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How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Estonian regime apparently got the message (from Kremlin) and started to distance themselves from the Green Goblin in Kiev claims about Russia invading Baltic States. Who would have thought that. We will look if Regime stops using NATO space for attacks on Russia.
 
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barbos said:
So Ursuala defeated Hungary but lost Bulgaria. "Orban" just won parliamentary elections there.
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Probably more a Fico than an Orban.
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Fico is way more Orban than you think, he regularly visits May 9 celebration in Moscow and nazy regime in Baltic states regularly ban his flights over their space (unlike ukro-nazi drones)
 
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Harry Bosch said:
barbos said:
TV and credit cards said:
A Mother of an Invention.
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Ukro-nazi invented bullshitting.
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This must be quite traumatic for you. You keep underestimating Ukraine. Yet everyone facing drone threats wants their playbook. They have become the world's experts. Very well-paid experts! Results speak louder than propaganda.
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Yeah, I underestimate their ability to bullshit you into believing that they are winning.
They are the world expert at bullshiting
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Yeah, you suck at bullshitting. You must be writhing with jealousy. It has been YEARS and you still refuse to offer a single rational excuse for your decision to describe the Ukranians as "Nazis" that doesn't apply doubly so to Russia. Your bullshit game is so WEAK.

Nevermind your "Nazi" nonsense, you have NEVER justified any part of this illegal invasion as anything other than greedy, violent, Russian imperialism.

Newsflash, Barbos, your paranoia and delusions don't justify anything other than how much you deserve to be institutionalized. You are proudly pathological.
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It's neither paranoia nor delusions. He's just parroting what Putin tells him. Barbos mistake is whom he choses to trust. Why he choses to trust, I think is more a result of stupidity rather than anything pathological.

Putin's Nazi lie is nothing but a wafer thin casus belli. Reminds me of Hitler dressing up some guys in Polish uniforms and shooting at German soldiers kicking off WW2. Everyone, with half a brain, could see through it at the time. Yes, even in Germany. Only the dumbest Germans fell for the German propaganda. It's the same deal here with Nazi Ukranians.

Especially in Russia, they must, more than anywhere else, understand the Ukranian support for Hitler during WW2 and the Nazi volonteers connection to current Ukranian nationalism and national indipendence movement. So especially Barbos has even less of an excuse falling for Putins lies, IMHO
 
barbos said:
Estonian regime apparently got the message (from Kremlin) and started to distance themselves from the Green Goblin in Kiev claims about Russia invading Baltic States. Who would have thought that. We will look if Regime stops using NATO space for attacks on Russia.
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The pedophiles on your side attacks Ukraine from Belarus nearly every day. Sorry, but NATO controls Nato air space and will decide what is allowed in Nato air space.
 
Ukraine's Unmanned Systems Online Killboard
Kill Russians. Take out their equipment. Earn points for more drones and equipment.
Individual drone units can then order what they need for their particular situation in a Amazon-like decentralized marketplace.
Further, drone units can post up what they need and manufacturers can work to provide it. Drone units then test and evaluate this new equipment/modifications in the field and provide feedback so all know what works and what doesn't. Drone units are getting requests filled in as little as a week. This is how it works when designers, manufacturers, and operators all work together.
Ukrainians have brought best business practices to the battlefield. They are scary good at what they are doing. For better and for worse, they have made a game of it. Necessity will do that. General Petraeus says if Ukraine can market this quickly, they will become the arsenal of democracy.
I cannot overstate the importance of unmanned forces. It truly does need to be it's own force under the DoD. It is antiquating our current military capabilities and we had better move fast. This Unmanned Air Force needs fast procurement from any and all companies that can provide, immediate software and hardware updates, and basic training for operators that have nothing to do with traditional boot camp.

The more I'm reading about this the more it looks like Ukraine doesn't just have the cards to play, it looks like they've got the winning hand. They are teaching the world the future of warfare.

Can Russia respond with such efficiency? Not a fucking chance. Russia's government is such an entrenched kleptocracy, that any attempt to break the corrupt relationship with those that provide for Russia's military would in my opinion bring about the collapse of the government. Moreover, the manufacturing just isn't there, not on this level, not at this pace, and not with this much international support. And remember, no small percentage of Russia's talent hauled ass out of the country in the early days of the war. So that's come back to bit them in the ass.

All this has greatly improved Ukraine's performance in the field, creating kill zones where Russians fear to tread. Did you know there was a Russian spring offensive? Yeah, me neither. I haven't been keeping up but I guess it failed spectacularly. What I'm reading now is Russia can no longer press into service the numbers they are losing in the field. That's a problem. Putin will have some big decisions to make.

Fresh off the YouTube yesterday evening, here General Petraeus speaks in detail on just what Ukraine is doing to win this war. He starts in specifically about Ukraine at about 13:40 but it's all worth a listen.
 
