Are they going to damage/hamper the March for our Lives Movement?

[Playball40]

I'm having a debate with my 24 yo daughter right now on just this issue below. She posted a shared tweet of someone complaining that the MFOL movement is getting support and positive attention while the BLM was primarily negative. But they seem ANGRY at the MFOL protesters. I said I thought it was alienating and they should instead embrace the movement and try to work together. My daughter disagrees. Do you think this type of talk ends up dividing the group? To me it seems counter productive, even though I GENUINELY understand and agree with their point. Thoughts?

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-43541179

Protesters are being accused of hypocrisy, as some ask why they didn't turn out for the Black Lives Matter movement, which was set up in 2013 to end police violence against black people and highlight the impact of gun violence in ethnic minority communities

Accusations that the weekend marches had appropriated the slogan were shared more than 3,000 times.

 

[LordKiran]

I'm having a debate with my 24 yo daughter right now on just this issue below. She posted a shared tweet of someone complaining that the MFOL movement is getting support and positive attention while the BLM was primarily negative. But they seem ANGRY at the MFOL protesters. I said I thought it was alienating and they should instead embrace the movement and try to work together. My daughter disagrees. Do you think this type of talk ends up dividing the group? To me it seems counter productive, even though I GENUINELY understand and agree with their point. Thoughts?

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-43541179

Protesters are being accused of hypocrisy, as some ask why they didn't turn out for the Black Lives Matter movement, which was set up in 2013 to end police violence against black people and highlight the impact of gun violence in ethnic minority communities

Accusations that the weekend marches had appropriated the slogan were shared more than 3,000 times.

I mean, March for our lives isn't specifically for black people. You can't expect non-blacks to automatically care about their problems, because not everyone can see how it's relevant to their lives. Everyone can get behind a general American movement though. It's basically everything I've already said on the subject.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm having a debate with my 24 yo daughter right now on just this issue below. She posted a shared tweet of someone complaining that the MFOL movement is getting support and positive attention while the BLM was primarily negative. But they seem ANGRY at the MFOL protesters. I said I thought it was alienating and they should instead embrace the movement and try to work together. My daughter disagrees. Do you think this type of talk ends up dividing the group? To me it seems counter productive, even though I GENUINELY understand and agree with their point. Thoughts?

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-43541179

I mean, March for our lives isn't specifically for black people. You can't expect non-blacks to automatically care about their problems, because not everyone can see how it's relevant to their lives. Everyone can get behind a general American movement though. It's basically everything I've already said on the subject.

As many like to point out, gun violence takes the lives of many blacks... didn't see white people walking the streets for that.

Reminds me of the Richard Pryor line about how ~"It's an epidemic" related to drug use... ~"when it affects white people".

 

[Derec]

Perhaps the negative attention #BLM is receiving has to do with their propensity to riot, loot and arson. In addition to blocking highways, bridges and rail stations.
Also, at least MFOL champions innocent victims of shootings, while #BLM is explicitly anti-police and champions criminals like Michael Brown, Freddy Grey, Alton Sterling and Stephon Clark.

 

[Playball40]

Again, I do not disagree with the 'sentiment'. I disagree with directing their anger at MFOL's and think it is counter intuitive to the BLM movement and could be damaging/divisive to both. My daughter disagrees.... but I have already seen tweets from BLM supporters saying they refuse to participate in MFOL demonstrations BECAUSE, they claim, does not include blacks or they 'stole' their agenda by using the word "lives" .

I'm having a debate with my 24 yo daughter right now on just this issue below. She posted a shared tweet of someone complaining that the MFOL movement is getting support and positive attention while the BLM was primarily negative. But they seem ANGRY at the MFOL protesters. I said I thought it was alienating and they should instead embrace the movement and try to work together. My daughter disagrees. Do you think this type of talk ends up dividing the group? To me it seems counter productive, even though I GENUINELY understand and agree with their point. Thoughts?

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-43541179

I mean, March for our lives isn't specifically for black people. You can't expect non-blacks to automatically care about their problems, because not everyone can see how it's relevant to their lives. Everyone can get behind a general American movement though. It's basically everything I've already said on the subject.

As many like to point out, gun violence takes the lives of many blacks... didn't see white people walking the streets for that.

Reminds me of the Richard Pryor line about how ~"It's an epidemic" related to drug use... ~"when it affects white people".

 

[braces_for_impact]

One thing I liked about many in the March For Our Lives movement is that they have repeatedly recognized their privilege and made attempts to reach out and include others in the movement. In their communications, they've been quite good about recognizing that it's not just about high profile school shootings, but about gun violence that communities of color deal with every day. To me, they are two sides of the same coin. Both movements are about gun violence, but the causes of the two situations are different, and I think it's important to recognize this fact. The true test in my mind, is that, even if significant gun safety legislation were passed, that the struggle would have to continue, especially for communities of color. I would be afraid many would wash their hands and consider the problem solved when it may get better for white communities but not ones for other ethnic types.

 

[Derec]

As many like to point out, gun violence takes the lives of many blacks...

