal afterlife. Suffer and offer it to Jesus.

God sent Jesus to suffer, be tortured, and executed to save the world.

he RCC garment school I went to was attached to a basilica. Cavernous. Aound ther sides were the Stains Of The Cross. We'd walk behind a purest caring a tall a staff with a cross on rte top stopping at each station, images of each stage on the walls. Worshiping the suffering of Jesus.

Each station represents a different moment in Jesus' Passion and Death, including:

Jesus is Condemned to Death.
Jesus Carries the Cross.
Jesus Falls for the First Time.
Jesus Meets His Mother.
Simon Helps Jesus Carry His Cross.
Veronica Wipes the Face of Jesus.
Jesus Falls a Second Time.
Jesus Meets the Women of Jerusalem.

The crucifix in the church had a bloody crownof thorns and blood from the side wound alllged.

'The Blood' of Jesus is an important term in Evangelicals and others. 'By the blood of Jesus'.

Jesus as the sacrificial lamb sent to slaughter for god.

Ephesians 1:7 says, “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.” Because of Christ's shed blood, God is able to forgive us of sins because He took our punishment.

Sadducee represented the upper class. Religious, political, and economic power in Israel. Lie rte egta churches today and conservative republican Christian politicians.

Pharisee represented the mystical spiritual side, rejecting materialism and making money inn today's terms.

Jesus appears in the gospels to be anti Pharisee. He allegedly overturns tables in the Temple ranting about commerce conducted in the house of god.

It is like the old TV game show. Three people claim to be the same person. A panel asks questions trying to figure out which one was the real person. At the end the announcer says 'Will the real Jesus please stand up'.

Correction, Jesus appears to be anti Sadducee.

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Jesus was not a formal member of the Pharisee sect, but his religious views heavily overlapped with them. While he shared their belief in the resurrection and the afterlife, he frequently criticized their strict adherence to oral traditions and ritual purity laws, opting instead to focus on the compassionate spirit of the Law.

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Whether Jesus was an Essene is a heavily debated topic among historians and biblical scholars. While
Jesus likely shared some of their apocalyptic beliefs while strongly differing on others.

More complex than the average Chris-an understands. A historical Jesus was not original.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Blood sacrifice is the Bible's theme from start to finish. It's in there more than love thy neighbor.

 

[Learner]

Let's assume your dad robs a jewelry store and your mom shoots some uppity woman who dissed her at bridge club.
They arrest you for both crimes and you get sent up for life. Your parents write you and visit on holidays.
That's the same standard Biblegod goes by, in II Sam.

I don't get it.

If there's some supposedly higher morality that mere mortals can't perceive because we need a "higher perspective", then fuck it, it has nothing to do with morality.

Morality is easily perceived. It was intended to be so. Good versus evil?
That's what matters if you don't get the bit about the 'higher perspective'.

As God puts it to humans to understand: the morality level that concerns humans, is in terms of how YOU as a human treats another human being. That is the level of perception we are expected to understand at the least (which is also a commandment).

So, previously I was talking in the context... that a God (by the widely understood 'Creator concept') should see everything from a level beyond human comprehension, seeing the BIGGER picture, because a God would be expected to do so!

Morality is transactional and is based on human interactions. If deities are portrayed as being above all that and not accountable to standards of morality (i.e. the rules of group living), then fuck 'em, they're figments of the imagination -- especially if they self-advertise as being full of love, mercy, wisdom, and justice. You may need a higher perspective to grasp that.

Yeah so, that particular perspective,:that seems to elude you is:

The bigger picture in the eyes of God I.e. knowing very well your material form, a physical construction from dust, so to speak, the material shell..

...Where death - the breakdown of the physical material form in God's eyes, (or higher perspective ,if you will), can be reconstructed or resurrected to life AGAIN.

As for God/rape, the OT is full of grotesque teachings.

The bible describes the past, like you would find in any book describing wars and atrocities. War books and gory comics even.

The Commandments were made to avoid being influenced, doing what all the other nations were doing.

To sum it up for the followers of Jesus:

Thall shalt not do to others as to those who would war and do to you.