Harry Bosch said:
barbos said:
Estonian regime apparently got the message (from Kremlin) and started to distance themselves from the Green Goblin in Kiev claims about Russia invading Baltic States. Who would have thought that. We will look if Regime stops using NATO space for attacks on Russia.
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The pedophiles on your side attacks Ukraine from Belarus nearly every day.
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That's a lie.
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Sorry, but NATO controls Nato air space and will decide what is allowed in Nato air space.
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As long as it stays In NATO space. The moment it enters russian space unauthorized that becomes an attack.
Russia has a right to strike Estonia, according to the internatiinal law that is.
Moreover, Russia has a right to strike EU countries which host "Ukrainian" drone manufacturing.
By the way can your retarded imbecilic brain connect the dots and conclude that the reason why ukrainian regime moved all their drone manufacturing because Russian idiot subhumans air strikes made it unfeasible ?
so much for can Russia respond with such efficiency?
 
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Now, to shut down this ukraininan experts bullshit you keep throwing.
Both side were experimenting with crashing into each other drones.
It is pretty effective against heavy FPV drones such as ukrainian Baba-Yaga.
Much less effective against original (propeller driven) Geranium. Success rate is about 10%. It requires highly skilled human operator too.
Moreover, when it started to happen russian subhuman engineers put an automatic camera and programmed it to conduct evasive maneuvers when it detects ukro-nazy drones. Also, they changed flight profile to make interception less likely.
But it's not very relevant because later version of geranium drones use jet engines which make interception by slow moving FPV drone pretty much impossible. Latest version of Geranium (V5) does not even look like original shaheed, it looks like an ordinary cruise missile with very small wing surface (thanks to higher speed)
Also, Russia launches unarmed (!!!) geranium decoys. which cost almost nothing because they have no electronics and serve only to make nazi regime to waste ammo. So these idiots hit empty planes. Ukro-nazi used few of these to false-flag Poland. They should vave put self-destruct charge into them.

Moreover, ukrainian propagandists were caught with their pants down when they tried to use the video of Russian anti-drone drone as Ukrainian.
These anti-drone drones make sense for Russia because ukro-nazis are still using slow speed propeller driven drones for strikes inside Russia.

Uktro-nazi are bullshitting Arabs with their anti-drones. they are at best 10% efficient against original shaheed.
Russians told iranians everything.
 
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TV and credit cards said:
I cannot overstate the importance of unmanned forces. It truly does need to be it's own force under the DoD. It is antiquating our current military capabilities and we had better move fast. This Unmanned Air Force needs fast procurement from any and all companies that can provide, immediate software and hardware updates, and basic training for operators that have nothing to do with traditional boot camp.
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I concur, but the US is historically amongst the slowest to react to such necessary structural shifts.

Most developed countries decided to have an Airforce as a military branch entirely separate from their Army during WWI; The US didn't make the change until 1947, having very gradually adjusted the relationship between air and ground forces in the period 1918-20, and then again in 1941; Unlike the vast majority of their allies and enemies, the US still had the word "Army" in the name of their Air Forces throughout WWII.

Of course, in more recent times the US did split off the Space Force from the Airforce; But that was more evidence that the President has a mental age in single digits than it was that space warfare is sufficiently different from air warfare as to justify the split.

Maybe the Space Force (which already has a focus on uncrewed missions) could usefully be rebranded as the US Space and Uncrewed Systems Force?
 
barbos said:
Russia has a right to strike EU countries which host "Ukrainian" drone manufacturing.
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I am seeing this particular propaganda claim popping up everywhere at the moment. It is, of course, in direct contradiction of both international law and long established practice, and could only be even vaguely justified in the context of a World War.

It also notably talks of striking countries, not just those factories or facilities therein that build drones or drone components (and most drone components are also components of non-military technologies).

It's a naked attempt to justify further unjustifiable Russian aggression, and is clearly coming direct from the Kremlin. Those who parrot it online are stooges and dupes, and can go fuck themselves.
 
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Harry Bosch said:
But if you listen to current Russian dogma, they want the Baltics and Ukraine. Finland, Hungary and Poland. They want east Germany
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They want the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact nations. They want to turn the clock back to 1989. When they were an actual world power, rather than a pathetic criminal laughing stock.
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Bullshit, I want the whole Europe, Africa and India, Latin America too.
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Of course you do because you're just as pathological as your boss.
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I am way more pathological than my boss.
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I dunno. That’s a pretty high mountain. Now, Trump? Trump has him beat because he’s pathological but also batshit crazy.
 
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I am seeing this particular propaganda claim popping up everywhere at the moment. It is, of course, in direct contradiction of both international law and long established practice, and could only be even vaguely justified in the context of a World War.
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This argument has been popping (in the western media) since the beginning of illegal war of aggression started by Obama and then Biden.
According to the intentional law Russia has a right to attack and Estonian oil terminals.
Putin is just too soft/indecisive and full of hope for the west. He should have observed all the red lines western scumbags themselves proclaimed and then crossed.
 
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