True. On a per capita basis more blacks are affected by gun violence because vast majority of such crimes are intraracial and blacks commit the a heavily disproportionate share of gun crimes. But this hasn't been the focus of #BLM. It was on blacks (mostly criminals) getting shot by police and white(ish) civilians, even though as far as interracial homicides go, twice as many blacks kill whites as whites kill blacks (according to FBI).
This is quite fitting I find:

didn't see white people walking the streets for that.

Actually there have been many white lefties protesting with and for #BLM. The fuck are you talking about?

 

[Derec]

One thing I liked about many in the March For Our Lives movement is that they have repeatedly recognized their privilege

That's actually their most annoying feature. The incessant harping on "privilege" gets old quick.

The true test in my mind, is that, even if significant gun safety legislation were passed, that the struggle would have to continue, especially for communities of color.

The problem with #BLM is that they do not even care about the high rate of gun violence in black communities. Unless they can blame whitey or police, they just don't care.

 

[Mumbles]

I'm having a debate with my 24 yo daughter right now on just this issue below. She posted a shared tweet of someone complaining that the MFOL movement is getting support and positive attention while the BLM was primarily negative. But they seem ANGRY at the MFOL protesters. I said I thought it was alienating and they should instead embrace the movement and try to work together. My daughter disagrees. Do you think this type of talk ends up dividing the group? To me it seems counter productive, even though I GENUINELY understand and agree with their point. Thoughts?

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-43541179

Protesters are being accused of hypocrisy, as some ask why they didn't turn out for the Black Lives Matter movement, which was set up in 2013 to end police violence against black people and highlight the impact of gun violence in ethnic minority communities

Accusations that the weekend marches had appropriated the slogan were shared more than 3,000 times.

WHo are we discussing, exactly?

I've heard a *lot* of talk about this, but most of it has conceded that the Parkland survivors, and their organizations, had done relatively well in reaching out to BLM and other black groups that had been addressing gun violence for years. Of course, if you go on Twitter you can find just about any stance, but most major players, reasobable podcasters, protestors, and the like were quick to discuss this.

On the other hand:

I saw a *lot* of criticism for Soft Serve Killer Mike for showing up on NRA TV - and particularly when he said that anti-bullying programs were wrong. Robert Kraft's stunt flying Parkland students out, while being part of the same NFL that refuses to support Kaepernick's antiviolence efforts in any way also got much criticism.

I also saw a lot of distinction between how police treated these marches, and the outright violence they used during BLM marches - from the Ferguson siege, to the cops that attacked high school kids trying to get home in Baltimore, to the cops in Baton Rouge that went so far as to send guys in full riot gear out to arrest a single woman in a sun dress. and of course, there's the standard, "Well, the negroes were always rioting!" false stereotype (this is all I'll say about you, Derec) that we've been seeing for the past three or...hundred and fifty years. And yes, some of the anger at this did spill out into being angry at the people at the rallies, themselves, and few of the people that got that angry were asking "SO, were these people marching for Trayvon/Freddie Grey/Stephon Clark/Rekia Boyd/Hadiyah Pendleton/etc.?" But these didn't to seem to be a majority in any case - at least, not as far as I saw.

 

[Elixir]

Accusations that the weekend marches had appropriated the slogan were shared more than 3,000 times.

I'd bet the farm that more than 2000 of those were Russian trolls.'bots. Sorry for the derail... carry on.

 

[dismal]

I, for one, intend to continue to devote all my protest energies into protesting the 1%. There are just far too many of them.

 

[Derec]

I saw a *lot* of criticism for Soft Serve Killer Mike for showing up on NRA TV

Soft Serve Killer Mike?

- and particularly when he said that anti-bullying programs were wrong. Robert Kraft's stunt flying Parkland students out, while being part of the same NFL that refuses to support Kaepernick's antiviolence efforts in any way also got much criticism.

You mean Kaep's antipolice efforts?

I also saw a lot of distinction between how police treated these marches, and the outright violence they used during BLM marches - from the Ferguson siege, to the cops that attacked high school kids trying to get home in Baltimore, to the cops in Baton Rouge that went so far as to send guys in full riot gear out to arrest a single woman in a sun dress.

May I remind you that #BLMers rioted in both Ferguson and Baltimore? Not sure about Baton Rouge, but they certainly also rioted in Charlotte. You know where the armed felon was shot by police and his family insisted it was a book.

and of course, there's the standard, "Well, the negroes were always rioting!" false stereotype (this is all I'll say about you, Derec)

There were real riots in those places.

And DeRay, one of #BLM leaders, gave a lecture in support of looting.

that we've been seeing for the past three or...hundred and fifty years. And yes, some of the anger at this did spill out into being angry at the people at the rallies, themselves, and few of the people that got that angry were asking "SO, were these people marching for Trayvon/Freddie Grey/Stephon Clark/Rekia Boyd/Hadiyah Pendleton/etc.?" But these didn't to seem to be a majority in any case - at least, not as far as I saw.