What happens to the war makers, is God's concern, to cast upon them the measured punishment from the judgement of their ways.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Any deity whose book contains teachings like Ex. 21:20-1 and Deut. 20:16-7 has nothing to teach us about morality. Most of humanity has learned through gruesome experience how immoral those teachings are.
Ingersoll says it better than me:
"Jehovah was a believer in slavery. This is enough. Why should any civilized man worship him?...He believed that man could become the property of man -- that it is right for his chosen people to deal in human flesh...He taught that the captives were the property of the captors and directed his chosen people to kill, to enslave, or to pollute <i.e. rape>."

 

[Learner]

Any deity whose book contains teachings like Ex. 21:20-1 and Deut. 20:16-7 has nothing to teach us about morality. Most of humanity has learned through gruesome experience how immoral those teachings are.

When you say teachings. Are you suggesting believers (Christians) are being taught to do as the ancient Israelites did?

We teach today about those passages and why they were there.

It's false to give the misleading Impression that when one says teachings, this automatically means a believer must "follow and do" what the ancient Hebrews in the past did.

Ingersoll says it better than me:
"Jehovah was a believer in slavery. This is enough. Why should any civilized man worship him?..

Civilised man? Civilised man as we define him of today would be quite out of place in the uncivilised ancient world!

What types of civilised rules or laws would you pass for the ancient peoples of the world back then to abide by? Would the US constitution work there?

.He believed that man could become the property of man -- that it is right for his chosen people to deal in human flesh...He taught that the captives were the property of the captors and directed his chosen people to kill, to enslave, or to pollute <i.e. rape>."

Slaves could be set free by becoming one of them!

 

[unapologetic]

Thall shalt not do to others as to those who would war and do to you.

That was an agreement among all members of any human civilazation long before religion was created.
But some people needed an authority figure (even a fictional one) to enforce it.

Slaves could be set free by becoming one of them!

BULLSHIT. Slavery is rarely voluntary.

 

[ideologyhunter]

When you say teachings. Are you suggesting believers (Christians) are being taught to do as the ancient Israelites did?

We teach today about those passages and why they were there.

It's false to give the misleading Impression that when one says teachings, this automatically means a believer must "follow and do" what the ancient Hebrews in the past did.

God's kid says that. "For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven."
Have heaven and earth passed? Is "all accomplished"? Not according to Revelation. If "all is accomplished" means the supposed resurrection, then Jesus was saying the law would only be around for a few months. Does that sound like what he's saying?

.He believed that man could become the property of man -- that it is right for his chosen people to deal in human flesh...He taught that the captives were the property of the captors and directed his chosen people to kill, to enslave, or to pollute <i.e. rape>."

Slaves could be set free by becoming one of them!

Are you ever going to admit that Ex 21:20-21 allows for extremely brutal violent attacks on slaves? The words are very plain -- the slaver is allowed to beat his slaves to the point of death. That's immoral to most of us. Pathetic that you can't say that. When did anyone in the Bible condemn slavery as an evil practice that dehumanizes the slave and debauches the owner?
Are you ever going to admit that Lev. 25:44-6 is a description of chattel slavery, with a whole class of slaves in permanent bondage, to be passed on to the slaver's sons? It's not indentured servitude, and it's not the more qualified bondage available to fellow Israelites. That's immoral and racist to most of us. Pathetic that you can't say that. When does anyone in the Bible condemn chattel slavery?
If your point is that today God is not telling us to do these things, first of all where is the specific proof text for that position? More important, how was this ever a righteous teaching? Why would a just god ever allow it? See, you need a much higher standard than a primitive scripture. Happy Sunday.

 

[steve_bank]

I think again Learner mises or ignores hte piont.

God created the universe and had a son born of a human mother to save the world.

How are we humans supposed to pick and choose what to follow or not?

That leads to the Christian 'Chinese menu' morality form the bible. Interpret and choose for yourself.

Ignore the Leviticus dietary laws but harshly punish gays as prescribed in Leviticus.

Christians claim the bible and Jesus are the absolute morality of god and Jesus, but never actually parcel an abjurer morality from rte bible, because there is no consistent morality in the bible anywhere.

Christians say their faith says they do not have to get vaccinated, don't see that in the bible.

Christians say god hates abortion, don't see that in the bible either From what I read ancient Jews did allow abortion to a point.

Some Christians on he forum have said in response they others are not the real Christina, but I am a 'real' Christian.