I do not recall any protests for Hadiyah Pendelton. In fact, the two who murdered her sound like they'd make good #BLM cause celebres if they ever got shot by police...

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Maybe BLM just doesn't want to have to say "All lives matter"...

BTW, what does "people of color" mean anyway? Is that different from "Colored people"? Does it include all non-white people or only Black people?

When hear it I think of painters or clowns. I'm not a person of colour thanks.

 

[RavenSky]

One thing I liked about many in the March For Our Lives movement is that they have repeatedly recognized their privilege

That's actually their most annoying feature. The incessant harping on "privilege" gets old quick.

The true test in my mind, is that, even if significant gun safety legislation were passed, that the struggle would have to continue, especially for communities of color.

The problem with #BLM is that they do not even care about the high rate of gun violence in black communities. Unless they can blame whitey or police, they just don't care.

Derec, would you mind just stepping out of this thread? Please.

 

[Trausti]

That's actually their most annoying feature. The incessant harping on "privilege" gets old quick.



The problem with #BLM is that they do not even care about the high rate of gun violence in black communities. Unless they can blame whitey or police, they just don't care.

Derec, would you mind just stepping out of this thread? Please.

He's not wrong.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

That's actually their most annoying feature. The incessant harping on "privilege" gets old quick.



The problem with #BLM is that they do not even care about the high rate of gun violence in black communities. Unless they can blame whitey or police, they just don't care.

Derec, would you mind just stepping out of this thread? Please.

He's not wrong.

They don't want to hear it though.

 

[RavenSky]

One thing I liked about many in the March For Our Lives movement is that they have repeatedly recognized their privilege and made attempts to reach out and include others in the movement. In their communications, they've been quite good about recognizing that it's not just about high profile school shootings, but about gun violence that communities of color deal with every day. To me, they are two sides of the same coin. Both movements are about gun violence, but the causes of the two situations are different, and I think it's important to recognize this fact. The true test in my mind, is that, even if significant gun safety legislation were passed, that the struggle would have to continue, especially for communities of color. I would be afraid many would wash their hands and consider the problem solved when it may get better for white communities but not ones for other ethnic types.

^^^ You did a good of presenting most of my thoughts here. I am very very happy to see the effort the Parkland survivors have put into being inclusive and reaching out to other communities affected by gun violence. I love that they are straight up acknowledging their white privilege, and using that acknowledgement to shine a spotlight on the "every day" gun violence, too.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Is there a #StudentLivesMatter hashtag going?

 

[RavenSky]

WHo are we discussing, exactly?

I've heard a *lot* of talk about this, but most of it has conceded that the Parkland survivors, and their organizations, had done relatively well in reaching out to BLM and other black groups that had been addressing gun violence for years. Of course, if you go on Twitter you can find just about any stance, but most major players, reasobable podcasters, protestors, and the like were quick to discuss this.

On the other hand:

I saw a *lot* of criticism for Killer Mike for showing up on NRA TV - and particularly when he said that anti-bullying programs were wrong.

I saw quite a bit of this, too

Robert Kraft's stunt flying Parkland students out, while being part of the same NFL that refuses to support Kaepernick's antiviolence efforts in any way also got much criticism.

Didn't see this one, but it makes sense

I also saw a lot of distinction between how police treated these marches, and the outright violence they used during BLM marches - from the Ferguson siege, to the cops that attacked high school kids trying to get home in Baltimore, to the cops in Baton Rouge that went so far as to send guys in full riot gear out to arrest a single woman in a sun dress. and of course, there's the standard, "Well, the negroes were always rioting!" false stereotype (this is all I'll say about you, Derec) that we've been seeing for the past three or...hundred and fifty years.

This was glaringly obvious, and should be viewed with anger. Not at the protestors, but at the double-standards from the police. This, along with the politicians and NRA falling all over themselves to meet with the Parkland students, makes the white privilege glaringly obvious.

And yes, some of the anger at this did spill out into being angry at the people at the rallies, themselves, and few of the people that got that angry were asking "SO, were these people marching for Trayvon/Freddie Grey/Stephon Clark/Rekia Boyd/Hadiyah Pendleton/etc.?" But these didn't to seem to be a majority in any case - at least, not as far as I saw.

I can understand anger given the massive amounts of media coverage (almost all of it positive), police support, political support - but have to agree with Playball that misdirected anger is counter-productive.

As for who might have marched in earlier BLM demonstrations? Probably not the Parkland kids. They are barely old enough to be marching for their own lives now.

But a lot of us white people did, in fact, march with #BLM for Trayvon/Freddie Grey/Stephon Clark/Rekia Boyd/Hadiyah Pendleton/etc. - just like Saturday's march included people of color who didn't know or lose anyone in the Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting. Anyone who is angry might want to actually ask first.

 

[Trausti]

He's not wrong.

They don't want to hear it though.

As of March 19 this year, 100 people were killed in Chicago. Mostly black victims. Seems the Parkland shooting matters to the media because the perpetrator is white. If a white guy started shooting up Chicago neighborhoods, there'd be calls for a national conversation. Black perp? Shut your mouth.